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Post by miscend on Jan 28, 2019 11:17:37 GMT -6
In the Musicrader video he claims the automation will be sample accurate. That's not possible with analogue electronics.
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Post by javamad on Jan 30, 2019 4:06:07 GMT -6
In the Musicrader video he claims the automation will be sample accurate. That's not possible with analogue electronics. I saw that video and understood that he was saying the outgoing audio as its converted will have the timing of the control signal synced to sample level. Now how that pans out post-conversion and with control voltages feeding analog components is another thing. I think the point he was trying to make was that the control of the analog components is “very tightly synced” by the plugin control voltage.
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Post by lipaz on Feb 3, 2019 6:36:09 GMT -6
I'm really curious what it is. Because at this point I can only guess according to the limited information they presented. Part of the hype-generator flux condenser machine of any marketing department. If they reinvented something that e.g. Antelope Audio has been done already (FPGA fx), then I'll be a bit sad. FPGA is not DSP and doesn't require analog I/O. Mitigates the delay. I had a chance to test a Discrete 8 few weeks ago which has brilliant mic-pres, and the FPGA fx was something I've never heard before in terms of clarity and sound. User is able to use it within the factory controller or within the DAW as a plugin (rack). You can have 8 channels of 4 plugins as inserts (you can choose from 50+ vintage modelled plugin). No, it is not UAD similar DSP, because the programming of these plugins are different. You can be more precise in modelling. Unfortunately I had to send it back to reseller because Antelope's current software controller is unstable, I couldn't rely on it. That's a shame, because the hardware is brilliant, a piece of art. If mcDSP claims that everything will be programmable and you can use it in this similar way with a good converter, then I can't think about anything else but an upgraded, hopefully more stable version of e.g. aforementioned interface, but without I/Os, pres. Like a 16-core UAD Thunderbolt Satellite but with all the superior FPGA fx features against DSP programmed plugins. That would be wonderful. One step closer to the future; how I imagine a flexible hybrid studio in 2030. That being said the price can be anywhere from 4-5k USD up to 10k USD. Really depends how greedy they are as pioneers currently. Whether they want to milk the pro cows with less gear or they want to sell more units on affordable price for semi-pros and lower the margin. As for the 32bit DAC, confusing and doesn't exists in this term... well, it existed for 35000 USD but it was really unnecessary (Platinum Studio Plus), and 24-bit covers everything you can/may need to hear. Today's UAD Apollo X or aApogee Symphony is more than enough from THD, SNR, dynamics perspective. 32-bit filtering does exist however, so they maybe referred to 32-bit internal processing, but that is different. They should be more precise saying that.I hardly can wait for more information (release date, specs, plugins), and the price of course. Because this thing may reduce number of gears in studio if every hoped feature comes together. A 16ch summing box controlled from any DAW with great plugins without delay and without CPU usage (hopefully not PT centric as prayed before in a comment)... just add a 2-channels hi-end converter on top of that and everything is done ITB with pro result for a composer who doesn't work with musicians/band in live.
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Post by drbill on Feb 3, 2019 10:28:40 GMT -6
I'm really curious what it is. . Welcome lipase! From what I understand (and I could be and probably am wrong), it's 16 ch of i/o coupled to 16 channels of analog circuitry which can be re-configured in different ways in the analog world to become different types of compressors - all of which is controllable and recallable from the plugin.
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Post by superwack on Feb 3, 2019 11:45:42 GMT -6
I don’t think it’s anything like the Antelope. It’s not an interface it’s an analog processing box that only has digital inputs. It uses reconfigurable analog circuit blocks to become actual compressors, limiters, saturators not to emulate them and it has NO DSP - it’s analog (it is expensive though)
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Post by lipaz on Feb 4, 2019 10:39:40 GMT -6
I don’t think it’s anything like the Antelope. It’s not an interface it’s an analog processing box that only has digital inputs. Exactly that is what I have written if you read it. FPGA box without I/O etc. Even without digital I/O. Thunderbolt 2-3 is more than enough to deliver signal in and out. Those who know difference between DSP and FPGA will understand taht it’s not hard to imagine a box that has dedicated circuitboard built according to old analog processors, may contain more than 4-5 of analog circuits. And you can reprogram, rearrange them via plugins. But the processing happens in analog domain after the box receives and converts digital signal to analog and back. With near zero latency. I think this can be the future. For those who might know RME interfaces. They have this ciol routing matrix that allows you to assign any input to any output. Via their application called Totalmix. And I love it. They have it for more than a decade. Antelope can do the same. Actually both happens via field-programmable gate array. So, I’m still waiting for company’s confirmation. Cheers
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Post by MorEQsThanAnswers on Feb 5, 2019 0:13:57 GMT -6
I have a theory...
