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Post by 000 on Apr 16, 2019 18:15:06 GMT -6
Granted I was mostly just going through presets - but I couldn’t find one that didn’t make the DI signal sound worse. I remember kempers sounding better than this.
I don’t imagine I’ll be getting rid of any guitar amps anytime soon.
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Post by ragan on Apr 16, 2019 18:29:24 GMT -6
Granted I was mostly just going through presets - but I couldn’t find one that didn’t make the DI signal sound worse. I remember kempers sounding better than this. I don’t imagine I’ll be getting rid of any guitar amps anytime soon. As I mentioned, the presets are really bad. If you just start from scratch, pick an amp, a cab and go, you can get some nice sounds out of this. Use it in an actual song? That remains to be seen. But there are sounds in here that are worlds better than other sims I've used. Like the UAD stuff and the other one that's been in the Everything Bundle, whatever it's called. I’ve mostly just been using the Vox and the 64 Marshall, FWIW. |
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Post by ragan on Apr 16, 2019 18:31:55 GMT -6
The second guitar I tried it with (again only for a sec) I didn’t like as much. And I hate all the presets. They sound amazingly bad to me. The Sonics I was digging was just the Vox with a couple different cabs and various 57/414/121 combo. I kinda wanna try a Kemper again though too. That new Kemper AC pack sounds pretty good. yeah it does. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 16, 2019 19:36:07 GMT -6
The second guitar I tried it with (again only for a sec) I didn’t like as much. And I hate all the presets. They sound amazingly bad to me. The Sonics I was digging was just the Vox with a couple different cabs and various 57/414/121 combo. I kinda wanna try a Kemper again though too. That new Kemper AC pack sounds pretty good. You mean that Stu G 1964 AC30? It’s sick. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 16, 2019 19:37:17 GMT -6
Granted I was mostly just going through presets - but I couldn’t find one that didn’t make the DI signal sound worse. I remember kempers sounding better than this. I don’t imagine I’ll be getting rid of any guitar amps anytime soon. As I mentioned, the presets are really bad. If you just start from scratch, pick an amp, a cab and go, you can get some nice sounds out of this. Use it in an actual song? That remains to be seen. But there are sounds in here that are worlds better than other sims I've used. Like the UAD stuff and the other one that's been in the Everything Bundle, whatever it's called. I’ve mostly just been using the Vox and the 64 Marshall, FWIW. Yeah just the raw bassman and vox sounds pretty good. |
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Post by indiehouse on Apr 16, 2019 19:52:01 GMT -6
That new Kemper AC pack sounds pretty good. You mean that Stu G 1964 AC30? It’s sick. Yeah, I’ve been really impressed with that one. Sounds so good. |
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Post by ragan on Apr 16, 2019 19:54:49 GMT -6
As I mentioned, the presets are really bad. If you just start from scratch, pick an amp, a cab and go, you can get some nice sounds out of this. Use it in an actual song? That remains to be seen. But there are sounds in here that are worlds better than other sims I've used. Like the UAD stuff and the other one that's been in the Everything Bundle, whatever it's called. I’ve mostly just been using the Vox and the 64 Marshall, FWIW. Yeah just the raw bassman and vox sounds pretty good. Try the 64 Marshall with the “Slate Cab”. I don’t like the Marshall cab it wants to pair it with. |
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Post by mrholmes on Apr 17, 2019 4:11:49 GMT -6
Just in the middle of new song I did try this one and so far to my ears this is the first Amp-Sim which works for me. The distortions does not sound like BS like with all the other contenders. Have to try the rig player, but so far the guys in Italy did a great job. Love swapping tubes for getting different tons...
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Post by ragan on Apr 18, 2019 11:14:46 GMT -6
You guys gotta try the amp tweak section. I would have thought this would be a gimmick and just sound like little EQ filters. It does not. Swap tubes, diodes, etc. Pretty amazing.
I've been doing some heavy testing with this thing and I'm very impressed. Again, the presets are horrible (deleted them all immediately) and the demos online are not good in my view. But just grab the Vox and put it into either its matched cab or the "Slate" cab (which runs the Ownhammer IRs) and stick a Royer 121 and 57 on it and it's some serious business.
The parallel thing is also really awesome, especially before/after the head.
