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Post by hadaja on Feb 25, 2019 1:06:55 GMT -6
Stam Audio V72 2 x channel unit.
Hey Stam how accurate is the May 2019 Delivery date? Is this one getting 100% built in Chile or will it have some Chinese manufacturing aspect to it?
I asked this as if China is involved in manufacturing does that contribute to the delay of released products? Also will the supply of EF86 tubes be an issue as it was in the SA-67? I just do not particularly want to play the long game on this item. Thanks
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Post by wiz on Feb 25, 2019 1:30:31 GMT -6
I own a real V72, happy to do a comparison.
Its by far the best preamp I have ever used for acoustic guitar and vocals, and just about everything else.
Cheers
Wiz
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Post by reddirt on Feb 25, 2019 2:50:08 GMT -6
Is this just a new announcement? If it is we should all tell Joshua it's not OK; it's an insult to all of you who have been patiently waiting for other items.
Joshua,finish what you've taken money for.
Someone had to say it and I've no money outlaid .
It's like OCD to be the first to make all the legends.
Cheers, Ross
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Post by stam on Feb 25, 2019 6:10:26 GMT -6
Hey Ross
New announcements do not affect production, they do not take up our time. We simply place orders for parts which generally take 6 to 8 weeks to get here so we have everything ready to build them once we have completed previous ones
These designs I have replicated quite some time ago and have been sitting there for years.
With regards to supply and manufacturing
I have a good source of old EF86 tubes.
They will be made in Chile s have more control over manufacturing and avoid delays
Thanks
Josh
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Post by Quint on Feb 25, 2019 6:58:48 GMT -6
After everything that has happened up to this point, how can anyone be expected to believe that parts will be arriving in 6 to 8 weeks or that the V72s will be available three months from now in May?
Even if you didn't still have a huge backlog of items to get built and shipped out the door first, nothing suggests that a three month time frame from announcement to delivery is possible. C'mon, put out realistic time frames and stop teasing people with deadlines you know you can't meet. At some point, naivety just becomes untruthfulness.
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Post by stam on Feb 25, 2019 7:03:21 GMT -6
Well, that is the estimated date.
I am not down with giving unrealistic shipping times and having taken into account all factors we estimate these to be ready the forth week of May. Our manufacturing times will be reduced by 80% doing everything in house
It is not building what takes long, it is parts to arrive and we have placed the order
Josh
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Post by Quint on Feb 25, 2019 7:13:50 GMT -6
Well, that is the estimated date. I am not down with giving unrealistic shipping times and having taken into account all factors we estimate these to be ready the forth week of May. Our manufacturing times will be reduced by 80% doing everything in house It is not building what takes long, it is parts to arrive and we have placed the order Josh Placing an order and having the part actually arrive are two different things though. Delays between ordering and actually receiving the parts has been a huge part of the problem in the past, has it not? So what is different this time? |
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Post by bram on Feb 25, 2019 9:32:35 GMT -6
Josh, there’s a pic of a REDD47 (500) on your Facebook page, are there plans to release a 2-channel version like the V72 or was that just a custom job?
