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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 17, 2018 11:45:33 GMT -6
This dude is laying down the damn truth...
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Post by matt@IAA on Dec 17, 2018 11:55:57 GMT -6
I haven’t listened to new country music in years but coming from a Texas kid who grew up on everything from Hank to Pat Green that is terrrrrrible.
The Great Homogenizing has spread from pop to rock and country. Sad.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Dec 17, 2018 11:59:31 GMT -6
I don’t doubt there is a ton of talent in Nashville. Folks are completely capable of coming up with something new and interesting - they just keep getting shoved into the corner of making the same boring pop music over and over again. You can’t really blame them.
You can however blame the money hungry record execs and Zumwalts of the industry for where we are now. They aren’t interested in making art, or something even remotely interesting for that matter. As long as their publishing company has the 3 top hits and they all sound the same. Keeps them happy...
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Post by veggieryan on Dec 17, 2018 12:00:23 GMT -6
Wow, great video... had no idea Country had gotten this bad but I guess I should have known given the complete and utter disgrace that is the rest of popular music these days.
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Post by matt@IAA on Dec 17, 2018 12:11:07 GMT -6
The problem is that the market has turned from art to commodity... and by definition commodities are interchangeable.
It takes several listens to get comfortable with a new song. But people have access to so much music and other media that dating process is too long. Songs have to sound familiar or people will switch over to the next one that does. So radio stations are playing less and less new music (or more and more older stuff) and the stuff that does get played sounds more and more generic.
I guess it’ll be like everything else. The commodity market will be there, and then there will be a higher priced specialty market for art. The question I guess will be the relative size of the art market.
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Post by drbill on Dec 17, 2018 13:11:17 GMT -6
Haha. Probably right, but still kind of reminds me of talking with grandpa when I was 20 y/o.
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Post by Blackdawg on Dec 17, 2018 14:14:02 GMT -6
SO TRUE.
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Post by M57 on Dec 17, 2018 14:36:50 GMT -6
I don't get it. What's the difference between a hi-hat on 2 & 4 and snaps on 2 & 4? My grandpa wouldn't approve of either. Hell, it's lot hipper than clapping on every beat. I'm down with snaps.
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Post by johneppstein on Dec 17, 2018 15:01:12 GMT -6
This dude is laying down the damn truth... That crap ain't country. I dunno what exactly it is, maybe some mutant kind of noxious pop with a pasted-on fake twang, b ut it ain't country.
Gotta get the taste of that out mah mouth....
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Post by jeromemason on Dec 17, 2018 15:02:09 GMT -6
I don't think there is anything new about this honestly..... Even if you go back 40 years and listen to multiple genre's you can hear influences from them just like now. Country music is the melting pot of pretty much all music. You can put a ton of styles of music behind a good story and people are going to like it. And, Country music thank God seems to get that people want to hear certain things and I think that's why Country music is the largest selling genre on the planet.
It's cyclical, it'll change and Country will go off into it's own for a while like back in the Alan, George, Garth etc. days. It always does, and it'll be when people get bored of hearing all the snaps and pop influence. I've pretty much taken the line of "if that's what you think will sell records, I'm happy to mix it." I just can't afford to have grand idealistic views anymore, I'm doing this as a living, to support my family and if I want to hear music I personally like, I know where to find it. I know I was one of the biggest "make Country, Country again" guys but I'm in this business to make money and don't have the luxury of not doing something because I would rather it not have an influence of pop. Like I said, Country will go back into it's own little thing again, and it'll be timed exactly on point when people want something new and refreshing.
Just the way I look at it these days fella's.
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Post by johneppstein on Dec 17, 2018 15:14:44 GMT -6
I don't get it. What's the difference between a hi-hat on 2 & 4 and snaps on 2 & 4? My grandpa wouldn't approve of either. Hell, it's lot hipper than clapping on every beat. I'm down with snaps. Not hipper - hipster. Maybe. Or maybe just tasteless.
