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Post by chessparov on Apr 16, 2019 0:02:33 GMT -6
Honestly, I'm a bit turned off the Sony 800G, due to its association with the "Modern" sound of relatively recent Rap/Hip Hop/Pop. The "in your face" thing is a 180, from my "Vintage" sound preference. Also although I've been told by some AE Pro's, the SM7 works well on my voice, its "Hipster" rep lessens my interest. Not entirely fair, I suppose. Chris
P.S. I think your analysis of how the 47 FET became more popular Dr. Bill, is spot on.
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Post by brenta on Apr 16, 2019 5:40:15 GMT -6
I was surprised at how well the 47 fet held up in the recent Vintage King Neumann shootout. Sounded really good.
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Post by aremos on Apr 16, 2019 7:58:47 GMT -6
Honestly, I'm a bit turned off the Sony 800G, due to its association with the "Modern" sound of relatively recent Rap/Hip Hop/Pop. The C-800G came before the Hip-hop era. Have no idea why it became associated with the styles you mention. It works incredibly well on classical, jazz, pop & any style that a high-end mic is needed - of course pending on the source. Once you experience it you'll have a completely different mind-set about it.
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Post by chessparov on Apr 16, 2019 8:23:49 GMT -6
You're right, and I'll keep an open mind towards it. Maybe even the SM7 too! Chris
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Post by popmann on Apr 16, 2019 12:20:32 GMT -6
Luther Vandross. Mariah Carey. fucking STING.....
The C800g got it's hip hop cred the same way the pimp looking Avalons did--they are super expensive and LOOK it....have big drug money and want to buy "the best as assessed by someone on percentage commission"? There you go.
I've only used one a few times. I found them lacking whatever fuzzies come from vintage tube LDCs on vocals....but, I mean they're downright boring (in a good way) mics. To me, they always sounded like a 414 on steroids. Kind mid scooped and crystal clean....I will say I have always wanted to try those new Sony mic designs--the Sunken like dual capsule things....because, Sony doesn't make a LOT of mics....so, it's sort of like when they DO....there must be something they're doing unique....IMO.
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Post by chessparov on Apr 16, 2019 16:57:44 GMT -6
Luther Vandross. Mariah Carey. fucking STING..... The C800g got it's hip hop cred the same way the pimp looking Avalons did--they are super expensive and LOOK it....have big drug money and want to buy "the best as assessed by someone on percentage commission"? There you go. I've only used one a few times. I found them lacking whatever fuzzies come from vintage tube LDCs on vocals....but, I mean they're downright boring (in a good way) mics. To me, they always sounded like a 414 on steroids. Kind mid scooped and crystal clean....I will say I have always wanted to try those new Sony mic designs--the Sunken like dual capsule things....because, Sony doesn't make a LOT of mics....so, it's sort of like when they DO....there must be something they're doing unique....IMO. ^^^^ end of quote All this would just tempt me to run a 800G vocal, through the funkiest/most analog sounding vocal chain known to Man! (ya know like Art Tube MP> Tascam 424) Chris
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Post by Ward on Apr 16, 2019 20:31:59 GMT -6
Didn't this have something to do with Hugh Padgham? Well, yes there's that . . . we can blame everything in rap and hip-hop on drug money.
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Post by the other mark williams on Apr 16, 2019 23:03:31 GMT -6
Didn't this have something to do with Hugh Padgham? Well, yes there's that . . . we can blame everything in rap and hip-hop on drug money. Yeah, the "drug money" comment was uncalled for.
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Post by Vincent R. on Apr 23, 2019 5:17:30 GMT -6
I enjoy this and it’s basically what I’ve said I would do if I had a chance to record a real ensemble. Grab a bunch of Warm and AA mics, blend in with some of my higher end mics, and make careful mic and mic placement choices. Not a fan of the WA251 on trumpet though. It’s a little bright for my tastes. There is a reason Al Schmitt uses 67s.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 23, 2019 5:46:10 GMT -6
Fair enuff but Sylvia wanted the trumpets to naturally sound different than the saxes on the 47s ? She has the wa412, wa273 and her neve board too for pre sound. She said she used no eq adn that she tried to copy Al Schmitt's approach to recording big bands: , but not replicate as she didn't have the budget for all the original neumann mikes , sure sounded like a big band to me The band lead guy also makes some interesting comments about the accuracy of the sound and cue mixes really helping the sections with their intonation: apparently they play deliberately slightly out of intonation to thicken the sound of their particular sections.
