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Post by theshea on Dec 1, 2018 3:28:49 GMT -6
Boy, i am sooo tempted to step into the 500 lunchbox format with these prices. Any feedback on the quality yet?
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Post by Ward on Dec 3, 2018 8:11:21 GMT -6
Boy, i am sooo tempted to step into the 500 lunchbox format with these prices. Any feedback on the quality yet? Thanks for asking! I'm extremely curious to know what folks' findings are also. |
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Post by ericn on Dec 3, 2018 8:13:32 GMT -6
Boy, i am sooo tempted to step into the 500 lunchbox format with these prices. Any feedback on the quality yet? While the PSU is important to the sound of any 500 series module I seriously doubt these will suck. |
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Post by guitfiddler on Dec 3, 2018 8:30:01 GMT -6
Really!!! How do these sound?  |
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Post by ericn on Dec 3, 2018 8:42:24 GMT -6
If the EQ had the filters like on the XL4 I would buy a rack full of them just for the filters, The pres were useable but remember when people rave about them it’s in comparison to a Yamaha 3K, so I don’t know if I would buy them outside a console. Midas compression your guess is as good as mine. |
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Post by guitfiddler on Dec 3, 2018 8:44:32 GMT -6
Looks like the hp & lp filters are on the preamp...hmmm
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Post by guitfiddler on Dec 3, 2018 8:50:52 GMT -6
Interesting, as there is also an led input meter that stretches around the input gain knob and an output meter that stretches around the output gain knob. The powersupply? There are solid powersupplies in their Midas desks.
Not sure how accurate this is, but the preamp is derived from the PRO2 and the EQ from the Heritage 3000 desk...maybe? Not sure? Very interesting...Transformer engage button? They even have phantom power on the preamp!!! Lol! Holy smokes!!! That pre is loaded!
Ericn - Your XL4 filters are on the preamp, so you have to get the preamp, and Beh...Midas did that just for you!
Midas 502 500 Series Mic/Line Preamp Features:
Award-winning Midas preamp, enhanced with quad discrete ultra-low-noise input transistors
Input allows up to +24dBu levels with no pad
Features the much-loved Midas pre soft-clipping characteristic
Classic Midas XL4 swept lowpass and highpass filters with independent actuation switches
Switchable electronic or discrete transistor-driven, transformer-balanced output for sonic flexibility
Dual precision 11-segment LED circular input and output level metering
High-accuracy rotary switch gain control with 60dB range in 5dB steps
Output gain trim (+/-20dB range) controls input and output stage coloration
Impressive gain range (-20dB to +80dB) easily accommodates low-output mics
Large gain trim knobs for precise control of input/output gain
Illuminated switches for filters, +48V phantom power, polarity reverse, and electronic/transformer output select
Power-up mute relays prevent switch-on thumps
Premium-quality components throughout for audiophile-grade signal path
Designed and engineered in the U.K.
Midas 3-Year warranty
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Post by ericn on Dec 3, 2018 9:05:17 GMT -6
Interesting, as there is also an led input meter that stretches around the input gain knob and an output meter that stretches around the output gain knob. The powersupply? There are solid powersupplies in their Midas desks. Not sure how accurate this is, but the preamp is derived from the PRO2 and the EQ from the Heritage 3000 desk...maybe? Not sure? Very interesting...Transformer engage button? They even have phantom power on the preamp!!! Lol! Holy smokes!!! That pre is loaded! Ericn - Your XL4 filters are on the preamp, so you have to get the preamp, and Beh...Midas did that just for you! Midas 502 500 Series Mic/Line Preamp Features: Award-winning Midas preamp, enhanced with quad discrete ultra-low-noise input transistors Input allows up to +24dBu levels with no pad Features the much-loved Midas pre soft-clipping characteristic Classic Midas XL4 swept lowpass and highpass filters with independent actuation switches Switchable electronic or discrete transistor-driven, transformer-balanced output for sonic flexibility Dual precision 11-segment LED circular input and output level metering High-accuracy rotary switch gain control with 60dB range in 5dB steps Output gain trim (+/-20dB range) controls input and output stage coloration Impressive gain range (-20dB to +80dB) easily accommodates low-output mics Large gain trim knobs for precise control of input/output gain Illuminated switches for filters, +48V phantom power, polarity reverse, and electronic/transformer output select Power-up mute relays prevent switch-on thumps Premium-quality components throughout for audiophile-grade signal path Designed and engineered in the U.K. Midas 3-Year warranty Yeah but I want it on the EQ where it belongs! The Optional Transformers on Midas’s were either Sowter, Neutrik or Jensen. |
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Post by guitfiddler on Dec 3, 2018 9:06:38 GMT -6
Dude, you can’t have everything!!! Well, maybe if they changed the name to Behringer you can!!! Everything or maybe anything, a couple very tricky words. I wonder if you can request what transformer you want in these, or maybe just install your own? Dammit I said it!! Son of a B!
