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Post by indiehouse on Nov 24, 2018 12:54:54 GMT -6
I’m interested in using one of these kits and replacing the sounds with my SD3 libraries. ragan, are you still digging this setup? Any drawbacks? I know you can’t really monitor SD3 while you play, and that’s ok. Just wondering how good these kits are? I have zero experience with e-kits and know nothing about them. Just wondering if I can get away with using a setup like this to substitute having a good room to track drums in. Sweetwater has the Roland TD-25K on sale for 1600. There is also the TD-17KV for 1200 regular price. Like I said, I don’t know a thing about these kits, not the differences between these two in particular. |
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Post by ragan on Nov 24, 2018 13:34:04 GMT -6
I’m interested in using one of these kits and replacing the sounds with my SD3 libraries. ragan, are you still digging this setup? Any drawbacks? I know you can’t really monitor SD3 while you play, and that’s ok. Just wondering how good these kits are? I have zero experience with e-kits and know nothing about them. Just wondering if I can get away with using a setup like this to substitute having a good room to track drums in. Sweetwater has the Roland TD-25K on sale for 1600. There is also the TD-17KV for 1200 regular price. Like I said, I don’t know a thing about these kits, not the differences between these two in particular. I’m over the moon about it. There’s a slight learning curve on learning to play to the triggering. By that I just mean you get to know how to play to get the behavior you want outta the MIDI data. But yeah. Once the performance is there, you’re golden. You’ve got the actual audio of beautifully recorded drums to work with and you mix it like you would any drums. |
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 24, 2018 14:00:09 GMT -6
I’m interested in using one of these kits and replacing the sounds with my SD3 libraries. ragan, are you still digging this setup? Any drawbacks? I know you can’t really monitor SD3 while you play, and that’s ok. Just wondering how good these kits are? I have zero experience with e-kits and know nothing about them. Just wondering if I can get away with using a setup like this to substitute having a good room to track drums in. Sweetwater has the Roland TD-25K on sale for 1600. There is also the TD-17KV for 1200 regular price. Like I said, I don’t know a thing about these kits, not the differences between these two in particular. I’m over the moon about it. There’s a slight learning curve on learning to play to the triggering. By that I just mean you get to know how to play to get the behavior you want outta the MIDI data. But yeah. Once the performance is there, you’re golden. You’ve got the actual audio of beautifully recorded drums to work with and you mix it like you would any drums. And you’ve got the TD-25K? I’m really wondering what makes the TD-17KV so much cheaper? If it’s the kit sounds, then I really wouldn’t care because I’ll be replacing them anyways. But, if the pads themselves have more articulation in the 25K, then that’s something worth considering. |
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Post by ragan on Nov 24, 2018 14:38:57 GMT -6
I’m over the moon about it. There’s a slight learning curve on learning to play to the triggering. By that I just mean you get to know how to play to get the behavior you want outta the MIDI data. But yeah. Once the performance is there, you’re golden. You’ve got the actual audio of beautifully recorded drums to work with and you mix it like you would any drums. And you’ve got the TD-25K? I’m really wondering what makes the TD-17KV so much cheaper? If it’s the kit sounds, then I really wouldn’t care because I’ll be replacing them anyways. But, if the pads themselves have more articulation in the 25K, then that’s something worth considering. I’m using the TD-25KV which I think has maybe a bigger snare and an extra crash? Cant quite remember the distinction. |
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Post by guitfiddler on Nov 24, 2018 17:13:26 GMT -6
I had the TD-25KV as well. Agree with Ragan that it is a really good kit for SD3! It worked really good with the ghost stroking and was sensitive enough. Not sure about the 17 though.
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Post by wiz on Nov 24, 2018 17:38:59 GMT -6
How are you guys getting on with midi velocity when using these?
Is it translating well, particularly the hi hat?
That was always the biggest issue for me, cymbals and particularly hi hats.
Also Do the new v kits have the ability to play the internals sounds via midi? Do they have a midi in?
Cheers.
