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Post by seawell on Jan 4, 2019 22:26:56 GMT -6
Very interesting. I love the look of it! I wonder if it will be something similar to Tim Petherick's Opto3a plug in where it is modeled to be the sound of a 3a but also has a 2a setting with a slower attack time.
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Post by drbill on Jan 4, 2019 22:35:20 GMT -6
I assumed the price point would be kind of ridiculously low like the rest of the stuff...so you’d be getting both for basically the price of one of the others you’d buy. The quality is tbd. One day. You may be right. But he discontinued both the 2a and 3a right? So this is the successor? Seems that no matter how good a deal it is, it's still going to cost more than a simple 2a or 3a alone. If you need both, and only one at a time, it's a great option. If you need both together, even if perfect clones (which Im doubting, cause there is so much different between the 3's and 2's) then it's a lot of waste. That was my point, and certainly not everyone's perspective.
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Post by drbill on Jan 4, 2019 22:36:07 GMT -6
Very interesting. I love the look of it! I wonder if it will be something similar to Tim Petherick's Opto3a plug in where it is modeled to be the sound of a 3a but also has a 2a setting with a slower attack time. Don't know the plug, but sonically, the 3a and 2a are pretty much different sonically on every perspective. That's at least my take on the originals.
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Post by jeromemason on Jan 4, 2019 23:08:59 GMT -6
It's not rocket science as to what he's done.... I've never ordered from him and don't plan to.
But, what he's done is used this business model for a couple of years to generate a large inflow of cash, in which he padded his accounts with. Then you just go over to Mr. Banker Man and say "look, I've had $50k continuously in that account for almost 2 years! I want a $250,000 business loan to go retail" and, he'll get it because he can show on a business plan that his plan works because he's had all that cash on hand and steady revenue. He gets the business loan and goes into hiding for a year building and building inventory and then his retailers announce, he's got stock, he can delay a month just to get logistics and units to the shops and then it's just all about keeping his utilization to 30% on the business line of credit and in a year he can get his line bumped up to say $750k assuming he has strong sales.
Retail is where you can become a millionaire, not doing what he's doing, and if he's not going into retail like I've stated above he's nuts, get yourself twice as much credit as you need and make sure you're never playing catch up, hire more people even. It's just you have to be putting out gear that has the old flavor but has the new ideas, which he seems to do. It's like another manufacturer I spoke with a while back about recreating an iconic piece of gear, but modeling it after mine that I'd modded with new parts and a new approach, be different, because even though your stuff is half of what UA or Neumann is, a company like Klark Teknik comes along and sells theirs for half of what you were getting.
Just my .02
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Post by mulmany on Jan 4, 2019 23:18:32 GMT -6
I was hoping that it was actually a La2a and a 3a in a single 2u or 3u chassis.
Now that I could get behind.
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Post by seawell on Jan 4, 2019 23:21:48 GMT -6
Very interesting. I love the look of it! I wonder if it will be something similar to Tim Petherick's Opto3a plug in where it is modeled to be the sound of a 3a but also has a 2a setting with a slower attack time. Don't know the plug, but sonically, the 3a and 2a are pretty much different sonically on every perspective. That's at least my take on the originals. I agree they sound very different. I'm just wondering if the 2a/3a switch will be more of an attack time adjustment switch than truly having all the guts of the SA-2a and SA-3a crammed in there at the flip of a switch. We'll see. The Sa-2a MkII sounds killer, I haven't heard their take on the 3a yet.
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Post by stam on Jan 5, 2019 10:01:38 GMT -6
Guys
The SA23A will have the same price as the SA2A, 990 USD. The SA3A and SA2A are both inside and are independent from each other, original schematic and their own transformers. Yes, cost will be about 100 USD more to manufacture and it means 100 USD less profit. I can live with that
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Post by stam on Jan 5, 2019 10:06:42 GMT -6
It's not rocket science as to what he's done.... I've never ordered from him and don't plan to. But, what he's done is used this business model for a couple of years to generate a large inflow of cash, in which he padded his accounts with. Then you just go over to Mr. Banker Man and say "look, I've had $50k continuously in that account for almost 2 years! I want a $250,000 business loan to go retail" and, he'll get it because he can show on a business plan that his plan works because he's had all that cash on hand and steady revenue. He gets the business loan and goes into hiding for a year building and building inventory and then his retailers announce, he's got stock, he can delay a month just to get logistics and units to the shops and then it's just all about keeping his utilization to 30% on the business line of credit and in a year he can get his line bumped up to say $750k assuming he has strong sales. Retail is where you can become a millionaire, not doing what he's doing, and if he's not going into retail like I've stated above he's nuts, get yourself twice as much credit as you need and make sure you're never playing catch up, hire more people even. It's just you have to be putting out gear that has the old flavor but has the new ideas, which he seems to do. It's like another manufacturer I spoke with a while back about recreating an iconic piece of gear, but modeling it after mine that I'd modded with new parts and a new approach, be different, because even though your stuff is half of what UA or Neumann is, a company like Klark Teknik comes along and sells theirs for half of what you were getting. Just my .02 We have done pretty much the opposite of this. We have never transferred a deposit from a client into our bank account in case there is ever a need for a refund. I don't touch the money until the unit is delivered and safe. You are right, you do not become a millionaire the way we do things but a lot of families have a stable life because of this business and we get to enjoy making the best gear that we possibly can, every day is a challenge in our office and we value that more than money. We price our units fairly, small profits and use the most expensive and highest quality components we can find in the market, like Sowter transformers, that makes all the difference to us and our customers, we take pride in our sonic achievements, it takes us years of testing and research but once it's done it truly is the best we can offer. Regards
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 5, 2019 10:13:03 GMT -6
Thanks for chiming in Joshua, so plus shipping , but minus, what ever discount might apply due to previous delays: correct ?
