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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 4, 2019 21:33:50 GMT -6
John's right. There are many serious scientific studies about music and how it gets popular. Basically, kids want what the other kids think is cool. All marketing people need to do is make great content look cool. They're just not that smart. Of course, some are manipulative media geniuses, but often quite soulless.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 4, 2019 21:56:09 GMT -6
Not everything on Country radio (I think...) is as mind numbing as this...but it does seem that this stuff has been the big seller. I’m not sure I believe that humans are dumber than they were 30,40,60 years ago, I just think the culture doesn’t put as much emphasis on raising the bar as it once did.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 4, 2019 22:51:35 GMT -6
I recently joined a pop country cover band. Here's probably the most offensive song we play. 😂😂
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Post by lcr on Jan 5, 2019 6:42:03 GMT -6
Quint made a very good point. Ice Ice Baby is still selling very well internationally. Does that make it good music? Good hip hop? I actually liked Ice Ice Baby. They can stone me if they like, but I thought it was quite original. And you know, that's the point of all this. I have no problem with Rap whatsoever. I actually like some of it. California Love, Regulate, a lot of Snoop stuff, whatever. But the point of Nashville going rap is simply a desperate money grab, selling out the soul of country to try and stay afloat in an age where music is worthless monetarily. I have a problem with that. MJB is right, if Nashville had stuck to their guns and presented real soulful music to this new generation, it would have settled in. But they chose to take the cheap road, which is the case for most everything these days. The list of sell outs is endless. I respect your appreciation for Ice Ice Baby (to go..) I imagine many hardcore hip hop fans do not and think it was wack. Kind of the same thing thats being dicussed here?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 5, 2019 8:25:29 GMT -6
Whew, that's pretty bad Jesse
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 5, 2019 8:51:59 GMT -6
Whew, that's pretty bad Jesse Horrible. 😂😂 Fun gig though. Getting paid to go out, play some tunes, drink some beers, and watch some babes dancing.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 5, 2019 8:53:05 GMT -6
I respect your appreciation for Ice Ice Baby (to go..) I imagine many hardcore hip hop fans do not and think it was wack. Kind of the same thing thats being dicussed here? This is a perfect analogy.
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Post by lcr on Jan 5, 2019 12:56:55 GMT -6
I respect your appreciation for Ice Ice Baby (to go..) I imagine many hardcore hip hop fans do not and think it was wack. Kind of the same thing thats being dicussed here? This is a perfect analogy. Lol, I guess I hadnt had my coffee when posting this, what I meant to say was “hardcore hop hop fans probably think Ice Ice baby is wack.”
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 5, 2019 14:16:47 GMT -6
This is a perfect analogy. Lol, I guess I hadnt had my coffee when posting this, what I meant to say was “hardcore hop hop fans probably think Ice Ice baby is wack.” I understood that.
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Post by lcr on Jan 5, 2019 18:15:18 GMT -6
Wow, I still F’ed it up.. lol.
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Post by chessparov on Jan 5, 2019 19:18:08 GMT -6
New Country band name... F'ed Express! Chris
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 5, 2019 19:18:15 GMT -6
Whew, that's pretty bad Jesse Horrible. 😂😂 Fun gig though. Getting paid to go out, play some tunes, drink some beers, and watch some babes dancing. I did this in college. I told myself I was making some extra cash. But looking back, I was really only doing it to pull ass.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 5, 2019 19:59:49 GMT -6
Well, that doesn't sound too bad cowboy
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Post by Quint on Jan 6, 2019 7:52:35 GMT -6
What does Garth's success, or any similar person, have to do with what is artistically relevant or GOOD? That's such a bogus argument. When has marketing EVER been an acceptable benchmark for what is actually good? If that's your basis for anything, you're missing the point. I don’t think Wheeler or Kiss or Garth are artistically relevant at all actually - never said they were... Well you were saying that Garth "made his mark", in essence saying that because Wheeler had not had a similar degree of success, his comments about Garth's artistic relevance had no merit. You made the same argument about KISS, as if Gene Simmons being good at marketing somehow equates to artistic relevance. One has nothing to do with the other.
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Post by lcr on Jan 6, 2019 8:50:40 GMT -6
Well, that doesn't sound too bad cowboy Quint, You dont think “The Times they are a Changin’” and “Lick it Up” are on the same artistic level?
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Post by chessparov on Jan 6, 2019 14:30:20 GMT -6
Been studying a number of the the great Country singers. General public isn't aware of him that much today, but Faron Young sounded fantastic! Chris
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Post by Quint on Jan 6, 2019 15:29:59 GMT -6
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Post by donr on Jan 7, 2019 10:36:06 GMT -6
Anything could sell if they put the same amount of marketing behind it. I wonder. Maybe the pressure to conform to a currently fashionable sound is one of audience acceptance and familiarity, as if it's safe to sell something like what's already out there. I listened to bits of 25 or so of Billboard's top 100 last week, most "tunes" had the same progression, the same beat/tempo and similar production, however else they were differentiated. Maroon 5 sounded just like everybody else, even as they were fresh when they first came out. There's so much music out there to listen to, seems like "chart" music is where it's all the same. That didn't used to be as much the case in the past, since the chart music was all you got to hear on radio in the day.
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Post by Ward on Jan 7, 2019 15:26:54 GMT -6
donr, saw them open for The Stones in 2005.... they were a great band then, a remarkable breath of fresh air. Also remarkable how quickly that air went stale... I guess it couldn’t move like Jagger.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jan 9, 2019 12:03:58 GMT -6
Anything could sell if they put the same amount of marketing behind it. I wonder. Maybe the pressure to conform to a currently fashionable sound is one of audience acceptance and familiarity, as if it's safe to sell something like what's already out there. I listened to bits of 25 or so of Billboard's top 100 last week, most "tunes" had the same progression, the same beat/tempo and similar production, however else they were differentiated. Maroon 5 sounded just like everybody else, even as they were fresh when they first came out. There's so much music out there to listen to, seems like "chart" music is where it's all the same. That didn't used to be as much the case in the past, since the chart music was all you got to hear on radio in the day. Marketing isn't all it's cracked up to be. It's all about staying out of the trash basket in programming meetings. That's why the blistering levels and the tendency to not rock the boat. Superstars don't need that to get airplay but too many are chicken.
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Post by christopher on Jan 9, 2019 18:10:35 GMT -6
I will say the pop music makes a night out drinking fun. Once the DJ puts on the kick and the clap, all the dressed made up girls know what to do and head straight to the middle of the floor. And the fact everything is the same song keeps those girls from ever leaving the floor, the bass shakes the place and its so loud you can't think, drinks keep coming, the girls all lip singing those lyrics, all serious like they mean it... start to get crazier and nastier, practically sex on the floor. I'm always just laughing with my wife and friends at how ridiculous it all is. The bar gets a tons of money from that stuff obviously.
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