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Post by ericn on Nov 20, 2018 9:25:12 GMT -6
I'm not speaking about kids, rather people my age (just entering so-called middle age) and older. But then again, most of the brilliant people I've known are gone now. Maybe the average intellect is dumbing down because of that. Where do you fit in? Closer to 30 or 60? I'm in the middle. I'm 40, so I guess the lower-mid. I don't think people are getting dumber, their beliefs are being subjected to the long-game psychological barrage of fear-based rhetoric, from all sides. As people get older, it gets obvious that the world is leaving them behind, and they cling to their beliefs more tightly as a method of damage control, or even ego/self-image protection. They can't adapt to the new world as readily as the next generation, so they resist the change using phrases like "the next generation is ruining the country" and all that nonsense. But then again, this next generation has been brought up by the last generation, so if anyone is to blame for raising children who have no understanding of personal responsibility, it's the last generation! Man I’m not sure if it’s more BS as much as the fact that now you can personally select the type and angle of BS and remove the BS filter. This pretty much applies to everything, not just politics, hell we once again have people who believe the world is flat.
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Post by svart on Nov 20, 2018 9:26:54 GMT -6
I'm 40, so I guess the lower-mid. I don't think people are getting dumber, their beliefs are being subjected to the long-game psychological barrage of fear-based rhetoric, from all sides. As people get older, it gets obvious that the world is leaving them behind, and they cling to their beliefs more tightly as a method of damage control, or even ego/self-image protection. They can't adapt to the new world as readily as the next generation, so they resist the change using phrases like "the next generation is ruining the country" and all that nonsense. But then again, this next generation has been brought up by the last generation, so if anyone is to blame for raising children who have no understanding of personal responsibility, it's the last generation! Further to that, svart , MORE NONSENSE: with 45% of boys raised by single mothers and 80% of school teachers being female, boys are essentially raised by women and yet feminists are claiming that boys are the problem today in society and the biggest threat facing progress. That they are misogynistic and intolerant. Yet being raised by women. This is just an indication of how stupid we are becoming. Now how does all this tie in to Ethan Winer? I would only dare to speculate, in quiet, non-verbally, to myself. Anyhow . . . way off topic. Meh, if you believe that feminists have the majority.. I wager they do not. I surmise they just have the ear of the MSM because strife and drama is good for headlines and bottom lines.. And the constant airtime given to a very vocal minority makes the rest of us feel that these people are more prevalent than they are. Same goes for the new rhetoric of everything and everybody is a "nazi" yet the FBI's own stats show that the total number of white supremacist members is around 12,000 people nationwide.. You'd think it was every other person if you let the media get in your head. See back where I said "long-game psychological barrage of fear-based rhetoric", because that's exactly what I was talking about, the psychological phenomenon of MSM manipulating us and monetizing our fears.
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Post by ragan on Nov 20, 2018 10:34:22 GMT -6
Worth noting that none of these things are mutually exclusive:
*There is an embrace of alt-right extremism that ranges from a winking dog whistle to blatant incitement coming from this administration and its sycophants, and there is a resultant uptick in the despicable shit you’d expect from that.
*Actual white nationalist/Nazis are a super small portion of society.
*Women have been subjugated by a complex web of systematic downward pressure forever and dudes absorb a lot of shitty entitlement about women as they grow up here.
*Most dudes are not misogynists and have no conscious intent to harm women.
*The so called ‘mainstream media’ leans more left than right (except for the state TV networks like Fox and RT).
*The right wing uses the MSM as a catch-all boogeyman to avoid and deflect legitimate scrutiny.
*Every ideological stripe any of us can think of, even the ones we hold dear, is constantly being used to try to manipulate us into yielding power and resources to fundamentally dishonest actors.
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Post by johneppstein on Nov 20, 2018 11:01:49 GMT -6
I'm 40, so I guess the lower-mid. I don't think people are getting dumber, their beliefs are being subjected to the long-game psychological barrage of fear-based rhetoric, from all sides. As people get older, it gets obvious that the world is leaving them behind, and they cling to their beliefs more tightly as a method of damage control, or even ego/self-image protection. They can't adapt to the new world as readily as the next generation, so they resist the change using phrases like "the next generation is ruining the country" and all that nonsense. But then again, this next generation has been brought up by the last generation, so if anyone is to blame for raising children who have no understanding of personal responsibility, it's the last generation! Man I’m not sure if it’s more BS as much as the fact that now you can personally select the type and angle of BS and remove the BS filter. This pretty much applies to everything, not just politics, hell we once again have people who believe the world is flat. The world IS flat and it goes through space supported on the backs of four elephants standing on the shell of the great space turtle, A'Tuin.
