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Post by Quint on Jan 12, 2019 0:27:00 GMT -6
Well I'm still not certain if I would ultimately want the Stamchild or not, but it still might be a purchase decision I would ultimately choose to make, for the exact reason you mentioned about being able to resell it later. $1500 is a nice savings any way you slice it. If I didn't decide to get the Stamchild, I'm thinking of using one 50% discount to pick up the 76ADG for $400 ($800/2), picking up the SA23 at the advertised $790 price for delayed customers, and then holding onto the other 50% discount for some future purchase of a yet to be determined product. Or possibly just using the second 50% discount to grab the SA23A for $545 ($1090/2) and just be done with it. There are no more 'delayed' customer prices, he sent the 50% off on your next purchase offer in lieu of the delayed pricing options, they've been removed. I'll preface my response by saying that I appreciate these sort of discounts. Frankly, they're warranted given everything that has happened. That being said, WTF? Why is it so hard for Stam to deliver comprehensive, precise, and final messages/responses? In a 24 hour period, at least two different discount offers were made, and now apparently one is no longer on the table. There is so much unnecessary confusion created by the imprecise posts made by Stam. It's communication 101. Geez.... Maybe the email backlog is due, at least in part, to the unnecessarily confusing posts by Stam? All that being said, I guess maybe I should use this opportunity to get some confirmation on what I previously thought was understood. Josh, please explain the current discount situation. There is some definite ambiguity and confusion going on.
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Post by Quint on Jan 12, 2019 0:53:25 GMT -6
Nevermind
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 12, 2019 0:54:41 GMT -6
I think they still running pretty hard,but that it will work out.
I tend to like to get 2 units unless the single box is stereo so the savings is appreciated.
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Post by deehope on Jan 13, 2019 21:36:42 GMT -6
I'm a little confused on how this differs from say the Chroma? You have 2 different styles of preamp in the same box but you cant use them both at the same time. Or am I wrong? Sorry. That just doesn't make sense to me - any more the putting a 2a and 1176 in one box or a DBX and an 1176 in one box. I have great 2a's and 3a's and I use them all the time - but for different things. I don't get the correlation of putting both in one box and switching between other than they were both Urei's and both ended in a's. Or that one was the descendant of the other. I use em for two different things, and I generally need both during a mix. Which would necessitate I buy more of the above. Which would (presumably) cost more for the dual architecture, and almost certainly be sub standard in terms of design. There's a lot of **** in those things, and they don't all share components easily. I guess my mindset just doesn't line up.... If I need a 2a AND a 3a - simultaneously for mixing - I'd have to buy two and the internal architecture is wasted on extra parts I don't need. I suppose for the guy only needing one....
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Post by drbill on Jan 13, 2019 23:55:09 GMT -6
I'm a little confused on how this differs from say the Chroma? You have 2 different styles of preamp in the same box but you cant use them both at the same time. Or am I wrong? Sorry. That just doesn't make sense to me - any more the putting a 2a and 1176 in one box or a DBX and an 1176 in one box. I have great 2a's and 3a's and I use them all the time - but for different things. I don't get the correlation of putting both in one box and switching between other than they were both Urei's and both ended in a's. Or that one was the descendant of the other. I use em for two different things, and I generally need both during a mix. Which would necessitate I buy more of the above. Which would (presumably) cost more for the dual architecture, and almost certainly be sub standard in terms of design. There's a lot of **** in those things, and they don't all share components easily. I guess my mindset just doesn't line up.... If I need a 2a AND a 3a - simultaneously for mixing - I'd have to buy two and the internal architecture is wasted on extra parts I don't need. I suppose for the guy only needing one.... Hey deehope - That’s a fair assessment, but to be honest, Chroma a little more than just an API or Neve preamp. There are other features that can be used alongside whichever preamp you choose - EQ’s of different types, Filters, several Compressors, Saturation FX, Neve or API line cards for thickening, etc., etc.. You can “double up” / “triple up” functions on Chroma (such as Mic pre, Compressor, EQ/Filter simultaneously), but you are correct in your observation that the mic preamp itself is “either / or” — API or Neve - although with a line card opposite your mic pre you can double up API/Neve or Neve/API signal paths. We wanted to take a different path with Chroma than we did with the Silver Bullet and offer it's expandability via the Colour slot so that people can choose their path themselves. Hey....there’s only so much you can fit inside a 500 series and the API and Neve circuitry for the mic amp share no Transformers or OpAmps, etc.. They are independent, and the unit is PACKED!! As for my comment on the 2a/3a thing….I