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Post by jeromemason on Feb 26, 2019 14:04:27 GMT -6
I've got a session this weekend and I was asked to produce this record, so kind of out of the normal for me I mix a lot from this producer and one thing I always felt like I wanted was some mics that grabbed just the crashes and ride. Only thing is I don't want hardly any of the kit in them if possible, so is there any decent pencils out there for this? And inexpensive, not cheap haha. Man I haven't been in the big captains chair in a while, should be fun 8)
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Post by notneeson on Feb 26, 2019 14:21:52 GMT -6
Not pencils, but I do like m160s for getting in closer on cymbals, FWIW.
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Post by sirthought on Feb 26, 2019 16:20:21 GMT -6
If you have some figure 8 mics you might be able to position for more cymbal and less kit. Depends on how they are set up.
Otherwise I'd look for anything supercardioid. EV RE-11 is something I try on hi hats sometimes for that reason. Oktava MC-012 with hyper/super cardioid capsule is affordable and sounds good.
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Post by mulmany on Feb 26, 2019 19:24:39 GMT -6
Try under cymbal mics. I never really use them... Once for ride.
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Post by Blackdawg on Feb 26, 2019 19:55:16 GMT -6
Stuff an omni under it or just about anything point right at the bell or angle it out for different sizzle tones.
Choose your mic wisely. Cymbals have a freq response of sub 100-gods know what. And cheap diaphrams will not make it sound good. A ribbon would be a nice choice if it can handle the SPL.
Otherwise, KM185, DPA4011a
Best OH for cymbal sound wise i've heard is DPA4006s actually...great toms too.
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Post by EmRR on Feb 26, 2019 20:12:50 GMT -6
I don't understand this drum technique at all! : )
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Post by drbill on Feb 26, 2019 22:07:08 GMT -6
Neumann 100 series with the 50 cap. I think that's the right number. Its hyper card, and really the best of that series which you can find reasonably prices, but was SUPER expensive when new.
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Post by hadaja on Feb 26, 2019 22:59:52 GMT -6
Beyer mc930 are hyper cardioid,
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Post by johneppstein on Feb 27, 2019 0:13:55 GMT -6
Beyer M-160s are hypercardioid ribbon mics with a special ribbon design that can take pretty high SPL.
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Post by Ward on Feb 27, 2019 8:17:21 GMT -6
Beyer mc930 are hyper cardioid, And they sound AMAZING
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Post by drbill on Feb 27, 2019 9:55:37 GMT -6
Beyer mc930 are hyper cardioid, And they sound AMAZING Hmmmm... Didn't realize they were hypers. Maybe that's why I never got along well with them on OH. Normally, I'm heading the exact opposite of what Jerome is after. I want my OH to have a big, full, entire kit sound. Then - I'll use the close mics to balance and add some beef, and some room mics to define the size. I never got on well with the mc930's although I must admit I've never had them in a room that I owned - only on visits to other studios....
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Post by Ward on Feb 27, 2019 11:21:57 GMT -6
Hmmmm... Didn't realize they were hypers. Maybe that's why I never got along well with them on OH. Normally, I'm heading the exact opposite of what Jerome is after. I want my OH to have a big, full, entire kit sound. Then - I'll use the close mics to balance and add some beef, and some room mics to define the size. I never got on well with the mc930's although I must admit I've never had them in a room that I owned - only on visits to other studios.... They're not Hypers. They're supers at best. But I knew what the OP meant... narrower than most (wide) cardioid SDCs.
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Post by Blackdawg on Feb 27, 2019 12:35:28 GMT -6
Hmmmm... Didn't realize they were hypers. Maybe that's why I never got along well with them on OH. Normally, I'm heading the exact opposite of what Jerome is after. I want my OH to have a big, full, entire kit sound. Then - I'll use the close mics to balance and add some beef, and some room mics to define the size. I never got on well with the mc930's although I must admit I've never had them in a room that I owned - only on visits to other studios.... You're not alone. I've tried the m930s too, thought they were awful sounding. Didn't get it.
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Post by sean on Feb 27, 2019 20:11:36 GMT -6
I think if you put a spot mic on each cymbal you’re going to run into some phase issues that might make mixing difficult. I think the only time I’ve heard of that working well was in rock productions where the cymbals and drums were recorded separately.
I would be interested to hear how using a ribbon microphone would sound placed underneath the cymbal...so the null was pointed towards the drums/other close cymbal. I’m sure it would require a lot of hi-passing but it might be interesting! Otherwise, a cheap hypercardioid would be an Oktava 012. I think I paid $90 for mine used with that cap
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Post by adamjbrass on Feb 28, 2019 12:57:15 GMT -6
Gefell M910
EDIT: oops sorry, not exactly a pencil and not exactly cheap
Still...really great for off-axis rejection though
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