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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 11:44:05 GMT -6
I'm looking for a decent E-drum kit but it's not as easy as one would think. I've had an Alesis DM? That fell to pieces and the kick drum constantly pushed back (it didn't stick), I upgraded to a Drumit 5 (MK2) years back and had quite a few issues with the brain (not saving properly, plug leak, HH broke, sensitivity at full not registering the kick correctly and it's a little awkwardly positioned for a tall player).
I ended up getting a few Roland pads to replace some of the Drumit HW (which worked far better), whilst I really like the sound of the Drumit brain the kit as a whole was a little meh (especially for the price). Although I've never played an E-drum kit that could replace a proper kit.!
I've been looking at either the Roland TD-25 or TD-17KVX, they're far from the most realistic sounding kit I've used (the Drumit-5 had better zone response, for e.g. the snare naturally variated as opposed to the Roland's that seem to keep machine like consistency).
Although Roland do decent hardware and they work effortlessly with most VST's. There's a few new options on the market if I want to suck it up, the ATV aD5 / Pearl mimic (with custom HW) or Pearl e/merge. I could try and replace all the 2Box HW with better Roland stuff as well.!
What do you think?
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 16, 2019 14:10:38 GMT -6
If roland is good enuff for Ragan, they are good enuff for me ! If you are interested in the 17 let me know there was a new one, 1 year old being sold locally from a store, I think it was the floor model, hardly played, cus it’s really a real drum shop (Dave’s Drums in Ottawa) for a little more $1,000 cdn. Seemed pretty nice to me:)
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Post by ragan on Mar 16, 2019 14:49:43 GMT -6
I use the TD25KV, and love it, but I'm just using it to capture a performance with which to run SD3. The stock Roland sounds, while not terrible, are not something I would use on a record.
Damn fun to play though and when you pair it with SD3, it's kind of mind-blowing what you can do.
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Post by stratboy on Mar 16, 2019 15:07:27 GMT -6
I use the TD25KV, and love it, but I'm just using it to capture a performance with which to run SD3. The stock Roland sounds, while not terrible, are not something I would use on a record. Damn fun to play though and when you pair it with SD3, it's kind of mind-blowing what you can do. Are you capturing in MIDI?
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Mar 16, 2019 15:22:42 GMT -6
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Post by ragan on Mar 16, 2019 15:22:42 GMT -6
I use the TD25KV, and love it, but I'm just using it to capture a performance with which to run SD3. The stock Roland sounds, while not terrible, are not something I would use on a record. Damn fun to play though and when you pair it with SD3, it's kind of mind-blowing what you can do. Are you capturing in MIDI? Yeah.
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Post by aremos on Mar 16, 2019 15:40:38 GMT -6
Any ROLAND. And you can get up (down) to a TD-12 in the used market for great value. Sounds are actually great, specially if you know how to process them after.
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Post by wiz on Mar 16, 2019 16:09:25 GMT -6
Are you capturing in MIDI? Yeah. How is the velocity variance during capture vs playing back sd3 sounds going? Are you you having to do much editing of midi velocity to get on par control vs capturing an acoustic kit and then compressing the audio? This was always one of the biggest drawbacks of using captured midi via a e kit and then using 3rd party sounds and trying to get a compatible result... Could you please post up a midi track of the drums, and the audio out of the Roland and the audio out of sd3 so I could compare them? Just a normal song please, not a 3 min solo LOL cheers Wiz
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 16:23:09 GMT -6
I use the TD25KV, and love it, but I'm just using it to capture a performance with which to run SD3. The stock Roland sounds, while not terrible, are not something I would use on a record. Damn fun to play though and when you pair it with SD3, it's kind of mind-blowing what you can do. Gotta admit the DrumTec upgraded TD-17 sounds pretty sweet, one issue I have with midi / audio return is latency and I got the drummit to sort that problem out (as they're real samples on the brain like a VST (they hand out Drumagog I believe as a sample lib)). It has multi I/O as well for recording purposes. I suppose midi would be better in case you're on a good take but you mess up.