kind of thought I was obvious. I’m more of a “one unit one box” kind of guy and it struck me as odd to have those 2 compressors (which I love and use constantly and simultaneously for different mix duties) in the same box. When I choose a mic amp, I’m going to choose one or the other. When I start mixing, I'm almost certainly going to need both. My 23a comments (IMO) were not really a criticism of the 23a, but a callout that it is a “miss” for me personally since I believe both of the individual 2a / 3a models have been discontinued or are in the process of being discontinued - and there's no way you can do both justice in one box at an identical price point of one in one box. My preference is that I would rather pay a bit more and have both available at the same time while mixing. But I totally get how it could be just the ticket for others - especially for tracking. You may see Chroma as a similar beast, but to me, it feels quite different in application and use. Cheers, bp
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Post by avgatzeblouz on Jan 14, 2019 8:44:37 GMT -6
I felt the same as DrBill, but when realizing the SA23 is the same price as SA2A, it seems just like a winning situation. Instead of dropping 1k$ on a 2A, you drop 1k$ on a 2A that can do more. Than why not ? That is, if they indeed are exactly sounding and behaving as seperate 2A and 3A. And it seems the input transformer is a Sowter on the 23A, and it is a Cinemag on the 3A.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 14, 2019 8:55:35 GMT -6
I felt the same as DrBill, but when realizing the SA23 is the same price as SA2A, it seems just like a winning situation. Instead of dropping 1k$ on a 2A, you drop 1k$ on a 2A that can do more. Than why not ? That is, if they indeed are exactly sounding and behaving as seperate 2A and 3A. And it seems the input transformer is a Sowter on the 23A, and it is a Cinemag on the 3A. Still, if he's saying that both compressors are totally independent circuits in the box, why not either add a second meter (or make it switchable) and a second set of jacks on the back. Bump the price an extra $100 and now you've got 2 compressors.
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Post by avgatzeblouz on Jan 14, 2019 8:57:22 GMT -6
I felt the same as DrBill, but when realizing the SA23 is the same price as SA2A, it seems just like a winning situation. Instead of dropping 1k$ on a 2A, you drop 1k$ on a 2A that can do more. Than why not ? That is, if they indeed are exactly sounding and behaving as seperate 2A and 3A. And it seems the input transformer is a Sowter on the 23A, and it is a Cinemag on the 3A. Still, if he's saying that both compressors are totally independent circuits in the box, why not either add a second meter (or make it switchable) and a second set of jacks on the back. Bump the price an extra $100 and now you've got 2 compressors. Now, you're talking !
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Post by stam on Jan 14, 2019 9:24:56 GMT -6
I'm a little confused on how this differs from say the Chroma? You have 2 different styles of preamp in the same box but you cant use them both at the same time. Or am I wrong? Hey deehope - That’s a fair assessment, but to be honest, Chroma a little more than just an API or Neve preamp. There are other features that can be used alongside whichever preamp you choose - EQ’s of different types, Filters, several Compressors, Saturation FX, Neve or API line cards for thickening, etc., etc.. You can “double up” / “triple up” functions on Chroma (such as Mic pre, Compressor, EQ/Filter simultaneously), but you are correct in your observation that the mic preamp itself is “either / or” — API or Neve - although with a line card opposite your mic pre you can double up API/Neve or Neve/API signal paths. We wanted to take a different path with Chroma than we did with the Silver Bullet and offer it's expandability via the Colour slot so that people can choose their path themselves. Hey....there’s only so much you can fit inside a 500 series and the API and Neve circuitry for the mic amp share no Transformers or OpAmps, etc.. They are independent, and the unit is PACKED!! As for my comment on the 2a/3a thing….I kind of thought I was obvious. I’m more of a “one unit one box” kind of guy and it struck me as odd to have those 2 compressors (which I love and use constantly and simultaneously for different mix duties) in the same box. When I choose a mic amp, I’m going to choose one or the other. When I start mixing, I'm almost certainly going to need both. My 23a comments (IMO) were not really a criticism of the 23a, but a callout that it is a “miss” for me personally since I believe both of the individual 2a / 3a models have been discontinued or are in the process of being discontinued - and there's no way you can do both justice in one box at an identical price point of one in one box. My preference is that I would rather pay a bit more and have both available at the same time while mixing. But I totally get how it could be just the ticket for others - especially for tracking. You may see Chroma as a similar beast, but to me, it feels quite different in application and use. Cheers, bp With regards to your comment on the SA23A You can do them justice and we did, there is not much science to it. We use the same transformers and circuit as we did with the SA2A and SA3A There is no difference
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Post by avgatzeblouz on Jan 14, 2019 9:40:46 GMT -6