Not everything needs to be produced like Beyonce. Or whoever.
To answer your specific question "What's wrong...etc." What's wrong is the FEEL. And the attitude. It's like a lifelong city slickler's stereotype of what country music is, based on a one time listening to The Eagles singing "Ole 55".
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Post by chessparov on Dec 17, 2018 15:14:54 GMT -6
Thanks so much John K. for posting this. I just subscribed to that guy's channel-brilliant video.
A big inspirational reinforcement for me lately, was seeing/hearing Richie Furay in concert.
Here's a guy in his 70's still sounding absolutely phenomenal (his daughter too) on vocals, and the rest of his band were top notch. THREE standing ovations, and no Autotune in sight.
Oh yeah, real drums too... Chris
P.S. I hear you John E. and get your point. Still love the Eagles "Ole 55" though, along with Classic stuff like (The Father Of Country Music) Jimmie Rodgers' "'Waiting For A Train".
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 17, 2018 16:35:55 GMT -6
I don't get it. What's the difference between a hi-hat on 2 & 4 and snaps on 2 & 4? My grandpa wouldn't approve of either. Hell, it's lot hipper than clapping on every beat. I'm down with snaps. Use your ears. I’ve often said I have zero problem with the Luke Bryans and FGLs of the world...it’s just that there’s absolutely no variety.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 17, 2018 16:38:10 GMT -6
I don't think there is anything new about this honestly..... Even if you go back 40 years and listen to multiple genre's you can hear influences from them just like now. Country music is the melting pot of pretty much all music. You can put a ton of styles of music behind a good story and people are going to like it. And, Country music thank God seems to get that people want to hear certain things and I think that's why Country music is the largest selling genre on the planet. It's cyclical, it'll change and Country will go off into it's own for a while like back in the Alan, George, Garth etc. days. It always does, and it'll be when people get bored of hearing all the snaps and pop influence. I've pretty much taken the line of "if that's what you think will sell records, I'm happy to mix it." I just can't afford to have grand idealistic views anymore, I'm doing this as a living, to support my family and if I want to hear music I personally like, I know where to find it. I know I was one of the biggest "make Country, Country again" guys but I'm in this business to make money and don't have the luxury of not doing something because I would rather it not have an influence of pop. Like I said, Country will go back into it's own little thing again, and it'll be timed exactly on point when people want something new and refreshing. Just the way I look at it these days fella's. Who said they were turning down work? I’m not. I can shovel shit as well as the next guy. The people in charge have gone from being tastemakers and song people to bean counters and focus groups.
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Post by Blackdawg on Dec 17, 2018 17:03:57 GMT -6
I don't get it. What's the difference between a hi-hat on 2 & 4 and snaps on 2 & 4? My grandpa wouldn't approve of either. Hell, it's lot hipper than clapping on every beat. I'm down with snaps. Use your ears. I’ve often said I have zero problem with the Luke Bryans and FGLs of the world...it’s just that there’s absolutely no variety. I gotta say, ever since country vocals all started sounding the same..i was done. That was like the later 90s though I think. Everyone does the same freakin inflections and sounds the exact same. Country is the desert of music..dry..dull..more of the same waste land.
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Post by M57 on Dec 17, 2018 17:36:21 GMT -6
The feel is fine (for the very first tune). - maybe a little on top of the beat, which is entirely appropriate for the genre - such as it is. And I did mean hipper (and not hipster) than a bunch of people in church clapping on whatever beat they can find (in the video). Geesh, it's not Stravinsky or Coltrane. Who cares? My point.. It's just poppy country music, written for 14 year old girls like all pop music. Sure it's bad, but it could be worse ..couldn't it?? I mean, I'm all for music that teaches people where 2 and 4 are.
..and don't tell me hipsters listen to this - that would knock them down two more ticks on my cool-o-meter.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Dec 17, 2018 19:11:22 GMT -6
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Post by yotonic on Dec 17, 2018 19:52:11 GMT -6
I refuse to book any Artist who does this sort of material. There are plenty of good ones out there. I just had Ashley McBryde play Saturday night and she rocked the house. As a venue owner I won't partake in selling garbage to the public. The Agents keep pitching it to me and I keep taking a walk.