Not in this universe, of course, although occasionally there is some leakage.
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Post by johneppstein on Nov 20, 2018 11:07:47 GMT -6
As we march closer to the reality espoused in the movie 'Idiocracy' (must watch, for all), I am of the belief that whilst not all people are eejits, the vast majority are leaning that way. Says every generation about the ones after it.. yet technology and knowledge keep marching onward and upward. I think it's an effect of having learned things during the brain's pliant stage, and the subsequent solidification of neural pathways that makes it harder for older folks to "understand" new things rather than a quantifiable reduction in knowledge. Kids today know more at a younger age than most adults did in high school 50 years ago. And yet they can't do cursive writing, can't spell, and can't do basic arithmetic without a pocket calculator (or "smart" phone.)
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Post by svart on Nov 20, 2018 11:20:11 GMT -6
Says every generation about the ones after it.. yet technology and knowledge keep marching onward and upward. I think it's an effect of having learned things during the brain's pliant stage, and the subsequent solidification of neural pathways that makes it harder for older folks to "understand" new things rather than a quantifiable reduction in knowledge. Kids today know more at a younger age than most adults did in high school 50 years ago. And yet they can't do cursive writing, can't spell, and can't do basic arithmetic without a pocket calculator (or "smart" phone.) All outdated things rendered obsolete by technology. Skinning animals used to be a learned necessity as well.. rendered obsolete by technology.
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Post by m03 on Nov 20, 2018 11:22:00 GMT -6
Man I’m not sure if it’s more BS as much as the fact that now you can personally select the type and angle of BS and remove the BS filter. This pretty much applies to everything, not just politics I think "echo chamber" is the term you're looking for.
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Post by ragan on Nov 20, 2018 11:25:37 GMT -6
Re: the youngsters.
I’m as guilty as the next guy of looking down on them. The low-hanging-fruit-tropes of them as entitled, avocado-toast monching hipster doofuses are just too irresistible.
But for the last year and a half I’ve been in school with a bunch of 19 year olds and that lazy viewpoint has evaporated. These kids are working their asses off in school. They’re largely smart, funny, driven and kind. I honestly feel better about the future knowing them. And maybe the kids in my major are somewhat self-selected and more driven than the group at large, but I can say with certainty that the distribution of idiots, assholes and moochers is no worse than my generation or I suspect any other.
Take it from The Weird Old Guy At The Back Of The Lecture - the kids are alright.
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Post by christopher on Nov 20, 2018 12:09:51 GMT -6
I have a dumb yet slightly more on-topic question/series of rambling thoughts *warning ignorance ahead* I've always wondered the opposite - why WOULDN'T cables matter? I'm certainly no electronics/audio/physics/life expert but what is so magical about cables that, no matter what they are made of, how they are constructed, etc. they would have no bearing on things? Obviously 2 pieces of the same material should have the same specs and should perform the same (ie two 3 foot pieces of copper) but once you get the solder, connectors, shielding scheme, etc. that is going to change things, right? An oxygen free silver quad core cable is obviously a completely different thing than a 3 core copper cable with teflon jacket. If not, Isn't that like saying 2 foods that have the same calories, salt content, fiber and vitamin A will taste the same? Think of capacitors... all of them "capacitate" yet pretty much everyone agrees that a ceramic vs electrolytic vs polyester all sound different and matter in an audio circuit... why wouldn't differently constructed cables? One of the things in Ethan's video that strikes me as odd is that even measurably different cables (ie totally different capacitance) null. There is a guy on YouTube who owns an Audiophile company he makes some interesting points about the snake oil of their community. He said that some of it IS in fact nonsense but some of it actually is valid (but often marked-up in price for the audiophile crowd. an example he mentioned were those CD pens where you'd color the edge of your CD for better sound. He said that there was a slight improvement due to limiting the light entering the edge in certain players that allowed light in or had bright internal LEDs but you could use a $1 paint pen and didn't need the $100 audiophile one) he's an electrical engineer and said that much of this stuff isn't measurable because no one cares about high end audio enough to develop a test for it. Most of the audio testing rigs are for commercial audio, broadcast, satellites, etc. and while we can certainly measure the things mentioned by Ethan and use those as a comparison we don't have the tools to measure whether or not there is anything else going on. Looking at the moon with a microscope isn't going to tell you much.. also in a lot of cases A/B testing is useless when it comes to something like a power cable as in order to minimize variables everything except the power cable would have to remain the same so you'd have to listen, shut down your system, re-wire, and turn the system back on and by that time you would no longer be able to make