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Post by Vincent R. on Apr 23, 2019 7:12:36 GMT -6
Again, just my taste. It’s Sylvia Massy. She can do whatever she wants. She doesn’t need my approval. :-P
I do like brass and horns through 47s and 49s though. I used a Peluso 2247SE on the trumpets on my Granada recording. Wish I had a ribbon at the time though.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 23, 2019 7:29:01 GMT -6
ya, I stopped returning her calls too ! I actually have spoken to her; got her set up for the expert recording thread at UA Forum about 2 years ago. She is as fun, knowledgeable and personable as she seems
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Post by Ward on Apr 23, 2019 7:54:27 GMT -6
For those unfamiliar . . . Sylvia Massy is quite revolutionary
For example . ..
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Post by 000 on Apr 23, 2019 8:30:34 GMT -6
Just finished her “Recording Unhinged” book - definitely a fun read.
Still debating between this one and the AA. Has anyone hear used both in person?
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Post by brenta on Apr 23, 2019 14:50:43 GMT -6
I agree the WA251 is a little strident on the trumpets. But it is a Warm commercial after all, so they had to feature their new mic somewhere.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 23, 2019 15:06:20 GMT -6
Just curious were people listening to interent audio and are you really saying you mix better than Sylvia ?
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Post by brenta on Apr 23, 2019 16:07:09 GMT -6
Just curious were people listening to interent audio and are you really saying you mix better than Sylvia ? Who said they mix better than Sylvia Massy? I was listening to internet audio, but i’ve listened to enough trumpets on the internet to know if I like the sound of it or not. Obviously if a mic choice doesn’t translate very well to the internet, that’s a pretty fatal flaw these days. I think Sylvia’s decision to use the WA251 there was probably influenced more by the check she received from Warm than it was by the sonics. Trumpets can easily sound strident and I prefer a darker mic, but that’s just my preference. If you think the WA251 sounds great there and want to use it on trumpets, by all means, do so.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 23, 2019 16:20:55 GMT -6
This morning, I invited Sylvia to chime in here to discuss the recording experience/gear choices and shared the link, sure hopes she chimes in soon.
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Post by ericn on Apr 23, 2019 18:53:45 GMT -6
Just curious were people listening to interent audio and are you really saying you mix better than Sylvia ? Sylvia has been doing this long enough that I think she has a thick enough skin to take some criticism, mic choice is a pretty individual thing we all have our own sonic priorities. The one thing about Sylvia is she has always had the guts to do her own thing and not go down the well worn path. As an AE or producer part of the job is everybody telling you they don’t like how something sounds, the best revenge is your the one getting paid to do the job most of the critics aren’t.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 24, 2019 4:26:05 GMT -6
Who else mikes a potato ?
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Post by ericn on Apr 24, 2019 6:35:04 GMT -6
Who else mikes a potato ? We have a use for the C1000 at last!
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 24, 2019 8:28:16 GMT -6
Two as potato solos need to be in stereo: 4 sure !
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Post by Ward on Apr 24, 2019 8:33:02 GMT -6
Two as potato solos need to be in stereo: 4 sure ! Although we're off topic, stereo potato mic'ing techniques are a serious thing. I find MS works best for potatoes.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 24, 2019 8:42:09 GMT -6
Personally, with these bed tracks that can seem a bit starchy, I have always favored the vodka remix for its most liquidy qualities ?
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Post by Ward on Apr 24, 2019 9:32:28 GMT -6
Personally, with these bed tracks that can seem a bit starchy, I have always favored the vodka remix for its most liquidy qualities ? oh it's all chips or fries at this point
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