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Post by brenta on Feb 4, 2019 13:49:08 GMT -6
My understanding is that the AMI BV11R transformer has a little bit more low end to compensate for what is lost by not using the AC701k tube. Their BV11 transformer is supposed to be historically accurate for use with the AC701k.
I’ve got an M49 clone made by Barbaric with a 6s6b-v tube, Dany Bouchard D7 capsule, and AMI BV11R transformer. Hard to say how it compares as I don’t think I’ve ever used an M49 with an M7 capsule, although I used to own a Gefell UM70 with m7. It has tons of low end and is the fattest and warmest mic i’ve ever used. It tends to be generally be a little dark on vocals but it takes EQ so well that it’s easily correctable.
When I was having the mic built Chris was recommending the 5840 but since then I’ve noticed that most of his m49 types are using 6s6b-v tubes. I sourced 10 of them from 2 different countries and Chris said they all tested very well for noise and microphonics. Seems to be a sleeper tube but probably still a different tone than the AC701k.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 4, 2019 13:54:41 GMT -6
At least it's plugged in... I've only had a little first hand experience with M49's drbill. I also had a Blackspade UM17 that was an M49 clone. I just didn't get the wow I get from a vintage U67 or U47. I can use an exaggeration to describe it though, I heard a little more of a megaphone tone than the other Neumann's. I realize Sinatra and Neil Young have used them, so clearly they're special, but not the one I tried or the clone. Just not a first choice for me, and since I can afford only one major mic, it has to be THE ONE, if you know what I mean. Listen to this, here's a quick test of me on vintage mics, U47 U67, M49, C12, my Blackspade and the Soyuz 0-19 FET. realgearonline.com/thread/5685/high-end-mic-shootout-preview?page=4
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Post by sean on Feb 4, 2019 14:14:57 GMT -6
I have a Flea 49 Next and there are times that it sounds great, and other times it just doesn’t work with a singers voice. I don’t think it’s a perfect “suits all” vocal microphone. I think a U67 might be a bit more universal in its usefulness. It has their M7 capsule, I wonder if I would prefer it with a K47/K49?
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Post by chessparov on Feb 4, 2019 14:15:53 GMT -6
IMHO 67 was best, M49 was last place, all the other ones sounded excellent. BTW Sinatra didn't use a U47 near as much as people think. Part of my research, were the comments by Bob Olhsson, based statements from first hand experiences by AE's like Wally Heider. I'm convinced Frank used the RCA 77 more at Capitol, versus the U47. But the U47 looked better for photo shoots! Also Sinatra liked to used his gold Shure 546 a lot, at Reprise. The AKG D24, however, did sound terrific on "It Was A Very Good Year". (see the live studio video on Youtube sometime!) I finally "get" the U67 all rounder thing. For me, the Bock U99 is second to none (some "ties out there" ) on a given song, and seems to be the best overall all rounder. It's darker than the U67 RI-especially on FAT mode. Chris
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Post by Guitar on Feb 4, 2019 14:50:48 GMT -6
The great thing about the U67 is its relatively flat frequency response. No big bumps anywhere so it's widely usable.
I'm definitely on the u67 train. It's like if you could only have one good mic, and some SM57s, that would be one of the best choices.
As a matter of fact, I'm aware of at least one indie band that meets that description. Funny enough the name of the band is "The Microphones."
And another band that uses heavily its cousin the U87. That would be Grizzly Bear. Some of those albums sound pretty great.
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Post by chessparov on Feb 4, 2019 15:05:49 GMT -6
Hmmm... Maybe The Tubes and The Microphones should combine musical forces! Chris
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Post by avgatzeblouz on Feb 4, 2019 16:16:25 GMT -6
wave Very interesting, thank you. I personnaly should have a pair of DIY M49 in a week or so with Neumann capsules, Phaedrus tube, and FAB transformers. I wish I could compare to an original one. Anyway, sorry Eric for the slight derail. I agree a 67 would sell much more than an M49. I forgot about the FAB transformers! Have you used them before? Nope. First time !
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Post by Mister Chase on Feb 4, 2019 17:01:29 GMT -6
87s can sound great. I did an album that was tracked in a really nice studio. They used 87s on these two little sisters. Man. It was perfect.
I am surprised by the m49 getting ahead. I think Russia is involved.
No way a 67 is getting beaten. Maybe by a 251. But a 49? Cumon people. Inside job.
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Post by chessparov on Feb 4, 2019 22:18:02 GMT -6
Probably the 49'ers. Whereas 67 was Summer of Love! Chris
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Post by drbill on Feb 4, 2019 23:06:02 GMT -6
87s can sound great. I did an album that was tracked in a really nice studio. They used 87s on these two little sisters. Man. It was perfect. I am surprised by the m49 getting ahead. I think Russia is involved. No way a 67 is getting beaten. Maybe by a 251. But a 49? Cumon people. Inside job. 67 = killer workhorse 49 = unexplainable magic
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Post by Mister Chase on Feb 5, 2019 0:01:44 GMT -6
87s can sound great. I did an album that was tracked in a really nice studio. They used 87s on these two little sisters. Man. It was perfect. I am surprised by the m49 getting ahead. I think Russia is involved. No way a 67 is getting beaten. Maybe by a 251. But a 49? Cumon people. Inside job. 67 = killer workhorse 49 = unexplainable magic Clydesdale and Gandalf.... The GRAY
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Post by sirthought on Feb 5, 2019 4:21:50 GMT -6
I'd like both but I'd first be interested in hearing a good 49.
As it is, though, we still don't even have a price or target for the 47 tube. This is all early days for these guys.