any sort of comparison. It's like Martin said... you just have to know how your system feels and sounds to you well enough that if you swap something out you can 'feel' a change and decide if it was good/bad for you. Regardless of hyperbole none of this is night and day or even chocolate vs. vanilla, it's more like the differences between two chocolate cakes made by the same baker using the same ingredients yet there is a subtle change in the amount of flour due to atmospheric moisture from cake to cake and the oven temp was a degree off. One more rambling point... A friend of mine is one of the leading studio techs in LA and we've discussed some of this stuff - he made the point that something like an audiophile time-aligned cable isn't nonsense it's just totally unnecessary for what we do. If you send a signal over a huge distance (like miles) then yes the ultra high frequencies well out of our range will arrive sooner than the lower frequencies but that's obviously not going to have any negative affect even in a few hundred feet in a studio. None of this is dogma to me and I am not going to replace all of my USB cables with $3,000 ones regardless but I do think the blanket statement of cables having some sort of magical property to be the same even when they aren't can't be true (unless it is ) www.zenproaudio.com/undertone-audio-vari-cap-instrument-cable?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI6I6898fj3gIVhpOzCh0QUQCtEAYYASABEgJZC_D_BwEwhen I saw the demo video of this thing, it was like a light bulb going off. Of course all audio things have different capacitances etc. I don't know that I agree 100% with his explanations, but the sound differences are there.
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Post by svart on Nov 20, 2018 12:13:09 GMT -6
I have a dumb yet slightly more on-topic question/series of rambling thoughts *warning ignorance ahead* I've always wondered the opposite - why WOULDN'T cables matter? I'm certainly no electronics/audio/physics/life expert but what is so magical about cables that, no matter what they are made of, how they are constructed, etc. they would have no bearing on things? Obviously 2 pieces of the same material should have the same specs and should perform the same (ie two 3 foot pieces of copper) but once you get the solder, connectors, shielding scheme, etc. that is going to change things, right? An oxygen free silver quad core cable is obviously a completely different thing than a 3 core copper cable with teflon jacket. If not, Isn't that like saying 2 foods that have the same calories, salt content, fiber and vitamin A will taste the same? Think of capacitors... all of them "capacitate" yet pretty much everyone agrees that a ceramic vs electrolytic vs polyester all sound different and matter in an audio circuit... why wouldn't differently constructed cables? One of the things in Ethan's video that strikes me as odd is that even measurably different cables (ie totally different capacitance) null. There is a guy on YouTube who owns an Audiophile company he makes some interesting points about the snake oil of their community. He said that some of it IS in fact nonsense but some of it actually is valid (but often marked-up in price for the audiophile crowd. an example he mentioned were those CD pens where you'd color the edge of your CD for better sound. He said that there was a slight improvement due to limiting the light entering the edge in certain players that allowed light in or had bright internal LEDs but you could use a $1 paint pen and didn't need the $100 audiophile one) he's an electrical engineer and said that much of this stuff isn't measurable because no one cares about high end audio enough to develop a test for it. Most of the audio testing rigs are for commercial audio, broadcast, satellites, etc. and while we can certainly measure the things mentioned by Ethan and use those as a comparison we don't have the tools to measure whether or not there is anything else going on. Looking at the moon with a microscope isn't going to tell you much.. also in a lot of cases A/B testing is useless when it comes to something like a power cable as in order to minimize variables everything except the power cable would have to remain the same so you'd have to listen, shut down your system, re-wire, and turn the system back on and by that time you would no longer be able to make any sort of comparison. It's like Martin said... you just have to know how your system feels and sounds to you well enough that if you swap something out you can 'feel' a change and decide if it was good/bad for you. Regardless of hyperbole none of this is night and day or even chocolate vs. vanilla, it's more like the differences between two chocolate cakes made by the same baker using the same ingredients yet there is a subtle change in the amount of flour due to atmospheric moisture from cake to cake and the oven temp was a degree off. One more rambling point... A friend of mine is one of the leading studio techs in LA and we've discussed some of this stuff - he made the point that something like an audiophile time-aligned cable isn't nonsense it's just totally unnecessary for what we do. If you send a signal over a huge distance (like miles) then yes the ultra high frequencies well out of our range will arrive sooner than the lower frequencies but that's obviously not going to have any negative affect even in a few hundred feet in a studio. None of this is dogma to me and I am not going to replace all of my USB cables with $3,000 ones regardless but I do think the blanket statement of cables having some sort of magical property to be the same even when they aren't can't be