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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Dec 7, 2018 20:56:35 GMT -6
The line output transformers are some tiny whacky $2 generic things. Oddly enough I don't find it to negatively affect the sound quality in any way in my initial usage. Any gut shots?
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Post by EmRR on Dec 7, 2018 21:56:17 GMT -6
Klark Teknik stuff is all coming with a 10 year warranty now. That’s way better than most (all?) boutique high end brands. They must really believe in their builds. That’s not about quality, that’s about statistical analysis suggesting they can build them cheap enough to replace X% over 10 years, and the way that interfaces with the marketing dept.
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Post by Guitar on Dec 8, 2018 8:43:46 GMT -6
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Post by brenta on Dec 8, 2018 9:35:37 GMT -6
Klark Teknik stuff is all coming with a 10 year warranty now. That’s way better than most (all?) boutique high end brands. They must really believe in their builds. That’s not about quality, that’s about statistical analysis suggesting they can build them cheap enough to replace X% over 10 years, and the way that interfaces with the marketing dept. Either way, a good deal for the buyer.
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Post by ericn on Dec 8, 2018 10:17:53 GMT -6
Klark Teknik stuff is all coming with a 10 year warranty now. That’s way better than most (all?) boutique high end brands. They must really believe in their builds. That’s not about quality, that’s about statistical analysis suggesting they can build them cheap enough to replace X% over 10 years, and the way that interfaces with the marketing dept. Doug How damn cynical of you, why your absolutely right except you forgot 2 other important cynical numbers they looked at: how many will remember the 10 year warranty how many will have been resold on the used market with new proof of original purchase date. Yeah I’m every bit as cynical, grasshopper I have taught you well😎
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Post by papag on Dec 8, 2018 10:25:02 GMT -6
What do the compressors actually sound like?
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Post by drbill on Dec 8, 2018 10:54:37 GMT -6
That’s not about quality, that’s about statistical analysis suggesting they can build them cheap enough to replace X% over 10 years, and the way that interfaces with the marketing dept. Doug How damn cynical of you, why your absolutely right except you forgot 2 other important cynical numbers they looked at: how many will remember the 10 year warranty how many will have been resold on the used market with new proof of original purchase date. Yeah I’m every bit as cynical, grasshopper I have taught you well😎 Cynical or not, one thing is for sure - they are aiming at taking a HUGE chunk out of the "boutique clone" market. And they will. So far, everything I've bought from them (EQP and 2a) - upcoming Clarity M - have been excellent products. Sounding as good or better than their higher priced competition, and their build quality has been excellent. Hard to argue with that.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 8, 2018 10:59:35 GMT -6
What do the compressors actually sound like? I'm guessing exactly like the old Klark DN540.
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Post by EmRR on Dec 8, 2018 11:34:33 GMT -6
That’s not about quality, that’s about statistical analysis suggesting they can build them cheap enough to replace X% over 10 years, and the way that interfaces with the marketing dept. Doug How damn cynical of you, why your absolutely right Funny, I don't see it as cynical, just factual. It's why the new toilet I bought to install in the house came in a single layer cardboard wrapper: statistics says it's cheaper to use less packaging and replace the breakage. Everyone knows a 95 lb porcelain collection of parts is easily damaged when shipped with virtually no protection, but how many actually break? How many have dings that get ignored? Few enough to justify saving money on packaging.
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Post by lcr on Dec 8, 2018 14:22:56 GMT -6
Toilet & breakage
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Post by lpedrum on Dec 11, 2018 13:49:30 GMT -6
Has anyone received a Midas rack yet? Any reviews?
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Post by Guitar on Dec 11, 2018 14:19:03 GMT -6
Has anyone received a Midas rack yet? Any reviews? Good, solid racks. I recommend them.
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Post by Blackdawg on Dec 11, 2018 15:09:45 GMT -6
Mine's held up in customs looks like.
