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Post by Ward on Feb 19, 2019 15:11:17 GMT -6
How's this for brightness and detail and punch... Love this setup for punk / rock stuff. Fender FSR 66 Jazz > 1982 Mesa D-180 > Ampeg 7x10. Throaty as hell. Sounds like the kind of bass with shouty music! LOL . Just kidding, love the sound. As for strings . . . you know if voids the warranty if you change them, right? LOL Ground-wounds or half-wounds people!
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Post by jakeboy on Feb 19, 2019 15:45:08 GMT -6
I would suggest you contact Rumpelstiltskin Pickups. He is a member here Mister Chase and is an absolute master at winding Fender type pickups (and others too). His pickups quite simply sound vintage. Top quality and the best customer service in the biz. Trust me.
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Post by johneppstein on Feb 19, 2019 15:50:43 GMT -6
I sorta went through the thread but did I miss where we discussed strings? New strings on a session are almost mandatory for brightness and detail and punch.. On a BASS?
Tell it to James Jamerson.
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Post by jakeboy on Feb 19, 2019 15:51:04 GMT -6
I would suggest you contact Rumpelstiltskin Pickups. He is a member here Mister Chase and is an absolute master at winding pickups, Fender types especially. My best description is his pickups sound VINTAGE. Perfectly vintage. Awesome quality and the best customer service in the biz. In fact, I need him to wind me a set of 50s or 60s J-bass pickups for my Hamer CruseBass. Trust me, Rumpel ftw.
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Post by johneppstein on Feb 19, 2019 15:55:21 GMT -6
I would suggest you contact Rumpelstiltskin Pickups. He is a member here Mister Chase and is an absolute master at winding pickups, Fender types especially. My best description is his pickups sound VINTAGE. Perfectly vintage. Awesome quality and the best customer service in the biz. In fact, I need him to wind me a set of 50s or 60s J-bass pickups for my Hamer CruseBass. Trust me, Rumpel ftw. There is no such thing as a '50s Jazz Bass.
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Post by jakeboy on Feb 19, 2019 15:59:58 GMT -6
Correct of course... was introduced in 1960. I mean an early Jazz set as opposed to a 70s or later set.
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Post by notneeson on Feb 19, 2019 17:06:17 GMT -6
I sorta went through the thread but did I miss where we discussed strings? New strings on a session are almost mandatory for brightness and detail and punch.. On a BASS?
Tell it to James Jamerson.
Well, Jamerson’s tone wasn’t exactly bright and detailed. Instead, he settled for perfect. (For those songs).
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Post by popmann on Feb 19, 2019 19:32:20 GMT -6
Pino plays flats. Always flats--the Squire neck won't be able to take "real" ones...but, Continuum era, he was playing TI Flats, which are low tension. $80/set...but, you can also get Labella's Low Tensions for $40'ish--both usually stocked at Corner Music in town if you want to visit the new location.
The changing strings or not has a lot to do with that...with rounds, you get people who like the sound of new strings...and people who like them well worn...but, I've never worn a set of flats out. I've HEARD that with some frets they can eventually develop intonation issues, but...that's the thing about Jamerson--he had old steel wrap flatwounds. They weren't old round wounds. I like old rounds, but then they "go" and you're fucked...so...I have been sticking with the Cobalt Flats--they're an in between kind of thing--sound like flats meet old rounds right out of the box.
But, that's not what Kennedy should get. Pino on Continuum is all flat into SVT 8x10. Prolly took a DI to blend, too. U5? Anyway....flatwounds. With a squire neck: low tension/flexible flats.
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Post by johneppstein on Feb 19, 2019 20:06:00 GMT -6
Pino plays flats. Always flats--the Squire neck won't be able to take "real" ones...but, Continuum era, he was playing TI Flats, which are low tension. $80/set...but, you can also get Labella's Low Tensions for $40'ish--both usually stocked at Corner Music in town if you want to visit the new location. The changing strings or not has a lot to do with that...with rounds, you get people who like the sound of new strings...and people who like them well worn...but, I've never worn a set of flats out. I've HEARD that with some frets they can eventually develop intonation issues, but...that's the thing about Jamerson--he had old steel wrap flatwounds. They weren't old round wounds. I like old rounds, but then they "go" and you're fucked...so...I have been sticking with the Cobalt Flats--they're an in between kind of thing--sound like flats meet old rounds right out of the box. But, that's not what Kennedy should get. Pino on Continuum is all flat into SVT 8x10. Prolly took a DI to blend, too. U5? Anyway....flatwounds. With a squire neck: low tension/flexible flats. Why do you say a Squier neck won't be able to take "real" flatwounds? The neck is maple, just like the Fenders.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 19, 2019 21:34:51 GMT -6
I would suggest you contact Rumpelstiltskin Pickups. He is a member here Mister Chase and is an absolute master at winding Fender type pickups (and others too). His pickups quite simply sound vintage. Top quality and the best customer service in the biz. Trust me. Oh no shit! Did not know that!