true (unless it is ) "One of the things in Ethan's video that strikes me as odd is that even measurably different cables (ie totally different capacitance) null."That's because the cables are nearly identical in electrical performance. The oddity is because you already expect them to be different, thus you question the result instead of questioning your theory. "I've always wondered the opposite - why WOULDN'T cables matter? I'm certainly no electronics/audio/physics/life expert but what is so magical about cables that, no matter what they are made of, how they are constructed, etc. they would have no bearing on things? Obviously 2 pieces of the same material should have the same specs and should perform the same (ie two 3 foot pieces of copper) but once you get the solder, connectors, shielding scheme, etc. that is going to change things, right? An oxygen free silver quad core cable is obviously a completely different thing than a 3 core copper cable with teflon jacket. If not, Isn't that like saying 2 foods that have the same calories, salt content, fiber and vitamin A will taste the same? "As I stated earlier in the thread, you are under the false assumption that the cable alone makes the sole difference if swapped out while the rest of the system is kept the same. That's untrue because it's an electrical system that will react differently given any variation at all. The cables in this system catalyze the difference, but are not the sole reason for the difference, so the cables can be electrically identical when tested in purely ideal situations, but cause a perceptible difference in-situ on an impure system. "he made the point that something like an audiophile time-aligned cable isn't nonsense it's just totally unnecessary for what we do. If you send a signal over a huge distance (like miles) then yes the ultra high frequencies well out of our range will arrive sooner than the lower frequencies but that's obviously not going to have any negative affect even in a few hundred feet in a studio."Completely false. Electrical waveforms travel at the same speeds (called propagation delay) through conductors. It's the amplitudes over frequency that change due to the parasitic attributes of the cable. If waveforms slowed or sped over frequency, things like broadband CATV couldn't exist. "he's an electrical engineer and said that much of this stuff isn't measurable because no one cares about high end audio enough to develop a test for it."I'm an EE and this is false as well. All things in physics can be tested using standard equipment, and people have done it to death. It turns out that most things people try to quantify turn out to be nothing more than simple physical phenomenon that were not accounted for in their analysis. Anything else is snake oil/marketing. "Looking at the moon with a microscope isn't going to tell you much.."Unless you're looking to see what kind of soil/rock the moon is made of, and then it'll tell you a whole lot.. My point being is that digging into the small details is where you find all the answers in electronics. Most folks don't dig deep enough below the marketing to see what the pieces are made of, if you get my drift, and that's why a lot of pervasive myths continue and why there is a distinct lack of true engineers behind these claims. The only people you see behind them are DIY folks and salesmen.
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Post by johneppstein on Nov 20, 2018 12:22:42 GMT -6
And yet they can't do cursive writing, can't spell, and can't do basic arithmetic without a pocket calculator (or "smart" phone.) All outdated things rendered obsolete by technology. Skinning animals used to be a learned necessity as well.. rendered obsolete by technology. Which is why our steaks are all furry...
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Post by ragan on Nov 20, 2018 12:28:43 GMT -6
I have a dumb yet slightly more on-topic question/series of rambling thoughts *warning ignorance ahead* I've always wondered the opposite - why WOULDN'T cables matter? I'm certainly no electronics/audio/physics/life expert but what is so magical about cables that, no matter what they are made of, how they are constructed, etc. they would have no bearing on things? Obviously 2 pieces of the same material should have the same specs and should perform the same (ie two 3 foot pieces of copper) but once you get the solder, connectors, shielding scheme, etc. that is going to change things, right? An oxygen free silver quad core cable is obviously a completely different thing than a 3 core copper cable with teflon jacket. If not, Isn't that like saying 2 foods that have the same calories, salt content, fiber and vitamin A will taste the same? Think of capacitors... all of them "capacitate" yet pretty much everyone agrees that a ceramic vs electrolytic vs polyester all sound different and matter in an audio circuit... why wouldn't differently constructed cables? One of the things in Ethan's video that strikes me as odd is that even measurably different cables (ie totally different capacitance) null. There is a guy on YouTube who owns an Audiophile company he makes some interesting points about the snake oil of their community. He said that some of it IS in fact nonsense but some of it actually is valid (but often marked-up in price for the audiophile crowd. an example he mentioned were those CD pens where you'd color the edge of your CD for better sound. He said that there was a slight improvement due to limiting the light entering the edge in certain players that allowed light in or had bright internal LEDs but you could use a $1 paint pen and didn't need the $100 audiophile one) he's an