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 5, 2019 7:28:12 GMT -6
87s can sound great. I did an album that was tracked in a really nice studio. They used 87s on these two little sisters. Man. It was perfect. I am surprised by the m49 getting ahead. I think Russia is involved. No way a 67 is getting beaten. Maybe by a 251. But a 49? Cumon people. Inside job. 67 = killer workhorse 49 = unexplainable magic This!
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Post by chessparov on Feb 5, 2019 8:20:39 GMT -6
47 = You talked the wife into it... (hopefully) Chris
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Post by swafford on Feb 5, 2019 8:37:59 GMT -6
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Post by Omicron9 on Feb 5, 2019 9:18:18 GMT -6
Although not one of the choices on your list, for my money I'd love to see a new KM56 style mic. Tube driven, Multiple patterns, Nickel capsule! I have a few originals, and they are some of the most requested, and used mic's in my collection. Very versatile, RARE, & EXPENSIVE. Sadly, all the other choices you have on your list have been cloned Ad nauseam... This mic would be unique, and a huge hit, if done right. Sorry for the left turn, just my opinion. This. There seem to be countless clones of the classic LDCs. Why is no one interested in cloning the classic SDCs? -09
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Post by mdmitch2 on Feb 5, 2019 9:25:59 GMT -6
So, in the spirit of this thread, I'd like to share some mockups that I've been working on. This is more or less what a Heiserman H67 *could* look like, and some possible color options. The goal would be to keep the price at around $2,000 or less. It would be fully machined and built in the USA, and most importantly, we'll make sure it sounds right If that means making a new capsule or designing a new transformer or both, we're up for it! Note, this is NOT a product announcement -- I don't want to pull a Slate and make people think we have something ready or even nearly ready to release. But I've really enjoyed and appreciated this thread, and I think it would be cool to keep the RGO community in the loop! So what do you think? Any other color requests?
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Post by chessparov on Feb 5, 2019 9:36:00 GMT -6
IMHO keep it classic nickel and black. Chris
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Post by mdmitch2 on Feb 5, 2019 9:38:36 GMT -6
IMHO keep it classic nickel and black. Chris Thanks for the feedback, and I'm kind of thinking the same, but we've built a lot of custom mics over the years, and it always surprises me how often people ask for a blue/red/gold/etc mic. Even for classics like the U47 and U67.
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Post by ericn on Feb 5, 2019 10:03:07 GMT -6
So, in the spirit of this thread, I'd like to share some mockups that I've been working on. This is more or less what a Heiserman H67 *could* look like, and some possible color options. The goal would be to keep the price at around $2,000 or less. It would be fully machined and built in the USA, and most importantly, we'll make sure it sounds right If that means making a new capsule or designing a new transformer or both, we're up for it! Note, this is NOT a product announcement -- I don't want to pull a Slate and make people think we have something ready or even nearly ready to release. But I've really enjoyed and appreciated this thread, and I think it would be cool to keep the RGO community in the loop! So what do you think? Any other color requests? While I love the look of the red on the 47fet body on the 67/87 it just looks to me like another cheap generic Chinese mic. Maybe a limited run in red every once in a while or other colors just to fill the bling market but I just don’t see it being taken seriously. Also consider this it’s going to cost you more to carry inventory in colors and every Neumann issued in a special finish has ended up in one dealers hands being sold at a discount.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Feb 5, 2019 10:13:27 GMT -6
While I love the look of the red on the 47fet body on the 67/87 it just looks to me like another cheap generic Chinese mic. Maybe a limited run in red every once in a while or other colors just to fill the bling market but I just don’t see it being taken seriously. Also consider this it’s going to cost you more to carry inventory in colors and every Neumann issued in a special finish has ended up in one dealers hands being sold at a discount. Hey Eric, thanks for the feedback. To your point, it would increase our costs to carry multiple colors, and on a product like this it may make more sense to offer custom colors as an upcharge rather than trying to stock them. However, given the popularity of the red H47 (we've sold more of that color than any other), I want to feel it out a bit and see what the demand is... It may be that we only offer the extra colors on pre-orders, and then stock the Silver/Black versions.
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Post by chessparov on Feb 5, 2019 10:18:55 GMT -6
Now of course if Pink orders one... Chris
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Post by Guitar on Feb 5, 2019 10:26:31 GMT -6
I think it would be cool to get one of those fugly military olive / beige / greyish kind of vintage colors going on.
But I like the 4 colors you posted.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Feb 5, 2019 10:30:52 GMT -6
I think it would be cool to get one of those fugly military olive / beige / greyish kind of vintage colors going on. But I like the 4 colors you posted. Here's another one I made that you might place in the 'fugly vintage' family:
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Post by jtc111 on Feb 5, 2019 10:30:57 GMT -6
So, in the spirit of this thread, I'd like to share some mockups that I've been working on. This is more or less what a Heiserman H67 *could* look like, and some possible color options. The goal would be to keep the price at around $2,000 or less. It would be fully machined and built in the USA, and most importantly, we'll make sure it sounds right If that means making a new capsule or designing a new transformer or both, we're up for it! Note, this is NOT a product announcement -- I don't want to pull a Slate and make people think we have something ready or even nearly ready to release. But I've really enjoyed and appreciated this thread, and I think it would be cool to keep the RGO community in the loop! So what do you think? Any other color requests? While I love the look of the red on the 47fet body on the 67/87 it just looks to me like another cheap generic Chinese mic. Maybe a limited run in red every once in a while or other colors just to fill the bling market but I just don’t see it being taken seriously. Also consider this it’s going to cost you more to carry inventory in colors and every Neumann issued in a special finish has ended up in one dealers hands being sold at a discount. A champagne color would look pretty classy.
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