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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 9, 2018 14:36:40 GMT -6
I've never actually careful compared them side by side, even though I have them both. I'd give a quick listen, and choose the Little Plate. Perhaps it's because I use the 7th Heaven as my main reverb, I use the plate verb on my 2nd Aux. I do love the EMT-140 o acoustic guitars when I'm looking for that live Renaissance Classical guitar sound, (think Scarboro Fair), but I haven't done any tracks lately to see how the Little Plate compares.
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Post by Guitar on Dec 9, 2018 16:09:18 GMT -6
I think the UAD plate has a little more body to it, the Sound Toys plate is slightly tighter and a little more open maybe. I don't know if those words make sense but that's kind of what I heard. I could use either one in most cases.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Dec 9, 2018 17:38:21 GMT -6
Are you guys putting OW on an aux in remic mode? I don't use remic mode on an aux but I guess one could. I prefer reverb mode for busses, then turn on all the mics, adjust the distances, yhen send all tracks in a project to that one buss in different amounts to suit the song. Instant "recorded in the same room" sound.
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Post by indiehouse on Dec 9, 2018 18:42:04 GMT -6
Are you guys putting OW on an aux in remic mode? I don't use remic mode on an aux but I guess one could. I prefer reverb mode for busses, then turn on all the mics, adjust the distances, yhen send all tracks in a project to that one buss in different amounts to suit the song. Instant "recorded in the same room" sound. I guess I’ve always heard that the magic is in the remic mode with this plug.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 9, 2018 20:00:17 GMT -6
Been using the dbx160 tracking bass the last couple of days and I love it.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 9, 2018 20:00:53 GMT -6
Now I'll have to retry the Ocean Way, ugh... Cowboycoalminer's tracks have fooled me one time, I actually thought he went to a big studio.
Johnkenn said, "Been using the dbx160 tracking bass the last couple of days and I love it".
Hardware or plug-in?
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Dec 9, 2018 20:22:57 GMT -6
I don't use remic mode on an aux but I guess one could. I prefer reverb mode for busses, then turn on all the mics, adjust the distances, yhen send all tracks in a project to that one buss in different amounts to suit the song. Instant "recorded in the same room" sound. I guess I’ve always heard that the magic is in the remic mode with this plug. I'll use re mic mode sometimes too. Mostly on drums but sometimes on stereo acoustic, piano, organ. About anything stereo in mix. But I use it as an insert that way.
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Post by indiehouse on Dec 10, 2018 6:16:24 GMT -6
I guess I’ve always heard that the magic is in the remic mode with this plug. I'll use re mic mode sometimes too. Mostly on drums but sometimes on stereo acoustic, piano, organ. About anything stereo in mix. But I use it as an insert that way. . In which way do you use it most often?
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Post by donr on Dec 10, 2018 9:30:13 GMT -6
Been using the dbx160 tracking bass the last couple of days and I love it. A dbx160 is a good piece to learn how to use a compressor. The LED for above and below comp threshold is informative relative to the amount of gain reduction you're hearing and see on the meter.
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Post by wiz on Dec 10, 2018 15:29:42 GMT -6
Been using the dbx160 tracking bass the last couple of days and I love it. A dbx160 is a good piece to learn how to use a compressor. The LED for above and below comp threshold is informative relative to the amount of gain reduction you're hearing and see on the meter. I love my 160VU just tickle the lead on snare.... cheers Wiz
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Post by Guitar on Dec 10, 2018 15:35:45 GMT -6
I use the NI/Softube VC 160 on kick and snare... it's just so good!
great bass comp sometimes as well as mentioned. I use a DBX 560A.
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Post by brenta on Dec 10, 2018 16:14:08 GMT -6
I’m not crazy about the Ocean Way. It’s easier to dial in a usable sound than altiverb but altiverb sounds “realer” to me when I get a good one dialed in. These days i’m loving the softube TSAR when I want a realish sounding room, but I don’t see many people talking about it on forums.