electrical engineer and said that much of this stuff isn't measurable because no one cares about high end audio enough to develop a test for it. Most of the audio testing rigs are for commercial audio, broadcast, satellites, etc. and while we can certainly measure the things mentioned by Ethan and use those as a comparison we don't have the tools to measure whether or not there is anything else going on. Looking at the moon with a microscope isn't going to tell you much.. also in a lot of cases A/B testing is useless when it comes to something like a power cable as in order to minimize variables everything except the power cable would have to remain the same so you'd have to listen, shut down your system, re-wire, and turn the system back on and by that time you would no longer be able to make any sort of comparison. It's like Martin said... you just have to know how your system feels and sounds to you well enough that if you swap something out you can 'feel' a change and decide if it was good/bad for you. Regardless of hyperbole none of this is night and day or even chocolate vs. vanilla, it's more like the differences between two chocolate cakes made by the same baker using the same ingredients yet there is a subtle change in the amount of flour due to atmospheric moisture from cake to cake and the oven temp was a degree off. One more rambling point... A friend of mine is one of the leading studio techs in LA and we've discussed some of this stuff - he made the point that something like an audiophile time-aligned cable isn't nonsense it's just totally unnecessary for what we do. If you send a signal over a huge distance (like miles) then yes the ultra high frequencies well out of our range will arrive sooner than the lower frequencies but that's obviously not going to have any negative affect even in a few hundred feet in a studio. None of this is dogma to me and I am not going to replace all of my USB cables with $3,000 ones regardless but I do think the blanket statement of cables having some sort of magical property to be the same even when they aren't can't be true (unless it is ) If he’s an EE and he’s telling you the high frequencies will arrive first over a long run...I have some questions. Edit: I misread, it wasn’t the EE saying the crazy stuff about frequency/distance.
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Post by svart on Nov 20, 2018 12:37:57 GMT -6
All outdated things rendered obsolete by technology. Skinning animals used to be a learned necessity as well.. rendered obsolete by technology. Which is why our steaks are all furry... Skinning animals by hand.. Semantics. But my point is that something like cursive only matters to older folks who see it as a point of pride.. Yet while the kids might not learn cursive anymore, they can type 120 words a minute while the old folks hunt-and-peck with two fingers taking an hour to bang out a paragraph complaining about the kids not learning cursive. Times change, necessities change. I learned cursive AND took typing classes. I can do BOTH, but I rarely write by hand anymore because everything is on computers now, so I type ten thousand words a day and write maybe 20 words at most.
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Post by christopher on Nov 20, 2018 13:02:41 GMT -6
Science is a long and thorough process, as we know from history it can be decades before the correct tests are done that can refute commonly held first conclusions. The earth was flat a lot longer than it's been a sphere! Those earlier scientifically learned viewpoints are very hard to overcome. A new theory can evolve over the years and become accepted as fact, but then the new theorey may also have flaws. Then years later someone decides to challenge it and fight the waves of resistance against that idea. And another idea challenges that one. So really, IMO there's no reason to get too overly confident in any scientific conclusion, it's a long process all about peer pressure in educated circles, as well as there are financial incentives, even simple subconscious ones like appearing to be part of the educated as a way to be accepted and hirable.. I really hate when people use science to scoff at others, it shows me how little they really understand. But that how new ideas become more easily accepted..
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Post by ragan on Nov 20, 2018 13:19:06 GMT -6
It's a funny little dance though.
Yes, science always challenges itself and 'knowledge' is dynamic, as a going concern.
But at the same time some things are very well understood. And people without scientific training or with an agenda often use the "well, they used to think the earth was flat so ________ " thing as a tactic to undermine actual good solid science (not speaking about your post here). The sort of Well I Throw My Hands up thing can be a lazy excuse when one just doesn't like what solid, well-founded research suggests.
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Post by svart on Nov 20, 2018 13:37:01 GMT -6
They knew the earth was round well before they knew it revolved around the sun..
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Post by ragan on Nov 20, 2018 13:50:22 GMT -6
They knew the earth was round well before they knew it revolved around the sun.. And boy did they try hard to get the data to jive with the conclusion they'd begun with... Attachments:
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Post by formatcyes on Nov 20, 2018 14:31:58 GMT -6
As long as you have enough copper in the conductors and for balanced the pairs are twisted together with some screening the cables wont make any difference. Not at audio frequency's anyways.