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Post by ericn on Dec 3, 2018 11:22:29 GMT -6
Dude, you can’t have everything!!! Well, maybe if they changed the name to Behringer you can!!! Everything or maybe anything, a couple very tricky words. I wonder if you can request what transformer you want in these, or maybe just install your own? Dammit I said it!! Son of a B! Yeah I think to things are at play here, first not enough room on a 500 series for all those knobs. Second those of us who came up with consoles not only thought and were told these filters were part of the EQ, but both Midas and SSL literature stated it ! So we feel like we are getting screwed! Most of us already have enough utility pre’s. Frankly I would buy a bunch of Brad’s Chop Shop before the Midas Pre for the Filters. Now if I could get Brad to make a Chop Shop E where the EQ was replaced with a Phase alignment filter, ok I miss the days when manufacturers listened to me😁 As far as the transformers, well where there’s a will there’s a way! |
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Post by Blackdawg on Dec 4, 2018 21:19:18 GMT -6
My KT2A showed up today. Build quality is nice. The switches and knobs are nice. Smooth and heavy drag which is cool. The Knob for the meter is a bit odd but the Gain and Input knobs are great.
Haven't wired it in yet. But for 339 shipped from Front End Audio or whatever was nice.
Still would have been cheaper from the UK..
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 5, 2018 2:04:53 GMT -6
My KT2A showed up today. Build quality is nice. The switches and knobs are nice. Smooth and heavy drag which is cool. The Knob for the meter is a bit odd but the Gain and Input knobs are great. Haven't wired it in yet. But for 339 shipped from Front End Audio or whatever was nice. Still would have been cheaper from the UK.. let us know what you think when you’ve got it all patched in! |
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Post by javamad on Dec 5, 2018 4:44:07 GMT -6
It’s kinda tricky to compare 500 racks to each other as standard specs quotations are not readily available. Seems to me the important specs would be power handling capacity per slot plus an overall figure.
After that its a question of the audio path and extra features.
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Post by drsax on Dec 5, 2018 9:11:06 GMT -6
Got my KT-2A the other day. Sounds fantastic. I have an Anthony DeMaria Labs ADL1500 with NOS Vintage tubes. The KT-2A sounds on par with it except the KT-2A is a touch smoother and warmer, mainly in the upper mids and highs, which makes the KT-2A sound closer to a vintage LA-2A. The ADL has a really sweet high end shimmer which is its main difference from an LA2 which it is modelled after. The KT-2A sounds really good - amazing at this price. And the build quality exceeded my expectations by quite a bit. Feels very solid
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Post by Ward on Dec 5, 2018 9:36:09 GMT -6
Got my KT-2A the other day. Sounds fantastic. I have an Anthony DeMaria Labs ADL1500 with NOS Vintage tubes. The KT-2A sounds on par with it except the KT-2A is a touch smoother and warmer, mainly in the upper mids and highs, which makes the KT-2A sound closer to a vintage LA-2A. The ADL has a really sweet high end shimmer which is its main difference from an LA2 which it is modelled after. The KT-2A sounds really good - amazing at this price. And the build quality exceeded my expectations by quite a bit. Feels very solid That's good to hear. Nothing sounds more 'Asian' than hyped high end. |
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Post by ericn on Dec 5, 2018 9:37:19 GMT -6
Got my KT-2A the other day. Sounds fantastic. I have an Anthony DeMaria Labs ADL1500 with NOS Vintage tubes. The KT-2A sounds on par with it except the KT-2A is a touch smoother and warmer, mainly in the upper mids and highs, which makes the KT-2A sound closer to a vintage LA-2A. The ADL has a really sweet high end shimmer which is its main difference from an LA2 which it is modelled after. The KT-2A sounds really good - amazing at this price. And the build quality exceeded my expectations by quite a bit. Feels very solid ADL’s can be a bit strident or even a scratchy inthe mids so no surprise. |
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Post by stormymondays on Dec 5, 2018 9:40:35 GMT -6
Good endorsements here. If my SA2A arrives sometime this century I might be tempted to get the KT-2A for a shootout.