I’ve got something like 12 plate reverbs including the soundtoys little plate. The UAD 140 was my go to plate until I got the waves abbey road plate. I love the abbey road but it uses so much CPU that I can only use it on smaller sessions.
I still use the lexicon lxp verbs a lot. I don’t think they sound the best but they trigger an emotional nostalgic response in me probably because when I was growing up I listened to so many albums that used lexicon verbs.
My favorite UAD stuff is probably the Neve 1073 , ampex and studer tape, and pretty much all of the compressors. Other Neve plugins I’ve compared don’t really come close. I haven’t tried anything that sounds like the ampex, and I don’t care that it doesn’t sound exactly like an actual ampex machine.
I’ll probably buy the UAD api 2500 this month. I’ve got the waves version which is fantastic as long as you aren’t worried about it sounding exactly like the hardware. I think I can find a use for both of them since they sound different.
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Post by Mister Chase on Dec 10, 2018 20:21:56 GMT -6
I use the NI/Softube VC 160 on kick and snare... it's just so good! great bass comp sometimes as well as mentioned. I use a DBX 560A. I dig my 560a's, too. Good comps. I think I got the pair for a hundo. Crazy.
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Post by sozocaps on Dec 11, 2018 10:10:34 GMT -6
Been using the dbx160 tracking bass the last couple of days and I love it. ... Attachments:
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 11, 2018 12:32:18 GMT -6
r both the stam mki ?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 11, 2018 23:02:40 GMT -6
The 160 is fantastic, a very distinct and truly useable sound. Get another one and try it on the 2 bus, it's seriously good.
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Post by viciousbliss on Dec 12, 2018 10:28:59 GMT -6
Anyone tried that new DFC channel strip? That is being overshadowed by the 480 but it is way more useful than I expected. Goes really well with the Weiss DS-1. Smooth eq changes, dynamic eq that seems to work without being obvious, compression and limiting without mucking things up, a gate that actually makes stuff sound good, and maybe the most natural stereo width control I've heard. I'm not cranking anything to the extreme. The Harrison eq was also quite good and unique. I started using 1176 A. It's a bit warmer sounding than the AE. The Century Channel, Neve 88, Precision Channel Strip, SSL Bus, and Chandler Curve bender are all top notch. The 33609 is a pretty big step above the Lindell 254 and Waves V-Comp. I think those were touted as alternatives. The UAD 2500 sounds thicker and wider than the Waves at the same settings. Definitely a significant amount more bass presence. Reminds of the differences between the new 1176 and the Legacy or the CL1B MKII and the old one. I think out of everything I used on the master, I liked the DFC results best.
The Tsar-1 with me tweaking its 224 presets sounds like a cleaner, wider version of the 224.
I forget if I said so here or not, but the 610-B is great for pumping up and smoothing out a source. I'm pretty sure I like it better than the Helios. Jantex had told me the Helios set a new standard and he rarely reached for the Zener after that. There's a lot of worthwhile offerings from UAD, but the sharc limitation is a bit frustrating. Still, it will allow me to run several aMS or 480, Ocean Way, 610-B, Precision stuff, a few 1176, and a DFC on the master. And if I had the Harrison or 224, I could have even more flexibility. If UAD had native versions or if Octos were about 10x cheaper, I'd be more inclined to collect more so I could use more UAD on individual tracks. For now, I couldn't see myself doing a ton of plugin swapping. I'll probably want to use OW, 1176, 480, AMS 16, and the DFC on everything.
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Post by sozocaps on Dec 12, 2018 11:40:43 GMT -6
Yea I think so.... why need an upgrade to them?
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 12, 2018 12:51:24 GMT -6
I was curious about what you prefer about them, presuming you do ? thx !