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Post by guitfiddler on Feb 19, 2019 22:11:07 GMT -6
How's this for brightness and detail and punch... Love this setup for punk / rock stuff. Fender FSR 66 Jazz > 1982 Mesa D-180 > Ampeg 7x10. Throaty as hell. Sounds like the kind of bass with shouty music! LOL . Just kidding, love the sound. As for strings . . . you know if voids the warranty if you change them, right? LOL Ground-wounds or half-wounds people! Rule of thumb...never change the strings on a bass, what’s the point? Lol
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Post by jakeboy on Feb 19, 2019 22:39:48 GMT -6
I also like the Cobalt Flats on my Hamer CruiseBass....all the benefits of flats yetcan still sound like old rounds (as said above) if eq’d right.
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Post by popmann on Feb 19, 2019 23:11:25 GMT -6
I say that becuase its REALLY thin front to back and not with a modern graphite rod. Not a good combo for the railroad ties that are traditional flats. Yanked my 62ri out over time. You need more wood or a graphite rod. I mean if he really wants to try the railroad ties....he could look it up, its possible theres graphite in there.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Feb 20, 2019 6:22:54 GMT -6
I say that becuase its REALLY thin front to back and not with a modern graphite rod. Not a good combo for the railroad ties that are traditional flats. Yanked my 62ri out over time. You need more wood or a graphite rod. I mean if he really wants to try the railroad ties....he could look it up, its possible theres graphite in there. I don’t know man, I’ve had flats on my 62ri P for something like 15 years and I’ve never had to mess with my truss rod at all. I haven’t heard of this problem - maybe you had a lemon?
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Post by popmann on Feb 20, 2019 10:32:01 GMT -6
Lemon? Yes. To some degree. The tech said about 4/5 they got in developed the issue so, they started stringing them with D’Addario rounds (which are relative low and even tension) as soon as they came in so they wouldn’t warp hanging on the wall.
They made that model for 25 or 30 years. I imagine there’s a lot of variance. But, Kennedy doesn’t have a 62ri. And the album he holds up as ideal are likely Flexible flats. Posted the anneceote as it being “win/win” for him. That’s the sound he wants AND while that neck might be sketch for full tension flats, it will work with those round core flats.
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Post by johneppstein on Feb 20, 2019 12:25:32 GMT -6
I say that becuase its REALLY thin front to back and not with a modern graphite rod. Not a good combo for the railroad ties that are traditional flats. Yanked my 62ri out over time. You need more wood or a graphite rod. I mean if he really wants to try the railroad ties....he could look it up, its possible theres graphite in there. Graphite rods are a very new addition. I've seen lots of old basses that spent most of their lives with old style flats on them that had quite thin necks - thinner than the average Squier - and were still quite straight. I'm talking about both P and J basses dating between the late '50s and mid '60s. The P-basses from that era were wide but thin front to back and the original J basses were like tootpicks - way too skiinny for my tastes. I don't think they even made low tension flats in that period and there sure weren't any available roundwounds around that I was aware of except the ones that came stock on Danelectros - and were too short for Fenders.
The original Mosrite basses from the '60s had necks so thin it was ridiculous.
I think it's probable that the basses you saw with warped necks were either not well maintained of were from the era in the very late '60s through the '70s when many Fender necks were made out of wood that had been improperly cured. I'm seen some real nightmare necks on both guitars and basses from that period.
EDIT: My old P-bass that I had in the mid '70s through '80s had bridge cables on it when I got it from the original owner - very thin neck (dated '60) straight as an arrow whern I got it in '75. I changed over to half rounds for the brighter tone. Since then I've favored half rounds/Brite Flats, which are both ground round types, or Rotosound Swing Bass, so I don't have tension issues. I do have old style flats on my Ovation Magnum III Fretless, but it has a fat neck and rarely gets played.
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Post by reddirt on Feb 20, 2019 16:20:36 GMT -6
If you would like to hear some high quality bass sounds as well as superb playing ,Google Hindley Street Country Club, a loose conglomerate of Adelaide Australia musos playing covers of well known tunes live in the small studio. The bass player uses a precision , a jazz and a Yamaha and because he is so damn good reveals tonal differences beautifully.The precision sounds particularly terrific for mine. Take the time to check them out;will be surprised if you don't go from song to song - real players.Cheers, Ross
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Post by swafford on Feb 21, 2019 7:38:41 GMT -6
After much dicking around, I ended up with Lollar's and LaBella 0760M's on my '78 maple board Precision. Punch without edge; present but not bright. Sat really well in a dense country/folk/rock mix, especially re-amped through an Ampeg SB-12. Miss that bass.