Hey deehope - That’s a fair assessment, but to be honest, Chroma a little more than just an API or Neve preamp. There are other features that can be used alongside whichever preamp you choose - EQ’s of different types, Filters, several Compressors, Saturation FX, Neve or API line cards for thickening, etc., etc.. You can “double up” / “triple up” functions on Chroma (such as Mic pre, Compressor, EQ/Filter simultaneously), but you are correct in your observation that the mic preamp itself is “either / or” — API or Neve - although with a line card opposite your mic pre you can double up API/Neve or Neve/API signal paths. We wanted to take a different path with Chroma than we did with the Silver Bullet and offer it's expandability via the Colour slot so that people can choose their path themselves. Hey....there’s only so much you can fit inside a 500 series and the API and Neve circuitry for the mic amp share no Transformers or OpAmps, etc.. They are independent, and the unit is PACKED!! As for my comment on the 2a/3a thing….I kind of thought I was obvious. I’m more of a “one unit one box” kind of guy and it struck me as odd to have those 2 compressors (which I love and use constantly and simultaneously for different mix duties) in the same box. When I choose a mic amp, I’m going to choose one or the other. When I start mixing, I'm almost certainly going to need both. My 23a comments (IMO) were not really a criticism of the 23a, but a callout that it is a “miss” for me personally since I believe both of the individual 2a / 3a models have been discontinued or are in the process of being discontinued - and there's no way you can do both justice in one box at an identical price point of one in one box. My preference is that I would rather pay a bit more and have both available at the same time while mixing. But I totally get how it could be just the ticket for others - especially for tracking. You may see Chroma as a similar beast, but to me, it feels quite different in application and use. Cheers, bp With regards to your comment on the SA23A You can do them justice and we did, there is not much science to it. We use the same transformers and circuit as we did with the SA2A and SA3A There is no difference Hey Josh, your website states a Sowter input for the SA23A and a Cinemag on the SA3A. Replica of the same transfo by a different company, I guess ?
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Post by drbill on Jan 14, 2019 11:26:02 GMT -6
Hey deehope - That’s a fair assessment, but to be honest, Chroma a little more than just an API or Neve preamp. There are other features that can be used alongside whichever preamp you choose - EQ’s of different types, Filters, several Compressors, Saturation FX, Neve or API line cards for thickening, etc., etc.. You can “double up” / “triple up” functions on Chroma (such as Mic pre, Compressor, EQ/Filter simultaneously), but you are correct in your observation that the mic preamp itself is “either / or” — API or Neve - although with a line card opposite your mic pre you can double up API/Neve or Neve/API signal paths. We wanted to take a different path with Chroma than we did with the Silver Bullet and offer it's expandability via the Colour slot so that people can choose their path themselves. Hey....there’s only so much you can fit inside a 500 series and the API and Neve circuitry for the mic amp share no Transformers or OpAmps, etc.. They are independent, and the unit is PACKED!! As for my comment on the 2a/3a thing….I kind of thought I was obvious. I’m more of a “one unit one box” kind of guy and it struck me as odd to have those 2 compressors (which I love and use constantly and simultaneously for different mix duties) in the same box. When I choose a mic amp, I’m going to choose one or the other. When I start mixing, I'm almost certainly going to need both. My 23a comments (IMO) were not really a criticism of the 23a, but a callout that it is a “miss” for me personally since I believe both of the individual 2a / 3a models have been discontinued or are in the process of being discontinued - and there's no way you can do both justice in one box at an identical price point of one in one box. My preference is that I would rather pay a bit more and have both available at the same time while mixing. But I totally get how it could be just the ticket for others - especially for tracking. You may see Chroma as a similar beast, but to me, it feels quite different in application and use. Cheers, bp With regards to your comment on the SA23A You can do them justice and we did, there is not much science to it. We use the same transformers and circuit as we did with the SA2A and SA3A There is no difference Understood. I think. My point was different than that.
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Post by drbill on Jan 14, 2019 11:27:26 GMT -6
I felt the same as DrBill, but when realizing the SA23 is the same price as SA2A, it seems just like a winning situation. Instead of dropping 1k$ on a 2A, you drop 1k$ on a 2A that can do more. Than why not ? That is, if they indeed are exactly sounding and behaving as seperate 2A and 3A. And it seems the input transformer is a Sowter on the 23A, and it is a Cinemag on the 3A. Still, if he's saying that both compressors are totally independent circuits in the box, why not either add a second meter (or make it switchable) and a second set of jacks on the back. Bump the price an extra $100 and now you've got 2 compressors. That was kinda my point as well. If there are two separate compressors, access both of em simultaneously!!