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Post by ragan on Mar 16, 2019 16:29:01 GMT -6
How is the velocity variance during capture vs playing back sd3 sounds going? Are you you having to do much editing of midi velocity to get on par control vs capturing an acoustic kit and then compressing the audio? This was always one of the biggest drawbacks of using captured midi via a e kit and then using 3rd party sounds and trying to get a compatible result... Could you please post up a midi track of the drums, and the audio out of the Roland and the audio out of sd3 so I could compare them? Just a normal song please, not a 3 min solo LOL cheers Wiz If I understand the question, you're asking how does the recorded MIDI velocity, as played back through SD3, compare to the experience of monitoring the Roland sounds and thus playing to those sounds' sensitivities/behaviors? If that is the question, I'd say it's quite good. SD3 has a preset for the TD25KV (and a couple dozen other modules) and it's quite good out of the gate. If I end up tweaking much of anything, it's sometimes taking away the very top of the dynamic range on the snare and sometimes modifying a hi-hat variation that didn't translate the way I wanted it to. I'm not having to do that much editing though. My good buddy bought the same setup and he's spent more time setting up his settings in SD3 and in the Roland module and he's got his pretty much set and forget. I changed a couple curves in the Roland module but that's it. As for posting that comparison, I'd love to but I just won't have time anytime soon I'm afraid. I get a week off from school but that's already pretty filled up with stuff. Maybe down the road I can do it though. I'd be happy to given time.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 16, 2019 16:45:47 GMT -6
Drummer dude, can sure play !!
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Post by wiz on Mar 16, 2019 16:49:28 GMT -6
How is the velocity variance during capture vs playing back sd3 sounds going? Are you you having to do much editing of midi velocity to get on par control vs capturing an acoustic kit and then compressing the audio? This was always one of the biggest drawbacks of using captured midi via a e kit and then using 3rd party sounds and trying to get a compatible result... Could you please post up a midi track of the drums, and the audio out of the Roland and the audio out of sd3 so I could compare them? Just a normal song please, not a 3 min solo LOL cheers Wiz If I understand the question, you're asking how does the recorded MIDI velocity, as played back through SD3, compare to the experience of monitoring the Roland sounds and thus playing to those sounds' sensitivities/behaviors? If that is the question, I'd say it's quite good. SD3 has a preset for the TD25KV (and a couple dozen other modules) and it's quite good out of the gate. If I end up tweaking much of anything, it's sometimes taking away the very top of the dynamic range on the snare and sometimes modifying a hi-hat variation that didn't translate the way I wanted it to. I'm not having to do that much editing though. My good buddy bought the same setup and he's spent more time setting up his settings in SD3 and in the Roland module and he's got his pretty much set and forget. I changed a couple curves in the Roland module but that's it. As for posting that comparison, I'd love to but I just won't have time anytime soon I'm afraid. I get a week off from school but that's already pretty filled up with stuff. Maybe down the road I can do it though. I'd be happy to given time. Thanks when you have time it would be great. That way I can tell if it will be suitable for me. If I can get the raw midi as captured from the roland. The roland sounds played by that midi, so I can hear how it works, and then plug that midi into a Drum Software like SD3, and see how it would fare... would really appreciate it. So what I mean is. Just play along to one of the songs you have already done, record the roland's stereo outs, and the midi as you lay it down. Then just run off a track of the SD3 drums, done with that midi, dont do any editing. You may already have everything? or even if you can just send me the midi and the SD3 audio with the midi unedited, so you can just use what you already have? Then zip up the two audio files and the midi and put it up for me to download thanks bud Wiz
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 16:50:07 GMT -6
Drummer dude, can sure play !! He sure can, that Sonor Phonic kit (number 8) sounds cracking as well. Exactly my sorta drum sound.!
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