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Post by drsax on Dec 5, 2018 10:21:22 GMT -6
Got my KT-2A the other day. Sounds fantastic. I have an Anthony DeMaria Labs ADL1500 with NOS Vintage tubes. The KT-2A sounds on par with it except the KT-2A is a touch smoother and warmer, mainly in the upper mids and highs, which makes the KT-2A sound closer to a vintage LA-2A. The ADL has a really sweet high end shimmer which is its main difference from an LA2 which it is modelled after. The KT-2A sounds really good - amazing at this price. And the build quality exceeded my expectations by quite a bit. Feels very solid ADL’s can be a bit strident or even a scratchy inthe mids so no surprise. I’ve heard others complain about the ADL, but mine sounds really quite nice. Definitely not scratchy. Maybe the NOS tubes help. I think it’s pretty incredible that the KT holds up against it for less than $400. |
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 5, 2018 11:48:28 GMT -6
ADL’s can be a bit strident or even a scratchy inthe mids so no surprise. I’ve heard others complain about the ADL, but mine sounds really quite nice. Definitely not scratchy. Maybe the NOS tubes help. I think it’s pretty incredible that the KT holds up against it for less than $400. I've always thought of the ADL as being just a little more extended on the top than an LA-2A. A little brighter, but not necessarily in a bad way. But I'm sure your NOS tubes are changing things for the better. Your news on the KT-2A is just awesome to hear. I'm going to need to get one somehow and compare it to my SA-2A. |
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Post by drsax on Dec 5, 2018 11:56:04 GMT -6
I’ve heard others complain about the ADL, but mine sounds really quite nice. Definitely not scratchy. Maybe the NOS tubes help. I think it’s pretty incredible that the KT holds up against it for less than $400. I've always thought of the ADL as being just a little more extended on the top than an LA-2A. A little brighter, but not necessarily in a bad way. But I'm sure your NOS tubes are changing things for the better. Your news on the KT-2A is just awesome to hear. I'm going to need to get one somehow and compare it to my SA-2A. Well said Mark. Yeah - the ADL is more extended. And keep in mind mine is a 1500. There were some small differences between the 1500 and the 1000. Most folks I know prefer the 1500. |
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Post by ericn on Dec 5, 2018 12:03:33 GMT -6
ADL’s can be a bit strident or even a scratchy inthe mids so no surprise. I’ve heard others complain about the ADL, but mine sounds really quite nice. Definitely not scratchy. Maybe the NOS tubes help. I think it’s pretty incredible that the KT holds up against it for less than $400. Yeah the stock tubes really make the ADL a much better piece, now it sounds really good till you hear a Jim Williams modded ADL, that’s what a great LA2 clone should sound like! |
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Post by drsax on Dec 5, 2018 19:25:18 GMT -6
I’ve heard others complain about the ADL, but mine sounds really quite nice. Definitely not scratchy. Maybe the NOS tubes help. I think it’s pretty incredible that the KT holds up against it for less than $400. Yeah the stock tubes really make the ADL a much better piece, now it sounds really good till you hear a Jim Williams modded ADL, that’s what a great LA2 clone should sound like! I’ve heard that about Jim’s units. That’s on my bucket list, I definitely want to have him mod mine sometime! |
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Post by Guitar on Dec 5, 2018 21:38:44 GMT -6
wow damn uli is rocking the graves right now
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Post by Blackdawg on Dec 5, 2018 22:18:37 GMT -6
Wow my L10 rack shipped. Must not be as sold out in the UK haha
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Post by BradM on Dec 6, 2018 11:00:33 GMT -6
Wow my L10 rack shipped. Must not be as sold out in the UK haha Please do let us know what you think when it arrives. I'm not sure when mine will ship. Brad |
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