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Post by chessparov on Apr 24, 2019 12:13:07 GMT -6
Don't squash it too much with compression either! And I want to see-the proof-of this "Vodka Remix"... Chris
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 27, 2020 20:15:11 GMT -6
Aparently Zen Pro is offering the WA 251 with Heiserman’s CK12 capsule and they posted clips in the clipilator next to the stock version and one with the current AKG CK12. The Heiserman cap sounds fantastic. www.zenproaudio.com/clipalator
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Post by deehope on Jan 30, 2020 16:07:24 GMT -6
Chad offers a mod to bring it up to his original design. The heiserman is his capsule of choice. I'm really close to pulling the trigger on this mic. Does anyone have a fully modded one yet? To bad u cant fit the pio caps like the original but he says he compensates for that. Aparently Zen Pro is offering the WA 251 with Heiserman’s CK12 capsule and they posted clips in the clipilator next to the stock version and one with the current AKG CK12. The Heiserman cap sounds fantastic. www.zenproaudio.com/clipalator
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Jan 30, 2020 16:20:09 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 30, 2020 16:20:09 GMT -6
Well you could always lose the pcb and go point to point?
Curious, what you mean by original design when referring to a clone, are you saying Chad had drafted this mike’s build before he worked for Warm or it was developed while he worked for Warm?
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Jan 30, 2020 17:26:24 GMT -6
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Post by deehope on Jan 30, 2020 17:26:24 GMT -6
I know It felt wierd even saying that when talking about a clone lol I was under the impression that this basically the kit he created for the diy community years ago and modified for warm to hit a price point. Well you could always lose the pcb and go point to point? Curious, what you mean by original design when referring to a clone, are you saying Chad had drafted this mike’s build before he worked for Warm or it was developed while he worked for Warm?
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 30, 2020 18:01:26 GMT -6
agreed hard to describe, ah interesting, I had never heard that before. I have the stock wa251 and like it a lot. I built the studio 939 c12 with Tim’s cap and think about putting it in the 251, but haven’t yet !
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Post by Vincent R. on Apr 15, 2021 4:47:17 GMT -6
I hate that he uses EQ from the get go on all the mics, but this is still an interesting mic shootout. The vintage 251 and C24 sound amazing. The Mic Parts reminds me of my old Advanced Audio CM12SE. The Warm doesn’t fair as well and his reaction to it is kind of funny.
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Apr 15, 2021 10:37:09 GMT -6
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Post by aremos on Apr 15, 2021 10:37:09 GMT -6
I hate that he uses EQ from the get go on all the mics, but this is still an interesting mic shootout. The vintage 251 and C24 sound amazing. The Mic Parts reminds me of my old Advanced Audio CM12SE. The Warm doesn’t fair as well and his reaction to it is kind of funny. Close your eyes & listen to this guy's ... style, he's Carl Sagan with a slang!
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Post by Guitar on Apr 18, 2021 6:14:03 GMT -6
Great shootout. I'd like to get my hands on a Warm to see if I could come up with an electronics upgrade to get a better sound out of it, I bet I could.
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Post by timcampbell on Apr 18, 2021 6:35:59 GMT -6
Great shootout. I'd like to get my hands on a Warm to see if I could come up with an electronics upgrade to get a better sound out of it, I bet I could. Well I'm sure the 2 greatest limitations are that tube and capsule. A great sounding GE 5 star 6072 and a good capsule would take it a long way. I think the capsule is a 3U audio. Well you could always lose the pcb and go point to point? Curious, what you mean by original design when referring to a clone, are you saying Chad had drafted this mike’s build before he worked for Warm or it was developed while he worked for Warm? Well other than the fact that AKG designed this mic I believe all the R&D for most of these clones was done over at groupdiy a long time before any of these guys ever knew anything about building or modding a microphone.
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Post by Guitar on Apr 18, 2021 7:50:24 GMT -6
I am sure you are right, a great tube for any mic. 3U should be a decent capsule, though. I am aware of at least one possible shortcoming in the Warm mic electronics so I would like to have a go at it. I spent a lot of time on this in my own mic. I know a lot of capsule people focus on capsules, and tubes are something everyone can swap. But I am personally interested in electronics and amplifier circuits. Not that I don't care about capsules, of course they are the most important component. But I think the Warm mic could be improved for a relatively small cost in components. Much cheaper than a high end capsule swap. Just my own personal interest. Specifically, I think I could smooth the top end a bit and extend the low end. Of course I can't prove this without doing it.