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Post by ragan on Apr 18, 2019 23:35:48 GMT -6
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Post by mrholmes on Apr 19, 2019 7:28:42 GMT -6
I spent about 10 minutes with it. Won't be selling the old Kemper. The second guitar I tried it with (again only for a sec) I didn’t like as much. And I hate all the presets. They sound amazingly bad to me. The Sonics I was digging was just the Vox with a couple different cabs and various 57/414/121 combo. I kinda wanna try a Kemper again though too. I spend some more time with the SLO 88 clean. Trying to mimic some SRV Lenny Sounds cahnging Tubes and changing the Volatge....etc For an Amp Simulation WOW. + Changing something now feels diffrent like with real amps. + The first plug in simulation that reacts in a nice way on how hard I pick the guitar. + Nice breakup pointswith the SLO 88 - The decay of the distortion is like with all sims very square... They are on something here, they should try to get rid of the square decay feel. I can see using this one for some guitar sounds in a song. |
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Post by ragan on Aug 26, 2019 13:57:47 GMT -6
Heads up - there's been a TH-U sale going on and this is the last day. I just picked up the Vintage Collection 1 for $19. I continue to think TH-U is the best guitar simulation out there. I already thought that about the 'regular' TH-U stuff but their 'rig capture' thing is pretty astounding. Similar to what Kemper does I just think this is quite a bit better (subjective of course). They just sound like mic'd amps.
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Post by ragan on Aug 26, 2019 14:04:02 GMT -6
You have to be able to deal with Steven's Steven-ness but here's a useful little AB with the TH-U captured rig vs the actual mic'd amp. The difference is minuscule enough to be pretty much meaningless in my opinion.
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Post by indiehouse on Aug 26, 2019 15:52:43 GMT -6
Heads up - there's been a TH-U sale going on and this is the last day. I just picked up the Vintage Collection 1 for $19. I continue to think TH-U is the best guitar simulation out there. I already thought that about the 'regular' TH-U stuff but their 'rig capture' thing is pretty astounding. Similar to what Kemper does I just think this is quite a bit better (subjective of course). They just sound like mic'd amps. What’s the latency like? That’s the big appeal of the Kemper for me. |
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Post by ragan on Aug 26, 2019 16:02:52 GMT -6
Heads up - there's been a TH-U sale going on and this is the last day. I just picked up the Vintage Collection 1 for $19. I continue to think TH-U is the best guitar simulation out there. I already thought that about the 'regular' TH-U stuff but their 'rig capture' thing is pretty astounding. Similar to what Kemper does I just think this is quite a bit better (subjective of course). They just sound like mic'd amps. What’s the latency like? That’s the big appeal of the Kemper for me. If you're monitoring it through your DAW, it's DAW-buffer dependent. TH-U doesn't add additional latency but for my tastes, you have to run your buffer down at at least 128 to get it useable. You can also monitor it standalone, which is what I do. I set TH-U's own buffer at 32 samples and then it's as responsive as something like the Kemper. But it taxes CPU so you have to have a machine that can do that. But yeah, Kemper is great for not having to worry about buffers/latency. I just never made friends with its sound. Another thing I love about TH-U is I can dial something up quickly and get the parts I want down and then change amp profiles later if I want to. It can work wonders to swap amp profiles in and out as you're mixing. |
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Post by popmann on Aug 27, 2019 10:15:02 GMT -6
First tech note for indie: if you just switched to Cubase (going from memory?) what's said above doesn't apply. I agree with Ragan that with a flat buffered app 128 or MAYBE 256 is the last playable....but, Cubase--and I tested this last night with v10 (since so much has changed)--works of a secondary buffer for input enabled tracks (or I actually put a sim on the input channels themselves and record them like audio as they're played)--so, when you set the buffer to 512 it's running 128 or under....it was really 1024 where things got noticeably laggy. I "could" play with it, but....anyway.
Second: so is there actually a way to load the Kemper profiles? I see RigPlayer... The Slate "rigs" are....I mean that's NOT wha a JCM800 sounds like....NOT what a Plexi sounds like....never played an old champ....so....fill me in--what amp I missing about being able to load profiles? I saw a couple references to editing the files with a TXT editor and changing the extension....what's the secret handshake?