Should people just email you directly to confirm discounts ?
Thx !
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 5, 2019 10:22:39 GMT -6
Guys The SA23A will have the same price as the SA2A, 990 USD. The SA3A and SA2A are both inside and are independent from each other, original schematic and their own transformers. Yes, cost will be about 100 USD more to manufacture and it means 100 USD less profit. I can live with that If they're both fully inside, why not add a second set of Jack's and controls, so they can be used independently?
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Post by stam on Jan 5, 2019 10:23:56 GMT -6
I will announce discounts when I am ready with numbers Need to be careful not to go above the line and end up with loss on each sale I will send an email to clients waiting for products with a generous discount Josh
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Post by the other mark williams on Jan 5, 2019 10:55:31 GMT -6
stam Josh, I wanted to let you know I never got my 1073MPA refund from Camila back in mid-December. Sorry to bring it up here, but as it appears you’re reading this thread, I thought I’d contact you this way.
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Post by drbill on Jan 5, 2019 11:00:19 GMT -6
Guys The SA23A will have the same price as the SA2A, 990 USD. The SA3A and SA2A are both inside and are independent from each other, original schematic and their own transformers. Yes, cost will be about 100 USD more to manufacture and it means 100 USD less profit. I can live with that If they're both fully inside, why not add a second set of Jack's and controls, so they can be used independently? <thumbsup> Agreed. Although I'm not sure how you can add either a 3a or 2a for $100.....
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 5, 2019 11:07:19 GMT -6
Sure that makes sense. So, if people have been considering more than 1 item, as a way to redress the delay concern will you be offering one discount on their next order for one item or could the discount apply to multiple items but in just one order? I ask not to be difficult but as I think it would probably be best to tell people exactly how the discount can be applied and to what. Personally, I think one discount on your next order including multiple items, within reason and with you frankly being able to limit that makes sense. . But, a silly example, should a person who has a delay on one item be able to order say 20 things with a discount? I don’t think so but as you are introducing new products now, I can see that clients might want to order multiple items and will likely ask so how does the discount work and lobby you to include multiple items anyway: don’t say I didn’t warn you !
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Post by stormymondays on Jan 5, 2019 11:27:28 GMT -6
stam Josh, I wanted to let you know I never got my 1073MPA refund from Camila back in mid-December. Sorry to bring it up here, but as it appears you’re reading this thread, I thought I’d contact you this way. It took me forever to get a $95 refund but I did get it in the end. I think your best best is to insist with Camila, she's swamped but she seems commited to making things right.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 5, 2019 11:29:29 GMT -6
If you want an SA2A, you can buy one, if you want an SA3A you can buy one, or two. If you buy the SA23, you get the option to print with either one. Let's say you like a 3A on vocals, but the 2A on bass, well, there you go. There is no issue here. The Stamchild is a stereo compressor. If you want two channels of the same compression, get that one.
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Post by stormymondays on Jan 5, 2019 11:36:51 GMT -6
If you want an SA2A, you can buy one, if you want an SA3A you can buy one, or two. Nope, not anymore. They've been discontinued.
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Post by 000 on Jan 5, 2019 11:37:08 GMT -6
Thanks Josh for chiming in - this is exactly as I hoped it would be! Price point is incredible - and the standalone units on these are already known to sound exceptional.
I imagine if both units were to be able to run separately production costs would increase due to what they do share - power supply/pots/etc.
