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Post by happychap on Dec 3, 2018 12:18:58 GMT -6
Plenty of folks (before and after Ethan) have used null testing as a way of analyzing sound. Making this about him is petty.
When you have an intuition that perhaps something sounds different (like DAW vs DAW, or 44.1 vs 88.2), but you're not exactly sure if there is a difference, then a null test can be interesting/revealing. Is it the end-all-be-all of audio engineering? Hardly. Is it a tool that might give insights? Indeed. Is it going to make a difference to your ART? Is it Artful? No.
But if you're inquisitive, it might be something you dig.
Just a reminder- there's not much art in talking about gear either!
Cheers...
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Post by johneppstein on Dec 3, 2018 17:38:29 GMT -6
Can we just move on to Wine Testing/Tasting instead please? People have been whining about Ethan’s testing for years, the lead to lots of testing of wine in response 😎 Beat me to it!
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Post by johneppstein on Dec 3, 2018 17:43:45 GMT -6
Plenty of folks (before and after Ethan) have used null testing as a way of analyzing sound. Making this about him is petty. When you have an intuition that perhaps something sounds different (like DAW vs DAW, or 44.1 vs 88.2), but you're not exactly sure if there is a difference, then a null test can be interesting/revealing. Is it the end-all-be-all of audio engineering? Hardly. Is it a tool that might give insights? Indeed. Is it going to make a difference to your ART? Is it Artful? No. But if you're inquisitive, it might be something you dig. Just a reminder- there's not much art in talking about gear either! Cheers... Art was my uncle, a retired high school principal from Peoria, Ill. He keeled over of a heart attack in the front yard of our place up in Maine when pushing a lawnmower when I was 7, first dead body I ever saw. Ever after my dad called that machine "The Art Killer."
So when I tell you that Art is dead I know what I'm talking about.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 3, 2018 18:17:04 GMT -6
Like audio, wine tasting is tricky, and not even 1/10th as scientific as the worst audio test designed. It's best done over long periods of time. Just sipping once reveals some things, but spending time on a bottle of wine reveals many other things as time passes. The "suer taster" is a real thing though, and provable. I've done well in blind tastings, but even then, it's unusual to taste 10 brands and differentiate. I no longer drink much, maybe one glass if having a special dinner, but when something special was opened, most people knew it was something special with a sip or two.
Now, back to the subject at hand. I think I'm done here. Have a good night guys,
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2018 2:39:56 GMT -6
We lived in Italy for three years, and have now been in France for four. We love good wine! We have a friend that's been in the French wine biz for about 35 years, seen many different aspects of it, and is a true connoisseur, but with no BS attached. He often tells us there's almost never any point in spending over €40 on a bottle IF TASTE IS ALL YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT. Everything else is just age, limitation or pedigree. He also says really old wine generally tastes bad. We love him. We drink a bottle a week and usually spend around €20, maybe up to €40 for a special occasion like Christmas Day or birthdays. Even some of the supermarket wine here in France is very drinkable for only €8 or so.
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Post by Ward on Dec 4, 2018 7:08:29 GMT -6
We lived in Italy for three years, and have now been in France for four. We love good wine! We have a friend that's been in the French wine biz for about 35 years, seen many different aspects of it, and is a true connoisseur, but with no BS attached. He often tells us there's almost never any point in spending over €40 on a bottle IF TASTE IS ALL YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT. Everything else is just age, limitation or pedigree. He also says really old wine generally tastes bad. We love him. We drink a bottle a week and usually spend around €20, maybe up to €40 for a special occasion like Christmas Day or birthdays. Even some of the supermarket wine here in France is very drinkable for only €8 or so. A bottle a week? What.... a daily thimble-full? Man, between the missus and I, it's almost a bottle a day. Really should cut down.
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Post by ericn on Dec 4, 2018 7:41:00 GMT -6
We lived in Italy for three years, and have now been in France for four. We love good wine! We have a friend that's been in the French wine biz for about 35 years, seen many different aspects of it, and is a true connoisseur, but with no BS attached. He often tells us there's almost never any point in spending over €40 on a bottle IF TASTE IS ALL YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT. Everything else is just age, limitation or pedigree. He also says really old wine generally tastes bad. We love him. We drink a bottle a week and usually spend around €20, maybe up to €40 for a special occasion like Christmas Day or birthdays. Even some of the supermarket wine here in France is very drinkable for only €8 or so. A bottle a week? What.... a daily thimble-full? Man, between the missus and I, it's almost a bottle a day. Really should cut down. Nah it’s the Mediterranean Liquid Diet!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2018 11:03:45 GMT -6
We were on a bottle a day until this year, but we've cut right back for health reasons. We do really enjoy our "guilt free Fridays" though... Good thing about it, is that we can spend a bit more on a better wine now, as we are drinking much less.
