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Post by Tbone81 on Feb 8, 2019 14:43:28 GMT -6
So when It comes to quantizing drums I've had a really convoluted approach up till now. I usually track in Pro Tools (because thats whats available at outside studios I rent) -> edit the parts/takes -> consolidate tracks -> export to Logic 9 on my laptop -> Flextime those bad boys -> export to cubase. And then I finish the recording and mix in cubase.
I'm in the process of updating my OS on by laptop, so Logic 9 will no longer be working. I really don't want to buy logic x just to edit so I figure its time to learn Elastic Audio and cut out the middle men if you will.
My question for those more experience on PT is how do you like Elastic Audio and how do you think it compares to Flextime in Logic? Any pitfalls to avoid? Is the phase coherency good? I'm watching youtube videos right now to get familiar with it and so far I think it'll be an easy-ish transition. Am I wrong?
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Post by jeremygillespie on Feb 8, 2019 14:48:59 GMT -6
I’d suggest not editing drums with Elastic Audio. It does horrid things to cymbals.
Learn beat detective. Once you understand how it works you’ll know how far off you can allow things to be while tracking and have it still work with BD.
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Post by drbill on Feb 8, 2019 15:03:34 GMT -6
Agreed. Beat detective here all the way.
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Post by Tbone81 on Feb 8, 2019 15:04:46 GMT -6
I’d suggest not editing drums with Elastic Audio. It does horrid things to cymbals. Learn beat detective. Once you understand how it works you’ll know how far off you can allow things to be while tracking and have it still work with BD. Thanks, thats exactly the advise I was looking for. I find flextime to be pretty seemless when you choose the right algorithm. BD looks similar to the way cubase handles it...which I always found to be confusing and clunky. But I'll definitely check it out. I'm usually not quantizing any thing too crazy, I tend to pull the down beats onto the grid on every other bar, and then check to see how the middle lines up. Usually that's enough, but lately I've been doing alot of stuff with sequenced electronic elements that has to be tighter to the grid. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 8, 2019 20:36:26 GMT -6
X-Form works the best for me.
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Post by theshea on Feb 9, 2019 1:27:26 GMT -6
I’d suggest not editing drums with Elastic Audio. It does horrid things to cymbals. Learn beat detective. Once you understand how it works you’ll know how far off you can allow things to be while tracking and have it still work with BD I'm usually not quantizing any thing too crazy, I tend to pull the down beats onto the grid on every other bar, and then check to see how the middle lines up. Usually that's enough, but lately I've been doing alot of stuff with sequenced electronic elements that has to be tighter to the grid. You can do that easily with logic‘s flextime: just quantize the downbeat — a few clicks done. Flextime — shall i say it? It‘s very flexible ;-) it offers different modi like rhytmic, pholyphonic, etc. it‘s quick and sounds good. But if you already have PT i would also say learn beat detective and you‘re done. |
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Post by Tbone81 on Feb 9, 2019 10:14:32 GMT -6
I'm usually not quantizing any thing too crazy, I tend to pull the down beats onto the grid on every other bar, and then check to see how the middle lines up. Usually that's enough, but lately I've been doing alot of stuff with sequenced electronic elements that has to be tighter to the grid. You can do that easily with logic‘s flextime: just quantize the downbeat — a few clicks done. Flextime — shall i say it? It‘s very flexible ;-) it offers different modi like rhytmic, pholyphonic, etc. it‘s quick and sounds good. But if you already have PT i would also say learn beat detective and you‘re done. Yeah I’m very familiar with flextime, see my original post. The question is how does elastic audio and/or beat detective compare. |
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Post by drbill on Feb 9, 2019 11:00:27 GMT -6
Its my personal opinion that I'd rather do "editing" to get stuff in place than time expansion / compression which leaves artifacts that annoy me. Editing can leave artifacts too, but there are more workarounds. Both can work well, but I've had more luck with the editing style fixes. ie Beat Detective. BTW, there are a lot of tricks that you can do to pull off realistic, and non affected sounding fixes.
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Post by Bender on Feb 10, 2019 20:03:39 GMT -6
So when It comes to quantizing drums I've had a really convoluted approach up till now. I usually track in Pro Tools (because thats whats available at outside studios I rent) -> edit the parts/takes -> consolidate tracks -> export to Logic 9 on my laptop -> Flextime those bad boys -> export to cubase. And then I finish the recording and mix in cubase. I'm in the process of updating my OS on by laptop, so Logic 9 will no longer be working. I really don't want to buy logic x just to edit so I figure its time to learn Elastic Audio and cut out the middle men if you will. My question for those more experience on PT is how do you like Elastic Audio and how do you think it compares to Flextime in Logic? Any pitfalls to avoid? Is the phase coherency good? I'm watching youtube videos right now to get familiar with it and so far I think it'll be an easy-ish transition. Am I wrong?
What version of cubase are you on? Not sure if you've tried this method but it actually works pretty well, its no beat detective but its a huge improvement/feature that can help for sure, the audio hitpoint detection and slices has improved alot though and allows for multitrack group editing that allows you to choose which track from the multitracks is your #1 source for alignment/quantizing.. i.e. usually a snare or kick, he talks you through it if you aren't aware. Cubase is DEEP
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Post by Tbone81 on Feb 10, 2019 21:30:49 GMT -6
Thanks, maybe I’ll give it another look. I’ve tried that method back in Cubase 6.5 but I found it to be rather clunky and dangerously easy to ruin things. I guess it kind of scared me off. I’ll have to give it another look now that I’m in 9.5.
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