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Post by jeromemason on Jan 5, 2019 11:44:22 GMT -6
It's not rocket science as to what he's done.... I've never ordered from him and don't plan to. But, what he's done is used this business model for a couple of years to generate a large inflow of cash, in which he padded his accounts with. Then you just go over to Mr. Banker Man and say "look, I've had $50k continuously in that account for almost 2 years! I want a $250,000 business loan to go retail" and, he'll get it because he can show on a business plan that his plan works because he's had all that cash on hand and steady revenue. He gets the business loan and goes into hiding for a year building and building inventory and then his retailers announce, he's got stock, he can delay a month just to get logistics and units to the shops and then it's just all about keeping his utilization to 30% on the business line of credit and in a year he can get his line bumped up to say $750k assuming he has strong sales. Retail is where you can become a millionaire, not doing what he's doing, and if he's not going into retail like I've stated above he's nuts, get yourself twice as much credit as you need and make sure you're never playing catch up, hire more people even. It's just you have to be putting out gear that has the old flavor but has the new ideas, which he seems to do. It's like another manufacturer I spoke with a while back about recreating an iconic piece of gear, but modeling it after mine that I'd modded with new parts and a new approach, be different, because even though your stuff is half of what UA or Neumann is, a company like Klark Teknik comes along and sells theirs for half of what you were getting. Just my .02 We have done pretty much the opposite of this. We have never transferred a deposit from a client into our bank account in case there is ever a need for a refund. I don't touch the money until the unit is delivered and safe. You are right, you do not become a millionaire the way we do things but a lot of families have a stable life because of this business and we get to enjoy making the best gear that we possibly can, every day is a challenge in our office and we value that more than money. We price our units fairly, small profits and use the most expensive and highest quality components we can find in the market, like Sowter transformers, that makes all the difference to us and our customers, we take pride in our sonic achievements, it takes us years of testing and research but once it's done it truly is the best we can offer. Regards Ok well I didn't want to get into a big discussion here about this, it was my opinion, but I wouldn't mislead people by letting them think their deposit goes into some kind of protected escrow account.... You must be a signature on the bank account.... I mean I didn't mean YOU personally, I meant Stam Audio, the entity has just as much if not more power as flesh and blood. If peoples deposits are sitting in an account you control that means you can show that to a banker as revenue for your business, not you personally and I don't think I said you personally. Best of luck! Jerome Mason
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Post by stormymondays on Jan 5, 2019 11:51:25 GMT -6
I think what Joshua means is that they keep all the money in their Paypal account, which is downright scary. While I've never had a problem with Paypal personally, I've read too many horror stories and I always keep a very low balance there.
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Post by jeromemason on Jan 5, 2019 12:03:21 GMT -6
I think what Joshua means is that they keep all the money in their Paypal account, which is downright scary. While I've never had a problem with Paypal personally, I've read too many horror stories and I always keep a very low balance there. Ok, so my PayPal account is a business PayPal account, and it acts just like a bank account, generates reports like one, has a listing with the federal government FDIC etc. I know personally from my own experience, you can allow a banker to access those reports and they're just like showing income with a bank account, treated exactly the same. And you're correct, that money should go into a proper bank account that is protected with a line of credit backing it up etc. I'm not trying to tell someone how to do their business here, I'm the least egotistical person I know, I NEVER get involved politically or like this in threads, I'll happily fall on the sword or eat crow anytime I'm not right on something, but it's still hard to sit back and have someone telling people that the account in which they keep their money in can't be used as collateral or to get a small business loan...... He kind of made it sound like it was in some sort of protected escrow or something and it's important these people understand where their money is.
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Post by 000 on Jan 5, 2019 12:18:07 GMT -6
I think what Joshua means is that they keep all the money in their Paypal account, which is downright scary. While I've never had a problem with Paypal personally, I've read too many horror stories and I always keep a very low balance there. Ok, so my PayPal account is a business PayPal account, and it acts just like a bank account, generates reports like one, has a listing with the federal government FDIC etc. I know personally from my own experience, you can allow a banker to access those reports and they're just like showing income with a bank account, treated exactly the same. And you're correct, that money should go into a proper bank account that is protected with a line of credit backing it up etc. I'm not trying to tell someone how to do their business here, I'm the least egotistical person I know, I NEVER get involved politically or like this in threads, I'll happily fall on the sword or eat crow anytime I'm not right on something, but it's still hard to sit back and have someone telling people that the account in which they keep their money in can't be used as collateral or to get a small business loan...... He kind of made it sound like it was in some sort of protected escrow or something and it's important these people understand where their money is. When was the last time you held any other manufacturer to this type of scrutiny? Should we be asking about where Audioscape keeps his money or Dave from AA? I can’t help but feel like their is some mob mentality here against Stam - and it’s really not great for the forum. Cheers.
