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Post by lpedrum on Nov 24, 2018 14:15:24 GMT -6
Hey All...the OP here. I really appreciate everyone's take on this topic--its' taking me down paths I hadn't ventured before. Whether I upgrade the CV4 or purchase a new mic I'll continue to listen to all opinions while on this search to better my vocal chain! A few quick things: 1. While I love to sing this search is not primarily for me. I produce singer songwriters, (click on my site below) so it's not simply a matter of finding what works for my voice. 2. 47 type mics are the ones that have given my the most wow factor. I've used vintage u47s, and for a year had use of an amazing Horsch (incredible on upright bass too.) 3. I bought my Miktek on the recommendation of my friend, the late great John Jennings. While I have no regrets with that purchase I'm just investigating the best way to upgrade on a musician's salary.
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Post by lando on Nov 25, 2018 5:02:21 GMT -6
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Post by Vincent R. on Nov 25, 2018 8:15:18 GMT -6
If a 47 is in your future I would strongly recommend looking at the FleA 47. My experience with the 47 sound started with the Peluso 2247SE which I owned for 2 years. After a session with a Wagner U47W with an original NOS Capsule, Transformer, and VF14 tube and a Korby style 49 I lost interest in it and sold it. It was brighter and was missing that low end. I picked up a BLUE Bottle Rocket Stage II with a B7 cap and found that to be better than the Peluso. Last year jtc111 brought over his FleA 47 and we compared it to a variety of my microphones including the BLUE, and I was floored at the 3D quality of the mic. His has an M7 and an EF12 tube. I had been looking for an M49 and after trying the FleA 47 I knew I needed to try their 49. I can’t speak for Wunder or Telefunken’s take on the U47, but to me the FleA is more general purpose and particularly suited for vocals. It didn’t stretch quite as deep as the Wagner, but I almost felt that was a good thing. It made it more usable by different voices without the need to overly EQ it. The Wagner’s bottoms end was huge, but that’s the VF14 for you. The top end of the FleA is very sweet and very smooth. More open than my M49. Compared to the Wunder, Telefunken, or Bock offerings it is relatively affordable. Just my two cents. Also, I have found Ivan to be quick to respond to questions and inquiries since I purchased my FleA 49.
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Post by mike on Nov 25, 2018 15:51:31 GMT -6
Last year jtc111 brought over his FleA 47 and we compared it to a variety of my microphones including the BLUE, and I was floored at the 3D quality of the mic. His has an M7 and an EF12 tube.
Hey Vincent, Did you say jct111's fleA 47 has an M7 capsule or did you mean it has FleA's replica of the M7 , a F7 capsule ? Thanks Mike
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Post by Vincent R. on Nov 25, 2018 16:05:17 GMT -6
Last year jtc111 brought over his FleA 47 and we compared it to a variety of my microphones including the BLUE, and I was floored at the 3D quality of the mic. His has an M7 and an EF12 tube.
Hey Vincent, Did you say jct111's fleA 47 has an M7 capsule or did you mean it has FleA's replica of the M7 , a F7 capsule ? Thanks Mike
I meant FleA’s replica, the F7. My 49 has their replica of the K49, their F49.
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Post by mike on Nov 25, 2018 16:38:27 GMT -6
Hey Vincent, Did you say jct111's fleA 47 has an M7 capsule or did you mean it has FleA's replica of the M7 , a F7 capsule ? Thanks Mike
I meant FleA’s replica, the F7. My 49 has their replica of the K49, their F49. Thanks!, I thought maybe so, but wanted to make sure. Still taking notes and doing my homework!
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Post by Vincent R. on Nov 25, 2018 17:47:51 GMT -6
I meant FleA’s replica, the F7. My 49 has their replica of the K49, their F49. Thanks!, I thought maybe so, but wanted to make sure. Still taking notes and doing my homework! No worries. Do your homework. No one wants to spend a bunch of money and have regrets.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 25, 2018 22:49:34 GMT -6
Shannon and Vincent make very good points. I agree that the most important thing if you are a vocalist is to match the mic to your voice first.. Then you can begin trying to get that sound in a modded mic or a less expensive mic. To prove the point, I tried a perfect condition vintage U47, C12, M49, U67, the Soyuz 0-19 and the Blackspade UM-17R in a major league studio. See which mic you think works best for me, and then we can discuss upgrades from there. realgearonline.com/thread/5685/high-end-mic-shootout-preview?page=4
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 26, 2018 9:56:01 GMT -6
Hey All...the OP here. I really appreciate everyone's take on this topic--its' taking me down paths I hadn't ventured before. Whether I upgrade the CV4 or purchase a new mic I'll continue to listen to all opinions while on this search to better my vocal chain! A few quick things: 1. While I love to sing this search is not primarily for me. I produce singer songwriters, (click on my site below) so it's not simply a matter of finding what works for my voice. 2. 47 type mics are the ones that have given my the most wow factor. I've used vintage u47s, and for a year had use of an amazing Horsch (incredible on upright bass too.) 3. I bought my Miktek on the recommendation of my friend, the late great John Jennings. While I have no regrets with that purchase I'm just investigating the best way to upgrade on a musician's salary. Hey Lorne, My place is in Milford, MA (looks to be just over an hour from you) and I have a Flea 47. If you ever want to come up and check it out, you're more than welcome. Bring a singer and the CV4 and we can shoot them out. -Jesse
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 26, 2018 10:25:36 GMT -6
It's a different game when you're choosing a mic for general purposes, mostly vocals. Rather than look for a custom fit, you look for a very good fit for all, and that is most definitely a U47, or something in that style. The Warm WA47 is surprisingly good on a budget, the Stam is excellent if you have time to wait for it. The Lewitt 640 is amazing for under 1k, it's like an AKG414, but with a bigger better bottom.
I gotta say you just can't go wrong with a U87. You can snag one second hand for a little over 2G's. and you can mod to an MK67 later if you like.
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Post by ericn on Nov 26, 2018 11:20:32 GMT -6
It's a different game when you're choosing a mic for general purposes, mostly vocals. Rather than look for a custom fit, you look for a very good fit for all, and that is most definitely a U47, or something in that style. The Warm WA47 is surprisingly good on a budget, the Stam is excellent if you have time to wait for it. The Lewitt 640 is amazing for under 1k, it's like an AKG414, but with a bigger better bottom. I gotta say you just can't go wrong with a U87. You can snag one second hand for a little over 2G's. and you can mod to an MK67 later if you like. Personally I think a used Gefell um70/71 is a better generic vocal mic for less $$!
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Post by Vincent R. on Nov 26, 2018 12:55:43 GMT -6
It's a different game when you're choosing a mic for general purposes, mostly vocals. Rather than look for a custom fit, you look for a very good fit for all, and that is most definitely a U47, or something in that style. The Warm WA47 is surprisingly good on a budget, the Stam is excellent if you have time to wait for it. The Lewitt 640 is amazing for under 1k, it's like an AKG414, but with a bigger better bottom. I gotta say you just can't go wrong with a U87. You can snag one second hand for a little over 2G's. and you can mod to an MK67 later if you like. Personally I think a used Gefell um70/71 is a better generic vocal mic for less $$! You keep bringing this mic up. It’s making me wonder.
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Post by ericn on Nov 26, 2018 13:10:09 GMT -6
Personally I think a used Gefell um70/71 is a better generic vocal mic for less $$! You keep bringing this mic up. It’s making me wonder. It’s simply one of the best M7’s with a FET amplifier. Very hard to beat.
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