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Post by Guitar on Dec 5, 2018 22:35:47 GMT -6
Can we just move on to Wine Testing/Tasting instead please? I want to give a shout to ragan for Columbia Crest cabernet sauvignon it's got oakiness and a moderately sophisticated pallete for $9 or whatever Right now I'm drinking Lindemann's which is my favorite "el cheapo" brand, a merlot at the moment, it's a fun drink always, the whites are also good I had some coffee yesterday that had chocolatey notes, and today with fruity and floral notes. I also do a really good French Press so my buddies were impressed with my Folgers french press, haha! My musician friends and I had some bonding moments in Richmond, VA. Where apparently there are some really successful food people, including a notable French restaurant called Swan Dive. There was some good gear as well, some 15 watt tube amps all the way up sounding glorious. Not sure if Ethan was invited to the show.
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Post by ericn on Dec 6, 2018 8:49:57 GMT -6
Can we just move on to Wine Testing/Tasting instead please? I want to give a shout to ragan for Columbia Crest cabernet sauvignon it's got oakiness and a moderately sophisticated pallete for $9 or whatever Right now I'm drinking Lindemann's which is my favorite "el cheapo" brand, a merlot at the moment, it's a fun drink always, the whites are also good I had some coffee yesterday that had chocolatey notes, and today with fruity and floral notes. I also do a really good French Press so my buddies were impressed with my Folgers french press, haha! My musician friends and I had some bonding moments in Richmond, VA. Where apparently there are some really successful food people, including a notable French restaurant called Swan Dive. There was some good gear as well, some 15 watt tube amps all the way up sounding glorious. Not sure if Ethan was invited to the show. Every foodie needs to make a road trip to KC not just for the BBQ where else can you find a BeRd award wining chef with a Beer and Wiskey bar where you don’t need reservations?
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 6, 2018 20:13:19 GMT -6
I want to give a shout to ragan for Columbia Crest cabernet sauvignon it's got oakiness and a moderately sophisticated pallete for $9 or whatever Right now I'm drinking Lindemann's which is my favorite "el cheapo" brand, a merlot at the moment, it's a fun drink always, the whites are also good I had some coffee yesterday that had chocolatey notes, and today with fruity and floral notes. I also do a really good French Press so my buddies were impressed with my Folgers french press, haha! My musician friends and I had some bonding moments in Richmond, VA. Where apparently there are some really successful food people, including a notable French restaurant called Swan Dive. There was some good gear as well, some 15 watt tube amps all the way up sounding glorious. Not sure if Ethan was invited to the show. Every foodie needs to make a road trip to KC not just for the BBQ where else can you find a BeRd award wining chef with a Beer and Wiskey bar where you don’t need reservations? KC is a *highly* underrated city. I used to spend a lot of time there. I miss it.
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Post by Ward on Dec 7, 2018 11:05:53 GMT -6
Can we just move on to Wine Testing/Tasting instead please? I want to give a shout to ragan for Columbia Crest cabernet sauvignon Oh hells to the Y E S . Love Columbia Crest also! Maybe a bottle or two tonight! Next, let's move on to Nut Testing please! Brazil nuts. Are they the new pecans?
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Post by Guitar on Dec 7, 2018 11:11:35 GMT -6
I want to give a shout to ragan for Columbia Crest cabernet sauvignon Oh hells to the Y E S . Love Columbia Crest also! Maybe a bottle or two tonight! Next, let's move on to Nut Testing please! Brazil nuts. Are they the new pecans? My grandpa calls them "PEE cans" he's from Virginia I tell you what my sister and mom made a baked brie with honey, cinammon, cloves, and pecans on top and it rocked my world a little bit.
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Post by ericn on Dec 7, 2018 11:56:19 GMT -6
I want to give a shout to ragan for Columbia Crest cabernet sauvignon Oh hells to the Y E S . Love Columbia Crest also! Maybe a bottle or two tonight! Next, let's move on to Nut Testing please! Brazil nuts. Are they the new pecans? My favorite nuts are the shinny metal ones.
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Post by rowmat on Dec 7, 2018 13:31:27 GMT -6
I like this thread, you can talk about anything and it somehow correlates with null testing.😝
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Post by LesC on Dec 7, 2018 22:27:53 GMT -6
Oh hells to the Y E S . Love Columbia Crest also! Maybe a bottle or two tonight! Next, let's move on to Nut Testing please! Brazil nuts. Are they the new pecans? My favorite nuts are the shinny metal ones. Yeah, but polishing your nuts to make them shiny can be quite painful.