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Post by BradM on Dec 11, 2018 16:54:32 GMT -6
That’s not about quality, that’s about statistical analysis suggesting they can build them cheap enough to replace X% over 10 years, and the way that interfaces with the marketing dept. Doug How damn cynical of you, why your absolutely right except you forgot 2 other important cynical numbers they looked at: how many will remember the 10 year warranty how many will have been resold on the used market with new proof of original purchase date. Yeah I’m every bit as cynical, grasshopper I have taught you well😎 I would love to have a business model where my warranty / repair philosophy is "throw it in the trash and replace". Because that's way cheaper and easier than dealing with a return, repairing it, and then sending it back. My gut tells me any build cost under $50 would qualify for that model quite nicely. Cynicism aside, it's also likely they just have a QC/production test process that is dialed in for a low failure rate. The build is mostly SMT. Pick and place machines are pretty darn consistent... Part failures could be easily caught in an automated audio test using an AP audio analyzer. Brad
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Post by ericn on Dec 11, 2018 17:42:47 GMT -6
Doug How damn cynical of you, why your absolutely right except you forgot 2 other important cynical numbers they looked at: how many will remember the 10 year warranty how many will have been resold on the used market with new proof of original purchase date. Yeah I’m every bit as cynical, grasshopper I have taught you well😎 I would love to have a business model where my warranty / repair philosophy is "throw it in the trash and replace". Because that's way cheaper and easier than dealing with a return, repairing it, and then sending it back. My gut tells me any build cost under $50 would qualify for that model quite nicely. Cynicism aside, it's also likely they just have a QC/production test process that is dialed in for a low failure rate. The build is mostly SMT. Pick and place machines are pretty darn consistent... Part failures could be easily caught in an automated audio test using an AP audio analyzer. Brad Honestly, like the Hosa cable warranty I’ll bet a very large part of the willingness to have this warranty is that the customer will forget about it and simply trash the unit and buy a new one. It’s probably not transferable and they require proof of purchase, so at the very least you need to remember where you bought it.
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Post by donr on Dec 11, 2018 18:25:13 GMT -6
Doug How damn cynical of you, why your absolutely right except you forgot 2 other important cynical numbers they looked at: how many will remember the 10 year warranty how many will have been resold on the used market with new proof of original purchase date. Yeah I’m every bit as cynical, grasshopper I have taught you well😎 I would love to have a business model where my warranty / repair philosophy is "throw it in the trash and replace". Because that's way cheaper and easier than dealing with a return, repairing it, and then sending it back. My gut tells me any build cost under $50 would qualify for that model quite nicely. Cynicism aside, it's also likely they just have a QC/production test process that is dialed in for a low failure rate. The build is mostly SMT. Pick and place machines are pretty darn consistent... Part failures could be easily caught in an automated audio test using an AP audio analyzer. Brad OT, my son bought an office desk online. It was huge, an exec desk made of MDF covered with vinyl, looks great but it's fake. 'Way better than Target furniture. Weighed a ton. Like 150 lbs, shipped flat. It was delivered with one corner dinged in shipping. They did not want it back, and shipped him another one. It too had a minor dinged corner. (Sounds like they didn't get the packaging right.) He kept it, now he's trying to get rid of the first one. It might wind up as firewood this holiday.
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Post by ericn on Dec 11, 2018 19:18:38 GMT -6
I would love to have a business model where my warranty / repair philosophy is "throw it in the trash and replace". Because that's way cheaper and easier than dealing with a return, repairing it, and then sending it back. My gut tells me any build cost under $50 would qualify for that model quite nicely. Cynicism aside, it's also likely they just have a QC/production test process that is dialed in for a low failure rate. The build is mostly SMT. Pick and place machines are pretty darn consistent... Part failures could be easily caught in an automated audio test using an AP audio analyzer. Brad OT, my son bought an office desk online. It was huge, an exec desk made of MDF covered with vinyl, looks great but it's fake. 'Way better than Target furniture. Weighed a ton. Like 150 lbs, shipped flat. It was delivered with one corner dinged in shipping. They did not want it back, and shipped him another one. It too had a minor dinged corner. (Sounds like they didn't get the packaging right.) He kept it, now he's trying to get rid of the first one. It might wind up as firewood this holiday. Yeah I have seen that happen a lot with big items where the shipping back is more than the profit on the sale. Be careful burning MDF, that stuff has put a ton of people on ventilators! Most MDF has more crap in it than it has wood fibers. A Burn doc I know says it would probably be better for your lungs to just burn garbage bags.