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Post by popmann on Aug 27, 2019 10:25:02 GMT -6
Heads up - there's been a TH-U sale going on and this is the last day. I just picked up the Vintage Collection 1 for $19. I continue to think TH-U is the best guitar simulation out there. I already thought that about the 'regular' TH-U stuff but their 'rig capture' thing is pretty astounding. Similar to what Kemper does I just think this is quite a bit better (subjective of course). They just sound like mic'd amps. What’s the latency like? That’s the big appeal of the Kemper for me. See previous tech note....but, that's ALWAYS the attraction of hardware. For me--it's digital pianos more than amp sims--I can drop in at ANY point in a project without latency. That will NEVER be true of a software product. It's not the fault of the plug in--but, of the compensated DAW paradigm. If someone made a DAW that would only run real time algos, no one would want it. The only way software recording systems have taken over is based on the idea that they're NOT real time. IMO. So, while I wanted to point out that strength of Cubase for you....I'm NOT saying you wouldn't rather have a hardware sim. |
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Post by ragan on Aug 27, 2019 10:47:43 GMT -6
First tech note for indie: if you just switched to Cubase (going from memory?) what's said above doesn't apply. I agree with Ragan that with a flat buffered app 128 or MAYBE 256 is the last playable....but, Cubase--and I tested this last night with v10 (since so much has changed)--works of a secondary buffer for input enabled tracks (or I actually put a sim on the input channels themselves and record them like audio as they're played)--so, when you set the buffer to 512 it's running 128 or under....it was really 1024 where things got noticeably laggy. I "could" play with it, but....anyway. Second: so is there actually a way to load the Kemper profiles? I see RigPlayer... The Slate "rigs" are....I mean that's NOT wha a JCM800 sounds like....NOT what a Plexi sounds like....never played an old champ....so....fill me in--what amp I missing about being able to load profiles? I saw a couple references to editing the files with a TXT editor and changing the extension....what's the secret handshake? Listen to the video comparison I posted above. That IS what those particular amps sound like. They’ve teased the idea of porting Kemper profiles to their system but that’s about all. Hasn’t been done yet to my knowledge. Could be legal hijinks going on behind the scenes. |
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Post by indiehouse on Sept 5, 2019 11:49:28 GMT -6
First tech note for indie: if you just switched to Cubase (going from memory?) what's said above doesn't apply. I agree with Ragan that with a flat buffered app 128 or MAYBE 256 is the last playable....but, Cubase--and I tested this last night with v10 (since so much has changed)--works of a secondary buffer for input enabled tracks (or I actually put a sim on the input channels themselves and record them like audio as they're played)--so, when you set the buffer to 512 it's running 128 or under....it was really 1024 where things got noticeably laggy. I "could" play with it, but....anyway. Second: so is there actually a way to load the Kemper profiles? I see RigPlayer... The Slate "rigs" are....I mean that's NOT wha a JCM800 sounds like....NOT what a Plexi sounds like....never played an old champ....so....fill me in--what amp I missing about being able to load profiles? I saw a couple references to editing the files with a TXT editor and changing the extension....what's the secret handshake? Oooh, that's good to know. Thanks! I still haven't jumped in Cubase with both feet. Barely have a toe in at this point. |
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Post by ragan on Oct 1, 2019 12:44:09 GMT -6
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Post by ragan on Nov 28, 2019 0:31:02 GMT -6
As maybe the resident TH-U evangelist maybe this is a dumb question for me to be asking but does anyone have a great handle on the TH-U sale offerings this week? There's like "TH-U Rock" and "TH-U Funk" and various other silly things. I think each of these packages means you get TH-U and some amps and Rig Player profiles...but they all give you the TH-U license. Right?
I was planning on getting TH-U "Full" but I don't actually care about endless models. For the non Rig Player side of TH-U I only use the Vox and the Bassman and one of the older Marshalls. I already have several Rig Player libraries that I use mostly so I think my move is just to buy one of the cheaper packaged deals and not "Full".
Anyone else looking at this and parsing it out?
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Post by sirthought on Nov 28, 2019 5:13:29 GMT -6
Rock and Funk are $59 each. Funk would give you the ones I think you are after.
I thought you already owned this product?
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Post by ragan on Dec 2, 2019 10:35:00 GMT -6
Rock and Funk are $59 each. Funk would give you the ones I think you are after. I thought you already owned this product? I had it in the Slate bundle which I'm getting out of. I bought the TH-U Full license. It's the only version that includes the IR convolver cab for loading third party IRs and I rely heavily on that. $159 for the full license. Not bad considering this handles almost all of my guitar duties and allowed me to get rid of my bulky ISO cab situation. |
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Post by notneeson on Dec 7, 2019 15:19:18 GMT -6
Rock and Funk are $59 each. Funk would give you the ones I think you are after. I thought you already owned this product? I had it in the Slate bundle which I'm getting out of. I bought the TH-U Full license. It's the only version that includes the IR convolver cab for loading third party IRs and I rely heavily on that. $159 for the full license. Not bad considering this handles almost all of my guitar duties and allowed me to get rid of my bulky ISO cab situation. Setting aside bulkiness, and irrespective of how the software sounds: how did your iso cab sound? |
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Post by ragan on Dec 7, 2019 15:47:09 GMT -6
I had it in the Slate bundle which I'm getting out of. I bought the TH-U Full license. It's the only version that includes the IR convolver cab for loading third party IRs and I rely heavily on that. $159 for the full license. Not bad considering this handles almost all of my guitar duties and allowed me to get rid of my bulky ISO cab situation. Setting aside bulkiness, and irrespective of how the software sounds: how did your iso cab sound? It was capable of pretty good sonics. I went to great lengths to get pretty much all of the airspace inside filled with rockwool, even surrounding/between the mics. I also built it with a few inches of rockwool on all of the interior surfaces. So it was as dead as I could get it and that mitigated most of the annoying comb-filtering/phase smeary mess that come along with iso cabs. Not quite all of it but most. I'll find a clip... |
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