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 7, 2018 22:43:43 GMT -6
Oh hells to the Y E S . Love Columbia Crest also! Maybe a bottle or two tonight! Next, let's move on to Nut Testing please! Brazil nuts. Are they the new pecans? My grandpa calls them "PEE cans" he's from Virginia I tell you what my sister and mom made a baked brie with honey, cinammon, cloves, and pecans on top and it rocked my world a little bit. They’re PEE-cans if you’re buying them, puh-CAHNS if you’re selling them.
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Post by Ward on Dec 9, 2018 12:50:01 GMT -6
My grandpa calls them "PEE cans" he's from Virginia I tell you what my sister and mom made a baked brie with honey, cinammon, cloves, and pecans on top and it rocked my world a little bit. They’re PEE-cans if you’re buying them, puh-CAHNS if you’re selling them. We always split the difference in our family, and called them pee-cahns
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 9, 2018 13:54:37 GMT -6
They’re PEE-cans if you’re buying them, puh-CAHNS if you’re selling them. We always split the difference in our family, and called them pee-cahns sacrilege. :-)
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Post by Ward on Dec 9, 2018 16:50:31 GMT -6
sacrilicious
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Post by Guitar on Dec 9, 2018 17:48:05 GMT -6
quit pecan on me i'm nuts
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Post by johneppstein on Dec 9, 2018 20:10:39 GMT -6
We lived in Italy for three years, and have now been in France for four. We love good wine! We have a friend that's been in the French wine biz for about 35 years, seen many different aspects of it, and is a true connoisseur, but with no BS attached. He often tells us there's almost never any point in spending over €40 on a bottle IF TASTE IS ALL YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT. Everything else is just age, limitation or pedigree. He also says really old wine generally tastes bad. We love him. We drink a bottle a week and usually spend around €20, maybe up to €40 for a special occasion like Christmas Day or birthdays. Even some of the supermarket wine here in France is very drinkable for only €8 or so. A bottle a week? What.... a daily thimble-full? Man, between the missus and I, it's almost a bottle a day. Really should cut down. Better a thimble fuill than a fimbul-winter!
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Post by johneppstein on Dec 9, 2018 20:15:56 GMT -6
My favorite nuts are the shinny metal ones. Yeah, but polishing your nuts to make them shiny can be quite painful. Don't use steel wool.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 21:09:55 GMT -6
Wow. Just saw this thread and thought: "Noooo. Mom, they do these creepy things on the internet again!"
Well, in the meantime I came to the conclusion, that going into discussions like "Are null tests valid at all?" or "There are so many things science does not know. Therefore...(some bullshit)" is as useful as to discuss the non-existance of god (yes, I am a godless atheist) with Jehova's Witnesses.
I understand we are living in a postmodern world, which means that there are some obnoxious things propagated, because some of those, who hated math and science in school, think that because they only have a subjective truthz, there is no objective reality at all. (Which, sorry, is total BS to me. Sorry modern philosophers, ignoring reality does not make it non-existant.) The german "word of 2016" was postfaktisch (post-factual). Well, so you see it is a global trend, not just a leader of a well known industrialized western country ... Therefore, more than ever, these discussions open a can of worms, and in the end, those who do not "believe" in science (which is a joke in itself) take all the smaller pieces and levels of understanding and conclude that there is something like an "alternative science". I make it short. No - there isn't. Measurement errors and their math and finding systematic errors in applied physics experiments is the fundamental stuff in engineering. At the moment, when you do not know about this math, you prove nothing in an experiment. This said - there are more ways to - prove - scientifical facts. I wish that everybody had at least one semester of evidence theory and logic in every university and every scientific or engineering education...
Ehm, enough said, sorry for interruption, go on folks. ;-)
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Post by hio on Dec 10, 2018 4:16:29 GMT -6
Wow, I just found this thread again and am wondering whether it will go on and into perpetuity without anymore of my participation of course so I will close by stating the obvious.
With the most recent advances made scientifically in DNA testing alone, Darwin is rolling in his grave.
IMHO, (I can still say that right) there is most certainly a God and anyone that states otherwise needs more than a semester in college but a refresher crash course on all things fundamental based on *current* evidentiary data. Some folks however are angry and rebellious which leaks into subjectivism at its finest and I truly get that.
Um, enough said folks and sorry for this pitiful interruption, carry on ;-)
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