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Post by ericn on Feb 21, 2019 9:38:53 GMT -6
I say that becuase its REALLY thin front to back and not with a modern graphite rod. Not a good combo for the railroad ties that are traditional flats. Yanked my 62ri out over time. You need more wood or a graphite rod. I mean if he really wants to try the railroad ties....he could look it up, its possible theres graphite in there. Graphite rods are a very new addition. I've seen lots of old basses that spent most of their lives with old style flats on them that had quite thin necks - thinner than the average Squier - and were still quite straight. I'm talking about both P and J basses dating between the late '50s and mid '60s. The P-basses from that era were wide but thin front to back and the original J basses were like tootpicks - way too skiinny for my tastes. I don't think they even made low tension flats in that period and there sure weren't any available roundwounds around that I was aware of except the ones that came stock on Danelectros - and were too short for Fenders.
The original Mosrite basses from the '60s had necks so thin it was ridiculous.
I think it's probable that the basses you saw with warped necks were either not well maintained of were from the era in the very late '60s through the '70s when many Fender necks were made out of wood that had been improperly cured. I'm seen some real nightmare necks on both guitars and basses from that period.
EDIT: My old P-bass that I had in the mid '70s through '80s had bridge cables on it when I got it from the original owner - very thin neck (dated '60) straight as an arrow whern I got it in '75. I changed over to half rounds for the brighter tone. Since then I've favored half rounds/Brite Flats, which are both ground round types, or Rotosound Swing Bass, so I don't have tension issues. I do have old style flats on my Ovation Magnum III Fretless, but it has a fat neck and rarely gets played. I don’t think the wood used has as tight of grain as it sued to and the glue used just isn’t as good, good for the environment but not as good for necks.
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Post by johneppstein on Feb 21, 2019 13:45:36 GMT -6
Graphite rods are a very new addition. I've seen lots of old basses that spent most of their lives with old style flats on them that had quite thin necks - thinner than the average Squier - and were still quite straight. I'm talking about both P and J basses dating between the late '50s and mid '60s. The P-basses from that era were wide but thin front to back and the original J basses were like tootpicks - way too skiinny for my tastes. I don't think they even made low tension flats in that period and there sure weren't any available roundwounds around that I was aware of except the ones that came stock on Danelectros - and were too short for Fenders.
The original Mosrite basses from the '60s had necks so thin it was ridiculous.
I think it's probable that the basses you saw with warped necks were either not well maintained of were from the era in the very late '60s through the '70s when many Fender necks were made out of wood that had been improperly cured. I'm seen some real nightmare necks on both guitars and basses from that period.
EDIT: My old P-bass that I had in the mid '70s through '80s had bridge cables on it when I got it from the original owner - very thin neck (dated '60) straight as an arrow whern I got it in '75. I changed over to half rounds for the brighter tone. Since then I've favored half rounds/Brite Flats, which are both ground round types, or Rotosound Swing Bass, so I don't have tension issues. I do have old style flats on my Ovation Magnum III Fretless, but it has a fat neck and rarely gets played. I don’t think the wood used has as tight of grain as it sued to and the glue used just isn’t as good, good for the environment but not as good for necks. Well, I do see what glue has to do with a bolt on neck (and I don't really agree, anyway). You might have a point about the wood, though.
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Post by ericn on Feb 21, 2019 14:11:32 GMT -6
I don’t think the wood used has as tight of grain as it sued to and the glue used just isn’t as good, good for the environment but not as good for necks. Well, I do see what glue has to do with a bolt on neck (and I don't really agree, anyway). You might have a point about the wood, though. Necks are glued together John.
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Post by johneppstein on Feb 21, 2019 16:47:19 GMT -6
Well, I do see what glue has to do with a bolt on neck (and I don't really agree, anyway). You might have a point about the wood, though. Necks are glued together John. Laminated necks are, sure. Fingerboards are glued onto necks but are not AFAIK a structural member, and unless I'm mistaken, "skunk stripe" maple necks don't have seperate fingerboards. hey didn't used to, anyway, except for a short period in the late '60s and those don't have the stripe.
The stripe covers the truss rod - I don't know if you'd call that structural or not, but I've never seen or heard of a neck with a loose or unglued stripe.
And most modern glues are actually better than traditional glues and less vulnerable to humidity.
Some Gibson style necks have glued on heads but Fender style necks are one piece (except for the stripe and the fingerboard, if rosewood.)
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