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Post by donr on Dec 11, 2018 20:21:22 GMT -6
Eric, burning the desk was dramatic license, Salvation Army said they'd take it, but when the guys got there, they said it was too big. There's another charity that will deal with it, but they need a month to get it. It's really nice, even with the ding. Good to know about MDF. I have a pair of the original Mackie 824's. One got dripped on from a defective split A/C by the current replacement for Freon, and fizzed up one side of the enclosure. Still works but looks horrorshow. >Most MDF has more crap in it than it has wood fibers. A Burn doc I know says it would probably be better for your lungs to just burn garbage bags. Read more: realgearonline.com/thread/9344/klark-teknik-midas-prices-came?page=5#ixzz5ZQpZVP6o
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Post by bram on Dec 11, 2018 20:41:13 GMT -6
So the verdict on the KT-2A / EQP from those who have them (and have had experience with the originals / other clones) is that these are not just good "For the money" but they are actually worthwhile pieces of equipment? As in, you'd have no problem running a money vocal through them?
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Post by ragan on Dec 11, 2018 20:52:44 GMT -6
Yes MDF fumes no bueno. 😱
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 11, 2018 20:59:01 GMT -6
So the verdict on the KT-2A / EQP from those who have them (and have had experience with the originals / other clones) is that these are not just good "For the money" but they are actually worthwhile pieces of equipment? As in, you'd have no problem running a money vocal through them? I don't own one yet, but that's certainly what I've been reading from multiple sources, both here and elsewhere.
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Post by ericn on Dec 11, 2018 21:37:00 GMT -6
Eric, burning the desk was dramatic license, Salvation Army said they'd take it, but when the guys got there, they said it was too big. There's another charity that will deal with it, but they need a month to get it. It's really nice, even with the ding. Good to know about MDF. I have a pair of the original Mackie 824's. One got dripped on from a defective split A/C by the current replacement for Freon, and fizzed up one side of the enclosure. Still works but looks horrorshow. >Most MDF has more crap in it than it has wood fibers. A Burn doc I know says it would probably be better for your lungs to just burn garbage bags. Read more: realgearonline.com/thread/9344/klark-teknik-midas-prices-came?page=5#ixzz5ZQpZVP6oWas pretty sure but you know I’m protective of my friends👀
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Post by ragan on Dec 11, 2018 22:57:52 GMT -6
So the verdict on the KT-2A / EQP from those who have them (and have had experience with the originals / other clones) is that these are not just good "For the money" but they are actually worthwhile pieces of equipment? As in, you'd have no problem running a money vocal through them? I had a pair of the KT-EQP here to demo. Ran some stuff through them with some gentle sculpting and did the same kind of sculpting on my go-to EQs (Great River Harrison 32EQs) and listened blind. I was really excited before I opened my eyes because I preferred one of them quite a bit. But it was the Harrisons. Did blind mixbus print tests too and picked the non EQP versions. I did still like them though. They've got a colorful little vibe. A little smeary, which can be just what the doc ordered sometimes. I liked the pair of Warm EQP-WA's I had more, more euphonic sounding, but they also cost more. I probably just like the better transformers in the Warm. Same with the KT-1176. The Warm (WA76) has a bit more weight to it. Still, at these friggin' dirt cheap prices, the KT stuff is still tempting, just for more channels of decent analog.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 1:50:46 GMT -6
But, but, but, it's Behringer! (Sorry, always has to be one).
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Dec 12, 2018 2:53:12 GMT -6
I see they are using a nice little VTX/OEP transformer in there. Some MC33079 opamps which aren't bad.
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