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Dec 13, 2018 17:17:56 GMT -6
I'll use re mic mode sometimes too. Mostly on drums but sometimes on stereo acoustic, piano, organ. About anything stereo in mix. But I use it as an insert that way. . In which way do you use it most often? Reverb mode on every mix. So reverb I guess. For sources in remic Mode, I've found recording things dead and dry as can be works best. Otherwise, the "room" sounds work against each other in the mix. Prob why most don't like it.
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Post by nick8801 on Dec 13, 2018 18:14:38 GMT -6
My room is pretty dry which is exactly why the ocean way works. Gives a little air around things when I need it.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 16, 2018 9:22:18 GMT -6
John, you've had enough gear to know where the new Apollo's converters fit in. Earlier you mentioned they were closer to Dangerous Music's approach than Burl's, which is cool. Do you still feel the converters can hang with the big boys?
For a long time I've weighed the idea of getting separate converters and just keeping my Apollo. But all along, I preferred a one box solution. Maybe next month I'll try to manage a switch from Mk II to MkIII
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 16, 2018 14:03:55 GMT -6
John, you've had enough gear to know where the new Apollo's converters fit in. Earlier you mentioned they were closer to Dangerous Music's approach than Burl's, which is cool. Do you still feel the converters can hang with the big boys? For a long time I've weighed the idea of getting separate converters and just keeping my Apollo. But all along, I preferred a one box solution. Maybe next month I'll try to manage a switch from Mk II to MkIII I’m sure there are converters that sound better, but the X sounds good enough and translates well enough for my tastes. I think the goal was transparency.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 16, 2018 16:46:02 GMT -6
Well, you've got great taste and lots of experience, so if you're OK with the new Apollo, I probably will be too.
Transparency is one of the main issues I had. The Mk I and II have a bit of a wall between you and the soundstage. From the few things I've heard done with the new Apollo, it's much better now.
Since I was confident enough in my Apollo 8 to do my album with it, the new one will probably be enough to actually keep me happy.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 16, 2018 17:48:58 GMT -6
Well, you've got great taste and lots of experience, so if you're OK with the new Apollo, I probably will be too. Transparency is one of the main issues I had. The Mk I and II have a bit of a wall between you and the soundstage. From the few things I've heard done with the new Apollo, it's much better now. Since I was confident enough in my Apollo 8 to do my album with it, the new one will probably be enough to actually keep me happy. Well, you've got great taste and lots of experience, so if you're OK with the new Apollo, I probably will be too. Transparency is one of the main issues I had. The Mk I and II have a bit of a wall between you and the soundstage. From the few things I've heard done with the new Apollo, it's much better now. Since I was confident enough in my Apollo 8 to do my album with it, the new one will probably be enough to actually keep me happy. Man, I really like it. I was coming from the Symphony II, so I didn’t have the BF to compare...but put it this way. I never really considered using the pres on the way in because I just didn’t think they sound as good as my HW. The Helios truly sounds as good as some of my outboard pres without any of the telltale zing of most ICs. Also, I don’t remember the compressors sounding this good on the way in either. And double that for the Amp sims. Maybe Drew @ UA can tell us if it’s just the new conversion that’s making that happen. I think I’ve said this previously in this thread, but I thought in comparison to the Symphony II, the SII might have sounded a little more “pleasing” because of the rolled top, but I’ve found the X to translate better. And we are talking small differences here. I’ve really kind of leaned heavily on UAD plugs in my last dozen mixes and I haven’t even come close to maxing out. Talking 30 ish tracks. My only complaint with the BF was the conversion and I really feel like that’s top notch now. Might a Convert 2 or Solaris “sound” better? Wouldn’t doubt it, but this is really floating my boat. Just FYI, I asked on the UAD forum if anyone had both the x8 and x16 and their thoughts about the DA differences. A guy tested his back and forth and said he “might” have thought the 16 was a tiny bit tighter in the bottom, but he said he could attribute it to confirmation bias. That’s honestly what I would expect - not a huge real world difference.
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