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Post by jtc111 on Feb 25, 2019 10:32:08 GMT -6
I am not down with giving unrealistic shipping times... Josh So you're doing stand-up now? |
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Post by stam on Feb 25, 2019 10:48:48 GMT -6
Josh, there’s a pic of a REDD47 (500) on your Facebook page, are there plans to release a 2-channel version like the V72 or was that just a custom job? I have designed that one as well in a dual channel format. It is cheaper than the V72 has it does not use a choke and one more common tube. Probably 200 USD less than the V72 in a dual channel format That was indeed a custom job, thanks for asking |
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Post by stam on Feb 25, 2019 10:50:01 GMT -6
Well, that is the estimated date. I am not down with giving unrealistic shipping times and having taken into account all factors we estimate these to be ready the forth week of May. Our manufacturing times will be reduced by 80% doing everything in house It is not building what takes long, it is parts to arrive and we have placed the order Josh Placing an order and having the part actually arrive are two different things though. Delays between ordering and actually receiving the parts has been a huge part of the problem in the past, has it not? So what is different this time? We have changed some key suppliers that were part of the slow process and we have sent money in advance to those who take longer so we have a greater margin. You have to learn from all these things so this is avoided, it's not fun for anybody. |
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Post by jtc111 on Feb 25, 2019 11:04:00 GMT -6
So you're doing stand-up now? Still obsessed I see ... Tell you what... start giving realistic product delivery estimates based on your track record and not your best case scenario fantasies, and I'll say not another word. |
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Post by stam on Feb 25, 2019 12:52:49 GMT -6
Tell you what... start giving realistic product delivery estimates based on your track record and not your best case scenario fantasies, and I'll say not another word. I don't mind. When you can't reason with somebody it is best to ignore them. I won't be able to see further comments from you Life is too short for fighting dear Jim. |
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Post by lcr on Feb 25, 2019 12:55:32 GMT -6
I think its a no brainer Stam’s had struggles in the past (and present) with est. timeframes. He says his process (or part of) has increased 80% time wise. Let’s see how it goes. Im not saying its gonna happen, but I hope it does. It sounds like 2019 Stam will get considerably caught up on backorders, only time will tell. I think the next 8 wks will prove if the 80% is actually 80%, I hope it is for end users and for his business.
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Post by Quint on Feb 25, 2019 13:05:00 GMT -6
Placing an order and having the part actually arrive are two different things though. Delays between ordering and actually receiving the parts has been a huge part of the problem in the past, has it not? So what is different this time? We have changed some key suppliers that were part of the slow process and we have sent money in advance to those who take longer so we have a greater margin. You have to learn from all these things so this is avoided, it's not fun for anybody. Well that's good news to hear if there have in fact been legitimate changes that will cut out a lot of the delays. Still though, wouldn't it be better to wait and see how the new supply chain works out before you give out a very optimistic delivery timeline? It's been said before and I'll say it again: Promise late and deliver early. It will cut out a lot of the customer complaints. |
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Post by jtc111 on Feb 25, 2019 13:15:09 GMT -6
Tell you what... start giving realistic product delivery estimates based on your track record and not your best case scenario fantasies, and I'll say not another word. I don't mind. When you can't reason with somebody it is best to ignore them. I won't be able to see further comments from you Life is too short for fighting dear Jim. I guess my offer was unreasonable. |
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Post by jeromemason on Feb 25, 2019 15:27:23 GMT -6
Tell you what... start giving realistic product delivery estimates based on your track record and not your best case scenario fantasies, and I'll say not another word. I don't mind. When you can't reason with somebody it is best to ignore them. I won't be able to see further comments from you Life is too short for fighting dear Jim. I'm not sure that's the best way to go about something being you're a company. If I had something that I'd put my money down on, and I'd been waiting for months/years, if I saw that company posting new product after new product, with the same unrealistic delivery time (based on what has been going on so far, can't just say you've done this and that to fix it and expect people to all of a sudden believe you) I'd be screaming from the mountain tops too. Certainly by you ignoring someone that wanted to trust you puts the nail in the coffin on me ever ordering anything from you. You can ignore me as well if you'd like, but I doubt I say anything to you after that stunt. Jerome Mason |
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Post by stam on Feb 25, 2019 16:05:06 GMT -6
Could we keep this thread about the product itself ?
It would be much appreciated. Any questions about the unit I am happy to respond.
I have a couple of Telefunken's and these sound spot on to them. Sowter transformers are the only accurate replicas we have been able to find.
Thanks
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Post by stam on Feb 25, 2019 16:08:23 GMT -6
I don't mind. When you can't reason with somebody it is best to ignore them. I won't be able to see further comments from you Life is too short for fighting dear Jim. I'm not sure that's the best way to go about something being you're a company. If I had something that I'd put my money down on, and I'd been waiting for months/years, if I saw that company posting new product after new product, with the same unrealistic delivery time (based on what has been going on so far, can't just say you've done this and that to fix it and expect people to all of a sudden believe you) I'd be screaming from the mountain tops too. Certainly by you ignoring someone that wanted to trust you puts the nail in the coffin on me ever ordering anything from you. You can ignore me as well if you'd like, but I doubt I say anything to you after that stunt. Jerome Mason So you would rather me reading all his hatred and negative comments for years to come because he cancelled an order ? I don't have time for negativity and Jim has systemically posted on every Stam Audio thread and will probably continue to do so. I really struggle to understand how people can become so obsessed with a company or person and the amount of energy and time that they invest into spreading negativity every day. I refunded him and I consider the deal closed. Luckily for you there are several great audio companies you can enjoy and buy from. All the best |
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Post by reddirt on Feb 25, 2019 17:49:41 GMT -6
Josh, I reckon you genuinely don't get it; almost everybody has been on your side over a long and often vexed journey. You've been cut a hell of a lot of slack by people whose money you've been entrusted with over that time.