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Apr 18, 2021 8:52:34 GMT -6
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Post by chessparov on Apr 18, 2021 8:52:34 GMT -6
Chad @ Signal Arts mods them... Chris
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Post by craigmorris74 on Apr 18, 2021 13:08:11 GMT -6
In my experience, the CK12, does have a good Asian copy, unlike the capsules for the 47, 67,and 87. Structually, the other capsule types look easier to knock off cheaply. The CK12 is another can of worms, so I feel like you should buy from somebody who actually replicates the chambered design of the real thing, or accept that you're not going to get close.
I've built mics with both the Asian RK12 type capsule, and Tim's CT12, and there's no comparison. Funny though, the RK12 sounds great with a U87 circuit (which makes sense considering it is structurally more similar to that mics capsule, despite the edge termination).
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Post by shawnh on Apr 22, 2021 7:12:32 GMT -6
How difficult is it to swap a capsule? I have a WA-251 and I like it well enough but always looking for that little bit more. I've put a an old 5 star 6072 tube in it and that made a nice improvement. I am considering upgrading the capsule. I've opened up the mic and looked at it. I have a good bit of experience soldering, have built partscaster guitars, modded some pedals etc. Working on a mic scares me a little though. With this 251 style mic since the leads attach to the edges of the capsule is it as simple as disconnecting the leads from the old capsule and connecting to the new? Do you even have to solder?
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Post by Guitar on Apr 22, 2021 7:31:35 GMT -6
How difficult is it to swap a capsule? I have a WA-251 and I like it well enough but always looking for that little bit more. I've put a an old 5 star 6072 tube in it and that made a nice improvement. I am considering upgrading the capsule. I've opened up the mic and looked at it. I have a good bit of experience soldering, have built partscaster guitars, modded some pedals etc. Working on a mic scares me a little though. With this 251 style mic since the leads attach to the edges of the capsule is it as simple as disconnecting the leads from the old capsule and connecting to the new? Do you even have to solder? You have to solder, you have to clean the high impedance solder area thoroughly when you're done, to get rid of stray parasitics, and you have to take great care mounting the capsule. But no, it's not "hard" if you have some experience level.
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Post by teejay on Apr 22, 2021 7:47:39 GMT -6
How difficult is it to swap a capsule? I have a WA-251 and I like it well enough but always looking for that little bit more. I've put a an old 5 star 6072 tube in it and that made a nice improvement. I am considering upgrading the capsule. I've opened up the mic and looked at it. I have a good bit of experience soldering, have built partscaster guitars, modded some pedals etc. Working on a mic scares me a little though. With this 251 style mic since the leads attach to the edges of the capsule is it as simple as disconnecting the leads from the old capsule and connecting to the new? Do you even have to solder? Someone with more experience can expound, but you don't disconnect the leads from the capsule itself, rather from where they're soldered to the board. The new capsule will come with leads already attached.
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Apr 22, 2021 9:54:37 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 22, 2021 9:54:37 GMT -6
You use isopropy,l highest proof you can buy, to clean up flux residue est., off the board.
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Post by mattbroiler on Apr 22, 2021 12:47:18 GMT -6
Installing a mic capsule is definitely within the capabilities of a person with basic soldering skills and not very difficult for a more skilled solderer. The main thing is to handle everything with extra care because you are dealing with some tiny fine wires compared to electric guitar guts but installing the capsule involves soldering two or three wires and that's it. You'll want a fine point soldering iron like Hako for this kind of work.
I did a full upgrade of micparts.com rk12 capsules cinemag transformers and capacitor/resistors swap on a couple of CAD GXL3000s and they turned out really good for a first timer project. I had no special knowledge at all and started out intending to do the capsules only and just kept going after that. Now that I know a little more about microphones I have a few more mod projects that I am looking forward to working on.
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Post by ericn on Apr 22, 2021 14:57:32 GMT -6
How difficult is it to swap a capsule? I have a WA-251 and I like it well enough but always looking for that little bit more. I've put a an old 5 star 6072 tube in it and that made a nice improvement. I am considering upgrading the capsule. I've opened up the mic and looked at it. I have a good bit of experience soldering, have built partscaster guitars, modded some pedals etc. Working on a mic scares me a little though. With this 251 style mic since the leads attach to the edges of the capsule is it as simple as disconnecting the leads from the old capsule and connecting to the new? Do you even have to solder? Not that difficult, but it sure is easy to pay somebody else to do it, and blame if they screw up! You
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