Things we know:
-These chips are reacting to CV sent via Thunderbolt from the plugins.
-The hardware specs on the website boast "multiple analog saturation circuits."
-As of now (2/4/19), I only see compressor/limiter plugins announced. In the interviews I've seen, he didn't specifically mention that any EQ's were coming. Just "compressors, limiters, signal saturators, and mixers." It's possible "mixer" meant a type of "channel strip" but for now I think he's limited to dynamic control and saturation.
What if...
The chips only do ONE thing: level adjustment? If each plug-in generates unique time constants that define the way that compressor is supposed to operate, combining that movement with one or a blend of these saturation circuits would create a "compressor profile"
ehh?
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Post by sirthought on Feb 5, 2019 4:34:52 GMT -6
That's not an unreasonable line of thought.
If you look at a software plugin like Newfangled Audio's EQuviocate, it's listed as a multi-band EQ, but the developer seems to have revealed that it is sort of mis-labeled...less about actual EQ than multi-band gain compression, but it's able to control filtering high and low frequencies in various ways. (I don't understand this, but that's what I got from a GS thread.)
Maybe this McDSP will tackle EQ in a similar approach???
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Post by brucerothwell on Feb 7, 2019 14:17:04 GMT -6
Just watched that NAMM video. They shouldn't give cocaine to gear nerds... He's always been that way.... just part of his charm.
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Post by brucerothwell on Feb 7, 2019 15:25:44 GMT -6
I still think the combination of the Metric Halo interface + embedded plugins/DSP processing is hard to beat.
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Post by miscend on Mar 5, 2019 22:16:15 GMT -6
I'm really curious what it is. Because at this point I can only guess according to the limited information they presented. Part of the hype-generator flux condenser machine of any marketing department. If they reinvented something that e.g. Antelope Audio has been done already (FPGA fx), then I'll be a bit sad. FPGA is not DSP and doesn't require analog I/O. Mitigates the delay. I had a chance to test a Discrete 8 few weeks ago which has brilliant mic-pres, and the FPGA fx was something I've never heard before in terms of clarity and sound. User is able to use it within the factory controller or within the DAW as a plugin (rack). You can have 8 channels of 4 plugins as inserts (you can choose from 50+ vintage modelled plugin). No, it is not UAD similar DSP, because the programming of these plugins are different. You can be more precise in modelling. Unfortunately I had to send it back to reseller because Antelope's current software controller is unstable, I couldn't rely on it. That's a shame, because the hardware is brilliant, a piece of art. If mcDSP claims that everything will be programmable and you can use it in this similar way with a good converter, then I can't think about anything else but an upgraded, hopefully more stable version of e.g. aforementioned interface, but without I/Os, pres. Like a 16-core UAD Thunderbolt Satellite but with all the superior FPGA fx features against DSP programmed plugins. That would be wonderful. One step closer to the future; how I imagine a flexible hybrid studio in 2030. That being said the price can be anywhere from 4-5k USD up to 10k USD. Really depends how greedy they are as pioneers currently. Whether they want to milk the pro cows with less gear or they want to sell more units on affordable price for semi-pros and lower the margin. As for the 32bit DAC, confusing and doesn't exists in this term... well, it existed for 35000 USD but it was really unnecessary (Platinum Studio Plus), and 24-bit covers everything you can/may need to hear. Today's UAD Apollo X or aApogee Symphony is more than enough from THD, SNR, dynamics perspective. 32-bit filtering does exist however, so they maybe referred to 32-bit internal processing, but that is different. They should be more precise saying that.I hardly can wait for more information (release date, specs, plugins), and the price of course. Because this thing may reduce number of gears in studio if every hoped feature comes together. A 16ch summing box controlled from any DAW with great plugins without delay and without CPU usage (hopefully not PT centric as prayed before in a comment)... just add a 2-channels hi-end converter on top of that and everything is done ITB with pro result for a composer who doesn't work with musicians/band in live. It's not related to FPGAs in anyway. McDSP say they are using discrete analogue circuitry. FPGAs are still digital.
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