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Post by chessparov on Dec 17, 2018 21:19:39 GMT -6
And on the Seven (Zillionith) Day... God created Americana! (to help shelter REAL Country Music) Chris
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Post by jeromemason on Dec 17, 2018 22:41:02 GMT -6
I don't think there is anything new about this honestly..... Even if you go back 40 years and listen to multiple genre's you can hear influences from them just like now. Country music is the melting pot of pretty much all music. You can put a ton of styles of music behind a good story and people are going to like it. And, Country music thank God seems to get that people want to hear certain things and I think that's why Country music is the largest selling genre on the planet. It's cyclical, it'll change and Country will go off into it's own for a while like back in the Alan, George, Garth etc. days. It always does, and it'll be when people get bored of hearing all the snaps and pop influence. I've pretty much taken the line of "if that's what you think will sell records, I'm happy to mix it." I just can't afford to have grand idealistic views anymore, I'm doing this as a living, to support my family and if I want to hear music I personally like, I know where to find it. I know I was one of the biggest "make Country, Country again" guys but I'm in this business to make money and don't have the luxury of not doing something because I would rather it not have an influence of pop. Like I said, Country will go back into it's own little thing again, and it'll be timed exactly on point when people want something new and refreshing. Just the way I look at it these days fella's. Who said they were turning down work? I’m not. I can shovel shit as well as the next guy. The people in charge have gone from being tastemakers and song people to bean counters and focus groups. Lol well I surely hope you didn't derive I was pointing my response at you. You know better than that. I don't think it's all shit though, I mean I do enjoy seeing my daughter and wife singing along to some of the pop country female stuff I've done, they love it. I really think that part of the genre isn't going anywhere (anytime soon anyways) but I do think we are going to start seeing some more of the artistic and story telling music coming back in, there's room for it all in the Country genre. I honestly believe that's what the labels want, they want it all under the hat of Country and they're doing a damn good job at making that happen. I'm grateful honestly they're smart enough to have an eclectic catalog of music for every listener out there. It means more work for guys like you and me. As long as it's pumped out of this town guys like you and me will be making money. At least that's how I see it.
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Post by chessparov on Dec 17, 2018 22:54:39 GMT -6
I would hazard a guess though, within the music you work on...
You're hearing "more original" productions, compared to what we heard on that video. At least I hope so! With all due respect, I'm not so sure about "the labels" part of your post. But you and John K. know a lot more about this, than I do. Chris
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Post by lcr on Dec 18, 2018 4:44:16 GMT -6
Umm... I really like Chris Stapleton, is that acceptable?
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Post by lcr on Dec 18, 2018 5:29:37 GMT -6
I think “g” Garth Brooks set the cheese bar pretty high. Tom Segura (comedian) pokes fun quite regularly at “g”. I remember being a kid and thinking “radio country is wack, Garth is corny, but the old stuff is cool” I was never really exposed to country other than sifting thru the dials and TV. Then he did that psycho Gaines thing, which Segura claims has been wiped from existence? The cheese has been around for years. But thats just my opinion. People obviously like “g” and also like the current 808 stuff. I like modern pop, always liked pop, I think the country versions is like bad songs in the genre (mentioned in the video) but thats just my opinion, and Im old.
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Post by sirthought on Dec 18, 2018 5:39:46 GMT -6
The one artist that he uses in the video as an example of good country music is a guy I actually know named Tyler Childers. I have no idea if he's on radio or very popular, but we book him at local festivals and he has an awesome voice and writes some incredible country songs. I often think if I could find 20 or 30 more of him I'd actually like to book a country music festival for actual country music.
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Post by matt@IAA on Dec 18, 2018 9:36:23 GMT -6
There’s still good country being made. Guys like Red Shahan hold it down.
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