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Post by Quint on Dec 27, 2018 6:32:24 GMT -6
Yeah that's the album I've got, it is very good. Missed her gig here last year, mustn't let that happen again! I saw her do a solo gig at a theatre here in Austin a few months back. It was awesome. And then saw The Jesus Lizard the day after. Quite different music. Both great though.
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Post by chessparov on Dec 31, 2018 14:00:40 GMT -6
Any other fans of the the "Bakersfield Sound"? Been listening to Merle, and Buck Owens/Buckaroos... Amazing stuff! And those Buck & "Dangerous" Don Rich harmonies-incredible! Chris
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Post by drbill on Dec 31, 2018 14:29:03 GMT -6
A buddy of mine used to play with Buck in the Buckaroo's when he was barely 18. Many cool stories to tell. He's the most well rounded, versatile guitarist I've ever known aside from George Doering who is amazing as well. Good stuff. Jimmy can play anything with strings and virtually any style, but he can really nail that americana bakersfield sound.
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Post by chessparov on Dec 31, 2018 20:19:33 GMT -6
Awesome! Chris
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 2, 2019 19:03:27 GMT -6
Let's go back to the early 80's in country music. Vince Gill was doing pop. So was Restless Heart and a BUNCH of others. The difference between now and then is back then, they were playing a Vince Gill pop song and the next spin was Randy Travis (as country as it gets). I've got no problem whatsoever with new directions. What I have a problem with is everything melding into the SAME direction. Which is our world today. There seems to be no room for individualism in anything.
Sad.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 2, 2019 19:06:54 GMT -6
A buddy of mine used to play with Buck in the Buckaroo's when he was barely 18. Many cool stories to tell. He's the most well rounded, versatile guitarist I've ever known aside from George Doering who is amazing as well. Good stuff. Jimmy can play anything with strings and virtually any style, but he can really nail that americana bakersfield sound. The Bakersfield sound = no bass. To quote the great Buck Owens... "I hate bass". LOL Just a point I wanted to make. I don't really hate bass. Ha
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 2, 2019 19:17:52 GMT -6
So to try create a line in the sand between what is or isn't country is pointless. But there is a line. A clear one. Same as there is for what makes Blues, Blues...Jazz, Jazz etc. There are elements in each distinct genre that are irrefutable. You are right in that they may add to or take away, but the core is always there in each genre of music. Take for instance the fusion in jazz that Paul Hardcastle pulled off. This man IMO was revolutionary. His sound was so distinct yet still had the same elements of jazz of old. When you take a fiddle and a steel guitar out of country music, it loses it's soul. I might be biased because I play both, but that's my opinion. Taking genres in new directions is nothing new and welcomed. But if you want to make nothing but Rap, move to LA or New York I say. Keep Nashville out of it.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 3, 2019 0:50:12 GMT -6
Let's go back to the early 80's in country music. Vince Gill was doing pop. So was Restless Heart and a BUNCH of others. The difference between now and then is back then, they were playing a Vince Gill pop song and the next spin was Randy Travis (as country as it gets). I've got no problem whatsoever with new directions. What I have a problem with is everything melding into the SAME direction. Which is our world today. There seems to be no room for individualism in anything. Sad. Not sure I’d call Vince pop, though...Pocket Full of Gold, Look At Us, Go Rest High...all suuuuuuuuper country even by 90s standards.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 3, 2019 1:18:44 GMT -6
Let's go back to the early 80's in country music. Vince Gill was doing pop. So was Restless Heart and a BUNCH of others. The difference between now and then is back then, they were playing a Vince Gill pop song and the next spin was Randy Travis (as country as it gets). I've got no problem whatsoever with new directions. What I have a problem with is everything melding into the SAME direction. Which is our world today. There seems to be no room for individualism in anything. Sad. Not sure I’d call Vince pop, though...Pocket Full of Gold, Look At Us, Go Rest High...all suuuuuuuuper country even by 90s standards. Those songs he did in the early 90’s when he started turning back towards country. I was referring to the early 80’s stuff like Cinderella, Turn Me Loose etc. Very popish.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 3, 2019 3:22:52 GMT -6
Not sure I’d call Vince pop, though...Pocket Full of Gold, Look At Us, Go Rest High...all suuuuuuuuper country even by 90s standards. Those songs he did in the early 90’s when he started turning back towards country. I was referring to the early 80’s stuff like Cinderella, Turn Me Loose etc. Very popish. Damn - had to look Cinderella up. I actually wrote a couple songs with the guy that wrote that - Reed Neilson. Had no idea. Super nice guy. When I met him he was recovering from something pretty devastating - seems like it was stage 4 cancer or a stroke or something. Wrote a couple of other Vince Gill hits.
