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Post by lcr on Mar 9, 2019 8:07:58 GMT -6
So Im considering setting my “mixroom” up at an angle... it’s your typical spare bedrooom, 11x12? It’s a bottom end nightmare. Anyone taken a room such as this and gained better results positioning at an angle? I here its the best thing to do in my situation. I have some traps, etc. which I assume I would slightly adjust. Thoughts anyone?
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 9, 2019 8:36:15 GMT -6
Is it? Why wouldn’t building in like an 8-12 inch absorber across the whole back wall, 2 corner bass traps at front and mid band absorbers at first reflection points be better?
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Post by M57 on Mar 9, 2019 9:31:46 GMT -6
Is it? Why wouldn’t building in like an 8-12 inch absorber across the whole back wall, 2 corner bass traps at front and mid band absorbers at first reflection points be better? Why not do both? That's what I do. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 9, 2019 9:44:56 GMT -6
How does asymitry help?
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Post by lcr on Mar 9, 2019 9:52:38 GMT -6
Is it? Why wouldn’t building in like an 8-12 inch absorber across the whole back wall, 2 corner bass traps at front and mid band absorbers at first reflection points be better? Why not do both? That's what I do. You find it much better? |
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Post by svart on Mar 9, 2019 11:12:19 GMT -6
Lessens comb filtering issues if the reflections aren't 180 degrees from the source. It's why professionally built studios have odd angled walls and ceilings, because parallel walls can easily build up these strange room modes. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 9, 2019 12:11:37 GMT -6
Oh I understand the pro build idea but wouldn’t setting up your system asymmetrically in a small room, just compromise your stereo balance to begin with?
Seems to me you solve ? one problem and create another?
Why not set up symmetrically and treat the room and use small monitors and low volumes ?
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Post by drbill on Mar 9, 2019 12:16:04 GMT -6
For mixing - tracking is a slightly different approach IMO :
Yes. Of course you see angled and non parallel walls in studio's, but they ARE symmetrical if at all possible. For the very reason kcatthedog mentioned. Your stereo balances are going to get pretty warped with an asymmetrical room.
If possible, I'd personally suggest setting up symetrically, and lessening the parallelism of your room with treatment.
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 9, 2019 14:54:07 GMT -6
I come from the Wes Lachot school of design, and Wes is big on relative symmetry in control rooms. He's also big on splayed walls in control rooms to create a RFZ, at least if the room is 20' deep or more. Ideally, tracking spaces are different altogether, though a control room with splayed walls can sound perfectly acceptable for tracking.
One of the things I think Ethan Winer actually gets right is this: When the room is really small, lessening parallelism is kind of a diminishing return, because you're just going to lose even more square footage and cubic volume. In a small room, it's best to treat with as deep a set of absorbers as is feasible, and with as many as is feasible. It will make things sound pretty dead, but a lively small room that sounds decent is very difficult to achieve.
But hey, you gotta do what you gotta do.
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Post by stratboy on Mar 9, 2019 15:59:02 GMT -6
My room is approx 20x24 with an 8’ ceiling. Mix position faces into the corner and it works really really well. The design was done by Acoustics First, Richmond VA. That said, I don’t recommend it for everyone. Here’s why: the biggest benefit has been scattering reflections, not bass management. I managed bass by building a lot of closets with sliding doors around the perimeter of the room. These make great, tunable bass traps. I also have a large trap in the corner between the monitors. My mastering engineer likes the low end in my mixes, FWIW, but it takes a big room to do that, which the OP doesn’t have. I’d put up a photo, but I have yet to successfully put a picture in one of my posts 😔
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 9, 2019 16:39:21 GMT -6
My room is approx 20x24 with an 8’ ceiling. Mix position faces into the corner and it works really really well. The design was done by Acoustics First, Richmond VA. That said, I don’t recommend it for everyone. Here’s why: the biggest benefit has been scattering reflections, not bass management. I managed bass by building a lot of closets with sliding doors around the perimeter of the room. These make great, tunable bass traps. I also have a large trap in the corner between the monitors. My mastering engineer likes the low end in my mixes, FWIW, but it takes a big room to do that, which the OP doesn’t have. I’d put up a photo, but I have yet to successfully put a picture in one of my posts 😔 Great example of how things can really work out well in practice, even if they don't look like the "traditional" answers on paper. |
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Post by lcr on Mar 9, 2019 17:24:05 GMT -6
I guess Im staying on the HD650’s.
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Post by stratboy on Mar 9, 2019 18:51:37 GMT -6
I guess Im staying on the HD650’s. I hope my post didn’t discourage you! There are acoustics suppliers who will do room calculations for you. There are books and programs and consultants and friends here to help. I would analyze what it might take in terms of trapping to get a reasonable bass response and then decide. You can do all that on paper. Changing the angle could pay off in terms of diffraction; I just wanted to share my experience that it probably wouldn’t do anything for the bass, in and of itself. |
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Post by ericn on Mar 9, 2019 18:55:52 GMT -6
Give Headback a shout, better to have some solid advice before putting forth any time money or effort.
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Post by M57 on Mar 9, 2019 20:01:43 GMT -6
Why not do both? That's what I do. You find it much better? I can't say that I notice much of a difference. The roof line is part of the ceiling so there's a bit of extra asymmetry built into the space. I have 8 foot ceilings, but the room is quite large and not just a rectangle, so I wasn't really expecting there to be much in the way of a noticeable difference. I have to admit it's probably as much about aesthetics as anything else. |
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Post by svart on Mar 11, 2019 9:15:25 GMT -6
For mixing - tracking is a slightly different approach IMO : Yes. Of course you see angled and non parallel walls in studio's, but they ARE symmetrical if at all possible. For the very reason kcatthedog mentioned. Your stereo balances are going to get pretty warped with an asymmetrical room. If possible, I'd personally suggest setting up symetrically, and lessening the parallelism of your room with treatment. Understood, but he asked why you would use it, and I answered his question directly. The OP didn't say that he was using asymmetry, that's what Kcat said. |
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Post by drbill on Mar 11, 2019 10:35:49 GMT -6
For mixing - tracking is a slightly different approach IMO : Yes. Of course you see angled and non parallel walls in studio's, but they ARE symmetrical if at all possible. For the very reason kcatthedog mentioned. Your stereo balances are going to get pretty warped with an asymmetrical room. If possible, I'd personally suggest setting up symetrically, and lessening the parallelism of your room with treatment. Understood, but he asked why you would use it, and I answered his question directly. The OP didn't say that he was using asymmetry, that's what Kcat said. Understood. <thumbsup> |
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