I'd be a little worried and seriously annoyed if it was me.
See it from their side, promise after promise broken .
Call nobody out and be the business man who shows unqualified respect to the people who are putting food on his table.
If someone calls you out for your well documented issues you suck it up and make actions (not words) to re - earn their trust and respect.
I have your SA87 which is a great all day ,every day studio mic.I would love to buy more pieces from you but I can't allow myself to be so reckless with tight funds given the present shifting sands timeframes you present and the obvious backlog you labour under.
To me, its disingenuous to say presenting new designs takes no time , of course it does however small you might feel it is in the scheme of things: to those still waiting that concentration on new stuff is hard to take.
We wish you well but you continually stretch the faith.
Cheers, Ross
P.S. please don't categorise genuine concerns as hatred, it underlines that you don't get it and demeans those who voice those concerns: again ,suck it up and produce.
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Post by stam on Feb 25, 2019 18:37:56 GMT -6
Ross
I take your comments with much respect and consideration and I am very well aware that a lot of people have been more than patient with me and If I have to spend the years to come making it up to them with great pieces with almost no profit I will do so. My clients are my family to me, I have never been driven by the financial side of things and sometimes families fight or have fall outs. I have given away probably over 50 pieces free of charge to people that needed them or that feel I failed them. I am trying my best to make things right. I genuinely DO get it.
In this particular case it is not concerns, it is hatred, via email, on here, on every thread at every turn, it is some kind of obsession towards a person because of not getting what you wanted or how you wanted it. I am not the only person on this forum to have this opinion on this particular case.
I am not interested in picking up yet another fight. I get it that some folks here don't like my internet persona and believe me to be arrogant or disrespectful but I can assure nothing is further from the true. I am regular guy with a genuine passion for what I do, nothing more and nothing less.
I am happy you are enjoying the 87 props to Danny for that design.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 25, 2019 19:12:00 GMT -6
Stam , I think there is a big difference between people just getting pissed off, due to delays and lack of clarity and hatred. I don’t get the sense that anybody here hates you, pissed off, oh ya,big time but hate, nah, not buying that.m  ! It seems to me the last year has provided a lot of learning opportunities for us all, but I think we all hope you continue to do well. I think people have invested a lot in you personally by taking the time to be frank with you here and they want you to take the constructive part of the concern to heart in continuing to improve your business practises. That’s concern for you and your dream, not hatred. My .02 cents ! |
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 25, 2019 19:51:50 GMT -6
Josh, I have a question about the unit. I just want to confirm that I read this correctly on your site. You've got 2 tubes per channel in each unit? So there are 4 tubes in the unit? Do you find the unit runs hot at all? I was surprised to see it in a 1U format. I have a Tab Funkenwerk V78M which is also 1U, but only 1 channel, so I am curious. Also, I also saw you have 500 series version. How many tubes did you fit into that circuit?
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Post by stam on Feb 25, 2019 20:24:36 GMT -6
Josh, I have a question about the unit. I just want to confirm that I read this correctly on your site. You've got 2 tubes per channel in each unit? So there are 4 tubes in the unit? Do you find the unit runs hot at all? I was surprised to see it in a 1U format. I have a Tab Funkenwerk V78M which is also 1U, but only 1 channel, so I am curious. Also, I also saw you have 500 series version. How many tubes did you fit into that circuit? That is correct Vincent 2 tubes per channel The 500 series is identical, 2 tubes and same transformers and choke I honestly have no idea how we managed to fit all of it in a 1U 500 series slot and it does not run hot at all! Proper design and ventilation works perfectly well! |
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 25, 2019 21:15:30 GMT -6
Cool.
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