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Post by Quint on Jan 3, 2019 4:33:59 GMT -6
So to try create a line in the sand between what is or isn't country is pointless. But there is a line. A clear one. Same as there is for what makes Blues, Blues...Jazz, Jazz etc. There are elements in each distinct genre that are irrefutable. You are right in that they may add to or take away, but the core is always there in each genre of music. Take for instance the fusion in jazz that Paul Hardcastle pulled off. This man IMO was revolutionary. His sound was so distinct yet still had the same elements of jazz of old. When you take a fiddle and a steel guitar out of country music, it loses it's soul. I might be biased because I play both, but that's my opinion. Taking genres in new directions is nothing new and welcomed. But if you want to make nothing but Rap, move to LA or New York I say. Keep Nashville out of it. So Johnny Cash wasn't "country" or didn't have any soul simply because his sound didn't typically include fiddle or steel guitar? That seems a bit rigid. Also, your central argument about there being these "discrete" genres based on certain core elements ignores the fact that much if not nearly all of these genres in western music all sprung up and evolved from the same original starting place. If there was a divergence that created these different genres, why can't there be a reconvergence that combines them together again? So I don't really get how there is a complaint to be made about genres mixing and morphing into one another when they had the same historical point of origin anyway. This sort of thing was bound to happen and has led to some really great stuff over the years, even if the particular flavor of pop-rap-country we're discussing is crap. I understand the type of music that was being vilified as the original point of the thread, and I agree. What passes for modern Nashville "country" these days is garbage. MOST of the popular music out there these days is garbage. I think we just disagree on why it's garbage.
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Post by lcr on Jan 3, 2019 7:14:19 GMT -6
I apologize if Segura and Wheeler offend, please delete If over the “Georgia Line”...
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Post by jeremygillespie on Jan 3, 2019 9:01:10 GMT -6
I apologize if Segura and Wheeler offend, please delete If over the “Georgia Line”... I think Wheeler is pretty funny as a joke, but to say it’s much of anything other than that is a bit silly. He comes off here as a bit of a mopey cry baby bitching about the fact that Garth made money and figured out a way to continue to make money to this day. That’s like saying KISS sucks. Yeah, I think they do too - but they are some of the smartest, richest marketing dudes around. Not defending Garth in any way. I don’t listen to him and know nothing about the dude except for knowing he can turn a pretty decent phrase every now and again. At the end of the day, Garth made his mark and will be remembered. Wheeler will for the most part be forgotten into the ether.
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Post by lcr on Jan 3, 2019 16:29:33 GMT -6
Im off social media for years now, I might sign back up just to follow “g.”
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 3, 2019 17:24:52 GMT -6
Rap and Country's just a bad mix, with Rap wanna be's just looking silly most of the time. Pop and Country, not as bad, but not great or deep by any means. The real issue here is actually the media, they're all so programmed, little originality gets through.
So, young people get exposed to the same no risk/fake risk nonsense and rarely get a chance to hear anything really fresh and good or challenging. It will change, same way it did in the 70's when AM radio was overtaken by FM radio playing deep cuts. Hopefully it'll be soon.
Don't forget, much of the content buying public that also attends concerts and buys merchandise are between 12 and 17 years old.
They'd dig great music if they were exposed to it more often.
It's like the Kardashians, media tries to make them important, it's all self serving.
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Post by Quint on Jan 4, 2019 1:45:18 GMT -6
I apologize if Segura and Wheeler offend, please delete If over the “Georgia Line”... I think Wheeler is pretty funny as a joke, but to say it’s much of anything other than that is a bit silly. He comes off here as a bit of a mopey cry baby bitching about the fact that Garth made money and figured out a way to continue to make money to this day. That’s like saying KISS sucks. Yeah, I think they do too - but they are some of the smartest, richest marketing dudes around. Not defending Garth in any way. I don’t listen to him and know nothing about the dude except for knowing he can turn a pretty decent phrase every now and again. At the end of the day, Garth made his mark and will be remembered. Wheeler will for the most part be forgotten into the ether. What does Garth's success, or any similar person, have to do with what is artistically relevant or GOOD? That's such a bogus argument. When has marketing EVER been an acceptable benchmark for what is actually good? If that's your basis for anything, you're missing the point.
