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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 13, 2019 8:35:49 GMT -6
Hi guys, my great friend the artist James A. Willis shot footage for my first video. It's a track from my new album. When he uploaded a first rough cut to youtube, the volume is around half of a normal video volume. I sent him a WAV file, he dropped it into the video and synced. I'm trying to figure out why this is happening. I don't want to present a video this way and need help figuring it out. I've included my original audio track, the video I'm referring to, and two reference videos. One is the clearest, loudest thing I've ever heard on youtube, and the other is just another regular video from a relatively unknown artist with typical volume levels. Please help me figure this out, thanks.
Here's the audio I sent, I just uploaded it to Soundcloud
https%3A//soundcloud.com/martin-john-butler/what-the-heart-only-knows-video-version
This is the video we're still editing, it's a rough cut, not quite ready for public consumption yet.
For reference, here's are two tracks. The first has the best sound I've ever heard on youtube. Really, it's amazing, jump to :50 seconds to hear it at full speed, there's a long intro. It's Peter Bradley Adams and I think it was produced by Vance Powell, but I'm not certain:
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 13, 2019 8:39:29 GMT -6
All the sites use different compression and often different formats, it's difficult to compare across platform. You might get better YT results if you uploaded a 16 bit track ?
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Post by rob61 on Mar 13, 2019 8:43:59 GMT -6
Audio is "re-rendered" during output of the final video. Therefore, the audio mixer in the video rendering needs to be optimized. I suspect he didn't have unity gain on your audio, which might be a default on his non-linear editor. You can usually apply the same plug-in tools (ie limiter) on the output to achieve a louder audio output. Also, there are many settings for the audio format embedded within the video. But what you demonstrated on the other videos can be easly achieved.
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Post by Ward on Mar 13, 2019 8:45:58 GMT -6
Audio is "re-rendered" during output of the final video. Therefore, the audio mixer in the video rendering needs to be optimized. I suspect he didn't have unity gain on your audio, which might be a default on his non-linear editor. You can usually apply the same plug-in tools (ie limiter) on the output to achieve a louder audio output. Also, there are many settings for the audio format embedded within the video. But what you demonstrated on the other videos can be easly achieved. To that point, you want to supply the video with an audio track that is SLAMMED in mastering. Prevents further audio destruction from the youtube bots |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 13, 2019 9:03:50 GMT -6
Thanks guys. Yes, it was properly mastered and I sent a 16 bit track, (the one you hear on Soundcloud).
rob61 is probably right. We'll figure it out, but I'll need to work with James on it, and he's in Nashville now and I'm in NY, so it's not so easy.
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Post by stormymondays on Mar 13, 2019 9:42:02 GMT -6
If he’s used to do TV work, the standards never allow for anything close to 0 dBFS. I usually have to supply audio peaking at -8 or -10 dBFS. Tell him to not turn audio down, or limit it, or any processing at all.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 13, 2019 9:58:15 GMT -6
Will do, thanks. There's probably some automatic setting in his system, so we'll have to take a closer look at it. I'm just glad to know it wasn't something youtube was doing to my audio.
James is a well known painter. He does work in all kinds of mediums though, so it's different from working with a video production company.
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Post by popmann on Mar 13, 2019 16:20:19 GMT -6
Its possible that your audio master is slammed. Youtube and Apple Music will both “fix that” for you, by turning it down 10db or more. Soundcloud is a holdout that goes out full scale. I dont even click on them in the studio. Give me a soundclound link and I have to turn my digital volume way down....which is less of an issue on Windows, where Os audio and DAW audio isnt related. Regardless.
Welcome to the only positive thing to ever come from streaming.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 13, 2019 16:29:46 GMT -6
Thanks Popmann. I think it's something to do with my friends software affecting the volume. I have other things on youtube and they sound fine. Also, I don't really compress to death to get the maximum volume and lose all dynamics. I just try to get in the ballpark of most videos I like.He's been busy with other things, but we'll sort it out. It's probably something to do with my friend''s settings. I'm not sure which editing system he's using, but it isn't Final Cut or iMovie.
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