Wiz
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Post by ragan on Nov 24, 2018 18:11:27 GMT -6
How are you guys getting on with midi velocity when using these? Is it translating well, particularly the hi hat? That was always the biggest issue for me, cymbals and particularly hi hats. Also Do the new v kits have the ability to play the internals sounds via midi? Do they have a midi in? Cheers. Wiz SD3 has a TD-25 preset that works really well. There are always a few little hi-hat foibles in a given performance but they’re easy to edit. I actually love that about the MIDI thing. Maybe I wish the ceiling on the snare center was 10% lower for a given track. Done. Maybe I want to fully exclude some of the partially open hi hat velocity layers for a given groove. Done. It’s crazy to me how awesome this is. Mic’d ‘real’ kits for years and years and I’ll probably stick with this. It’s addictingly fun and infinitely sculptable. Wish there was more snare and less kick and the mono room mic? Done. It’s wild. |
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Post by matt on Nov 24, 2018 18:29:07 GMT -6
What Ragan says on the editability thing. I wish I had a Roland kit but make do with an Alesis DM-10X modified with Roland triggers into SD3. The hat is the only real problem area- there's usually some "soft" triggering, which needs to be cleaned up. But I think that's an Alesis issue more than anything else. My drummer is used to how it feels and we get good tracks, usually played to click with the rest of the band laying down scratch tracks, and then edit to taste. We also add real cymbals and hats after the MIDI is complete. It can be tricky, but we make it work. If I wasn't producing it, I'd think it was real drums. Which it is, sort of. It's a real performance, anyway.
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Post by ragan on Nov 24, 2018 18:55:18 GMT -6
What Ragan says on the editability thing. I wish I had a Roland kit but make do with an Alesis DM-10X modified with Roland triggers into SD3. The hat is the only real problem area- there's usually some "soft" triggering, which needs to be cleaned up. But I think that's an Alesis issue more than anything else. My drummer is used to how it feels and we get good tracks, usually played to click with the rest of the band laying down scratch tracks, and then edit to taste. We also add real cymbals and hats after the MIDI is complete. It can be tricky, but we make it work. If I wasn't producing it, I'd think it was real drums. Which it is, sort of. It's a real performance, anyway. And real audio. That's the thing about something like SD3. You're not relying on any 'modeling'. It's the actual mic'd drums in that actual studio. Once the performance-capture-tech is there (it is), it's off to the races - you've got real drums. |
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 24, 2018 20:21:46 GMT -6
My Sweetwatee guy says the 17 is the better bang for buck over the 25 for midi capture, not relying on the internal kits.
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Nov 24, 2018 21:14:31 GMT -6
The 17 doesn't have positional sensing if that matters to you. Apart from that the mid-tear and hi-end series have the same basic engine and should play nicely with SD3.
IMHO the best option is an A2E kit with roland brain. There are a few companies out there doing this now. I am not sure of the US brands but Jobeky and drum-tec offer good products.
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 24, 2018 22:18:20 GMT -6
The 17 doesn't have positional sensing if that matters to you. Apart from that the mid-tear and hi-end series have the same basic engine and should play nicely with SD3. IMHO the best option is an A2E kit with roland brain. There are a few companies out there doing this now. I am not sure of the US brands but Jobeky and drum-tec offer good products. Yeah I am just reading that positional sensor thing now. Seems important considering I want to trigger SD3 with it. Though seems like the 17KVX beats the 25 in other areas. |
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Post by keymod on Nov 25, 2018 6:28:22 GMT -6
So then, the consensus is, for best results with an e-kit is to record midi tracks while monitoring the e-kit's onboard sounds, as this will avoid any latency issues? I have a Roland V-session Pro Kit with a TD-10 expanded module and would hope to record SD3 "live" to RADAR while also micing the room. Any suggestions to get away from the latency issue?
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 25, 2018 7:32:09 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 25, 2018 8:00:24 GMT -6
Well the brains and sounds don't matter as you will replace them but its the configuration which does matter ,so which kit has more and/or bigger better drums, the most cymbals and the best HH pedal ?
Personally, I would go with the same kit Ragan and his buddy have as you have two users who are completely happy with it, where as the salesman at SW, might be being incentivized to move one kit over another ?
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 25, 2018 8:34:36 GMT -6
Well the brains and sounds don't matter as you will replace them but its the configuration which does matter ,so which kit has more and/or bigger better drums, the most cymbals and the best HH pedal ? Personally, I would go with the same kit Ragan and his buddy have as you have two users who are completely happy with it, where as the salesman at SW, might be being incentivized to move one kit over another ? He recommended the cheaper kit. And also, I’m hearing the 25 series is likely to be discontinued, so you’d figure he’d want to move those. Meh. Might wait it out a bit. Don’t really have the money anyways. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 25, 2018 9:48:11 GMT -6
If the cheaper kit gives you the features you want: great, but it would be nice if someone who had used it could vouch fro it: although the Roland quality as always high !
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Post by keymod on Nov 25, 2018 11:48:09 GMT -6
I got the impression that the reviewer recommended the 17 for standalone playing and on-board sounds, but the 25 would work better for triggering midi
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