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Post by drumhead57 on Jan 16, 2019 18:32:40 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 17, 2019 7:34:11 GMT -6
But didn't Stam indicate one can keep the 50% offer until needed ?
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Post by Quint on Jan 17, 2019 7:39:47 GMT -6
But didn't Stam indicate one can keep the 50% offer until needed ? He did, which is why I'm in no hurry and will wait to see what else he comes out with, though I've been looking hard at the 23A, Stamchild, and now the 609. Didn't Josh say somewhere recently that he had five new products coming out? If the 23A and 23A+ are two of them, the 609 would be the third. I wonder what the other two will be?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 17, 2019 7:52:18 GMT -6
But didn't Stam indicate one can keep the 50% offer until needed ? He did, which is why I'm in no hurry and will wait to see what else he comes out with, though I've been looking hard at the 23A, Stamchild, and now the 609. Didn't Josh say somewhere recently that he had five new products coming out? If the 23A and 23A+ are two of them, the 609 would be the third. I wonder what the other two will be? 800.
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Post by Quint on Jan 17, 2019 7:57:18 GMT -6
He did, which is why I'm in no hurry and will wait to see what else he comes out with, though I've been looking hard at the 23A, Stamchild, and now the 609. Didn't Josh say somewhere recently that he had five new products coming out? If the 23A and 23A+ are two of them, the 609 would be the third. I wonder what the other two will be? 800. Oh yeah, forgetting about that one. So I guess that's four then. One more to go I guess.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 17, 2019 7:59:59 GMT -6
what about the neumann 57 mike that was referenced a while back ?
api comp or massive passive eq would be cool too ?
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 17, 2019 8:46:04 GMT -6
what about the neumann 57 mike that was referenced a while back ? api comp or massive passive eq would be cool too ? 500 series V72? Didn't I see that somewhere?
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Post by subspace on Jan 17, 2019 10:35:34 GMT -6
But didn't Stam indicate one can keep the 50% offer until needed ? He did, which is why I'm in no hurry and will wait to see what else he comes out with, though I've been looking hard at the 23A, Stamchild, and now the 609. Didn't Josh say somewhere recently that he had five new products coming out? If the 23A and 23A+ are two of them, the 609 would be the third. I wonder what the other two will be? He said 10: Hello Guys, To avoid any confusion and make things simpler for both clients and us we will offer one piece with a 50% discount rate as compensation for all users affected by delays on any future order. We are unable to discount 50% of the existing order due to budget reasons. This includes all users of the SA47, SA67, SA76ADG-F, SA4000, EQP1A, 1073EQ and Fairchild, including those who have already received theirs. You can choose a maximum of one piece with this discount. If you want to take advantage of the low prices of the first 100 on other products you can reserve on the site, we are uploading 10 new units the next few weeks and all of them have a very low intro price. We will start purchasing parts immediately and offer a further compensation if we do not meet our delivery deadline. We are confident our dates are accurate and have given ourselves extra margins in case something is not on time Thanks!!
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Post by stam on Jan 18, 2019 11:55:34 GMT -6
We have 2 new EQ's, 3 new preamps, 1 channel strip and 2 new microphones coming up as well
2 of them will be extremely cheap.
We will put them in line for different months as far as July so they do not overlap and we have enough time to not create delays, I think we are all tired of those and with what we have learned these past years it should not happen.
If it does I will have to compensate everybody and lose a bunch of money but what is fair is fair.
Josh
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Post by subspace on Jan 18, 2019 13:27:27 GMT -6
We have 2 new EQ's, 3 new preamps, 1 channel strip and 2 new microphones coming up as well 2 of them will be extremely cheap. So you're saying it's safe to order a compressor now..
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Post by subspace on Feb 24, 2019 10:34:53 GMT -6
Well the 9000 preamp and 4000 EQ units were the cheap ones, the other two preamps are V72s, 500 mono and stereo rackmount, up on the site now.
I used my 50% off discount to order the Stamchild when it's "in stock" price was $2990, I see it's price has now been raised to $3,500 "in stock" and $2,990 pre-order. I assume the price I ordered it at will still be honored, correct?
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Post by stam on Feb 25, 2019 6:18:31 GMT -6
Yes, it will be honored!
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Post by forgotteng on Mar 18, 2019 23:39:46 GMT -6
This SA609 sounds interesting. I am looking for a stereo comp. I already have the SA4000. I do have a Vintech 609CA but it may be nice to have a different flavor and at that price with my discount Oh boy. Anyone else interested in that piece?
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