Re education: The lack of basic science, math, and the basic understanding how the fundamentals work. You can see it with our computers they don't allow much real interaction with the operating system and the number of people who understand how they really work has fallen (the complexity has also risen). We now have computer programmers who have very limited knowledge of whats going on under the hood. Same with cars less and less people have the skill set/knowledge to fix them. Being able to type at 120wpm has supplant the ability to change the car tyre.
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Post by EmRR on Nov 20, 2018 16:31:14 GMT -6
wow
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Post by johneppstein on Nov 20, 2018 16:43:18 GMT -6
Which is why our steaks are all furry... Skinning animals by hand.. Semantics. I'm pretty certain that animals are still skinned by hand. Assuming that they're not being skinned digitally by unadvised investment in cyber scams...
The bulk of butchering is still done by hand, too.
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Post by johneppstein on Nov 20, 2018 16:46:14 GMT -6
As long as you have enough copper in the conductors and for balanced the pairs are twisted together with some screening the cables wont make any difference. Not at audio frequency's anyways. That is demonstrably not true. Design and composition of screening can be crucial in high noise environments. Same with the twisting of conductors.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 20, 2018 17:24:45 GMT -6
Pilots have to fly by their instruments sometimes, but musicians and audio engineers just need their ears to hear if a cable change makes a difference. Most of the people I've met who adamantly insist a "properly made" power cord or an interconnect can't sound different have never even tried it. Situations can differ, systems can differ, tests can differ, so results can differ, but if I played my stereo system amp with the stock power cord, and then switched to the power cord I have and you don't hear the improvement, you probably have hearing issues.
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Post by christopher on Nov 20, 2018 17:45:32 GMT -6
I did find out the hard way that those super cheap plastic power strips you get at home depot or walmart sounded horrendous in my studio. I was on a budget and just needed some quick extra AC plugs, spent nearly my last $20 and bought a few of them. Man, it was obvious... direct into the wall: fine. Going through those strips: BZZZZZZZ!!! But I had used those type of cheap things in other places without issue... or really, I never listened close enough to wonder if it was making any issues? Maybe in some places the noise isn't an obvious buzz, but maybe it was still just raising the floor a little? And another thought, maybe manufacuters just order cheap IEC cables that the shielding either sucks or isn't there? We know the don't cost much. Those are the kind of things that honestly I never really thought about until just now, lol. (edit: Sorry if I don't make any sense, I've been pretty behind on sleep lately. I really don't know anything about power cables, how they are made or anything, so I shouldn't theorize. That incident was true though, and it was memorable because I didn't have enough to buy a good pro power strip. Instead I had to use the one from my TV at home and it worked, the buzz went away. I don't have any idea why it happened, I assumed the cheapies were an antenna? The neighbor had a CB radio antenna on the roof, also a there was a big transformer outside my studio. But I really don't know)
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Post by johneppstein on Nov 29, 2018 14:21:40 GMT -6
Which is why our steaks are all furry... Skinning animals by hand.. Semantics. But my point is that something like cursive only matters to older folks who see it as a point of pride.. Yet while the kids might not learn cursive anymore, they can type 120 words a minute while the old folks hunt-and-peck with two fingers taking an hour to bang out a paragraph complaining about the kids not learning cursive. Times change, necessities change. I learned cursive AND took typing classes. I can do BOTH, but I rarely write by hand anymore because everything is on computers now, so I type ten thousand words a day and write maybe 20 words at most. I have been accused of having attended medical school for penmanship. I have a funny tour stoy about that involving a bag of pot and the Las Vegas sherriff's department. Maybe I'll tell you sometime.
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Post by svart on Nov 29, 2018 14:26:18 GMT -6
Skinning animals by hand.. Semantics. But my point is that something like cursive only matters to older folks who see it as a point of pride.. Yet while the kids might not learn cursive anymore, they can type 120 words a minute while the old folks hunt-and-peck with two fingers taking an hour to bang out a paragraph complaining about the kids not learning cursive. Times change, necessities change. I learned cursive AND took typing classes. I can do BOTH, but I rarely write by hand anymore because everything is on computers now, so I type ten thousand words a day and write maybe 20 words at most. I have been accused of having attended medical school for penmanship. I have a funny tour stoy about that involving a bag of pot and the Las Vegas sherriff's department. Maybe I'll tell you sometime. I'll buy you lunch if you can read anything I write by hand. Typically I can't even read my own handwriting. LOL.
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