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Post by jeromemason on Jan 5, 2019 12:31:16 GMT -6
Ok, so my PayPal account is a business PayPal account, and it acts just like a bank account, generates reports like one, has a listing with the federal government FDIC etc. I know personally from my own experience, you can allow a banker to access those reports and they're just like showing income with a bank account, treated exactly the same. And you're correct, that money should go into a proper bank account that is protected with a line of credit backing it up etc. I'm not trying to tell someone how to do their business here, I'm the least egotistical person I know, I NEVER get involved politically or like this in threads, I'll happily fall on the sword or eat crow anytime I'm not right on something, but it's still hard to sit back and have someone telling people that the account in which they keep their money in can't be used as collateral or to get a small business loan...... He kind of made it sound like it was in some sort of protected escrow or something and it's important these people understand where their money is. When was the last time you held any other manufacturer to this type of scrutiny? Should we be asking about where Audioscape keeps his money or Dave from AA? I can’t help but feel like their is some mob mentality here against Stam - and it’s really not great for the forum. Cheers. I have no affiliation with the others you're talking about. I'm endorsed by Royer, Seismic Audio, Hofa Digital, Izotope and Mojave Microphones. So if there is any thinking I'm saying this to try and cause problems for Stam Audio, that's not the case. In fact, I'm not even trying to do that here, I mean all I am saying is that he's smart to go into retail because that's where you make big money but you have to have things set up behind your business before you do...... If me saying that it's likely he was using the deposit's as collateral or a way to show revenue to get a business line of credit...... well I mean it makes a lot of sense and it's smart, I just hate that some people I know on here have had to wait and they don't get compensated to wait, and one person expecting their gear in a year? I mean if a producer paid me to mix an album without having the masters and PT sessions, well for one hell would freeze over and two he/she'd be blowing my phone up after a week and I'd absolutely HAVE to give them a break if I went over 2 weeks. So I'm not trying to hurt anyone here, I was giving my opinion on something and the owner of this business jumped in and threw a statement out that I felt was a little misleading.... That's all. And, I never ever get into discussions like this and it's for this reason. You can't voice an opinion without being castrated because of an agenda. I'm out, done with the conversation, good luck to Stam and I genuinely hope he does well, and also genuinely hope everyone enjoys their products. Jerome
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Post by pope on Jan 5, 2019 12:55:55 GMT -6
Ok, so my PayPal account is a business PayPal account, and it acts just like a bank account, generates reports like one, has a listing with the federal government FDIC etc. I know personally from my own experience, you can allow a banker to access those reports and they're just like showing income with a bank account, treated exactly the same. And you're correct, that money should go into a proper bank account that is protected with a line of credit backing it up etc. I'm not trying to tell someone how to do their business here, I'm the least egotistical person I know, I NEVER get involved politically or like this in threads, I'll happily fall on the sword or eat crow anytime I'm not right on something, but it's still hard to sit back and have someone telling people that the account in which they keep their money in can't be used as collateral or to get a small business loan...... He kind of made it sound like it was in some sort of protected escrow or something and it's important these people understand where their money is. When was the last time you held any other manufacturer to this type of scrutiny? Should we be asking about where Audioscape keeps his money or Dave from AA? I can’t help but feel like their is some mob mentality here against Stam - and it’s really not great for the forum. Cheers. Well, when you have paid upfront for something you haven't received you kind of want to know what's happening with your money, don't you?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 5, 2019 12:57:09 GMT -6
Ok, so my PayPal account is a business PayPal account, and it acts just like a bank account, generates reports like one, has a listing with the federal government FDIC etc. I know personally from my own experience, you can allow a banker to access those reports and they're just like showing income with a bank account, treated exactly the same. And you're correct, that money should go into a proper bank account that is protected with a line of credit backing it up etc. I'm not trying to tell someone how to do their business here, I'm the least egotistical person I know, I NEVER get involved politically or like this in threads, I'll happily fall on the sword or eat crow anytime I'm not right on something, but it's still hard to sit back and have someone telling people that the account in which they keep their money in can't be used as collateral or to get a small business loan...... He kind of made it sound like it was in some sort of protected escrow or something and it's important these people understand where their money is. When was the last time you held any other manufacturer to this type of scrutiny? Should we be asking about where Audioscape keeps his money or Dave from AA? I can’t help but feel like their is some mob mentality here against Stam - and it’s really not great for the forum. Cheers. I tend to agree with your point about the scrutiny...although the other companies you named have never been a year late on a product or taken money without having the item in stock. But I will determine what’s good and bad for this forum. I don’t need your help with it.
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