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Post by lcr on Jan 4, 2019 5:17:53 GMT -6
Quint made a very good point. Ice Ice Baby is still selling very well internationally. Does that make it good music? Good hip hop?
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Post by jeremygillespie on Jan 4, 2019 8:18:39 GMT -6
I think Wheeler is pretty funny as a joke, but to say it’s much of anything other than that is a bit silly. He comes off here as a bit of a mopey cry baby bitching about the fact that Garth made money and figured out a way to continue to make money to this day. That’s like saying KISS sucks. Yeah, I think they do too - but they are some of the smartest, richest marketing dudes around. Not defending Garth in any way. I don’t listen to him and know nothing about the dude except for knowing he can turn a pretty decent phrase every now and again. At the end of the day, Garth made his mark and will be remembered. Wheeler will for the most part be forgotten into the ether. What does Garth's success, or any similar person, have to do with what is artistically relevant or GOOD? That's such a bogus argument. When has marketing EVER been an acceptable benchmark for what is actually good? If that's your basis for anything, you're missing the point. I don’t think Wheeler or Kiss or Garth are artistically relevant at all actually - never said they were...
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 4, 2019 9:31:34 GMT -6
Quint made a very good point. Ice Ice Baby is still selling very well internationally. Does that make it good music? Good hip hop? I actually liked Ice Ice Baby. They can stone me if they like, but I thought it was quite original. And you know, that's the point of all this. I have no problem with Rap whatsoever. I actually like some of it. California Love, Regulate, a lot of Snoop stuff, whatever. But the point of Nashville going rap is simply a desperate money grab, selling out the soul of country to try and stay afloat in an age where music is worthless monetarily. I have a problem with that. MJB is right, if Nashville had stuck to their guns and presented real soulful music to this new generation, it would have settled in. But they chose to take the cheap road, which is the case for most everything these days. The list of sell outs is endless.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Jan 4, 2019 13:17:37 GMT -6
I gotta say, if my choice is to stick to my guns and starve, or sell out and put food on the table, bet yer ass I’m selling out.
I’ve worked on stuff in the past that I’m not proud of, in a genre I wanted nothing to do with, but it allowed me to pay my rent and eat for that month, so alls good. It also allows me to make new Contacts and to drum up things I actually am interested in.
Do I have any interest in working with Florida Georgia Line? Hell no! - but I would do it.
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Post by notneeson on Jan 4, 2019 15:25:39 GMT -6
I gotta say, if my choice is to stick to my guns and starve, or sell out and put food on the table, bet yer ass I’m selling out. I’ve worked on stuff in the past that I’m not proud of, in a genre I wanted nothing to do with, but it allowed me to pay my rent and eat for that month, so alls good. It also allows me to make new Contacts and to drum up things I actually am interested in. Do I have any interest in working with Florida Georgia Line? Hell no! - but I would do it. Sort of related: In the chair, I’ve never not found something to appreciate about a project. I tend to get into the process when, most often, I’d never actually listen to any of it for fun.
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Post by lcr on Jan 4, 2019 17:47:31 GMT -6
I gotta say, if my choice is to stick to my guns and starve, or sell out and put food on the table, bet yer ass I’m selling out. I’ve worked on stuff in the past that I’m not proud of, in a genre I wanted nothing to do with, but it allowed me to pay my rent and eat for that month, so alls good. It also allows me to make new Contacts and to drum up things I actually am interested in. Do I have any interest in working with Florida Georgia Line? Hell no! - but I would do it. I would wearing a pink tutu if it paid. Never meant to imply Im not a sell out. Jason Newstead quote about Metallica “sell out? Yeah were sell outs, every arena show”
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 4, 2019 17:55:16 GMT -6
I gotta say, if my choice is to stick to my guns and starve, or sell out and put food on the table, bet yer ass I’m selling out. I’ve worked on stuff in the past that I’m not proud of, in a genre I wanted nothing to do with, but it allowed me to pay my rent and eat for that month, so alls good. It also allows me to make new Contacts and to drum up things I actually am interested in. Do I have any interest in working with Florida Georgia Line? Hell no! - but I would do it. Point taken. I don't do this for a living so I have the liberty to dissent. Many on here don't have that luxury. I get it.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 4, 2019 17:56:52 GMT -6
But I still hate Rap Country.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 4, 2019 19:59:13 GMT -6
Anything could sell if they put the same amount of marketing behind it.
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