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Post by Tommy Harron on Nov 6, 2018 10:51:34 GMT -6
Hi, all.
I need a little help adding some new flavor to my 500 series rack. I'm looking for 2 pairs of modules with mic/line, so I can track and mix through them. I've got the Neve and Api flavors covered, so I'm looking for a color contrast.
Right now I have:
6 - Louder than Liftoff Chromas 2 - Rascal Audio Two-V
I've been considering TG2-500, Mercury AM16D, Purple Biz, but looking for annecdotes or other options.
Any suggestions are welcome!
Many thanks, Tommy
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Post by Blackdawg on Nov 6, 2018 14:55:22 GMT -6
You should look at the Platinum VP28 from CAPI. Has a built in DI and is two stage. Its not like a normal VP28 from what I've heard. Its got a smoothness to it while remaining punchy.
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Post by drbill on Nov 6, 2018 15:59:35 GMT -6
You've already got the 2 stage thing going on with the Chroma's. And also, neve or api at the flick of a switch. I'd look towards an A designs Pacifica variant - the P1 is a great pre (some peoples favorite pre of all), and it's cost effective, and different from what you already have.
I have a pair of Biz's. They are great, but not really that much different from what you have.
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Post by BradM on Nov 6, 2018 19:28:28 GMT -6
The P1 doesn't do line level. You'll need a line to mic pad in front of it.
Personally, I find myself in the camp of one flavor for the whole shebang as I find it gives me more cohesion and a consistent vibe. I'd probably look for a tube option if I was looking for a contrasting color. I can't think of anything that is both mic and line though.
Here's an idea. What about getting a very clean and uncolored preamp (I like the True PT2-500) and then adding another piece after it that lets you swap out different flavors.
Brad
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 6, 2018 20:09:11 GMT -6
You should look at the Platinum VP28 from CAPI. Has a built in DI and is two stage. Its not like a normal VP28 from what I've heard. Its got a smoothness to it while remaining punchy. Way different than the regular 28 imo. I love mine.
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Post by guitfiddler on Nov 7, 2018 5:48:38 GMT -6
You should look at the Platinum VP28 from CAPI. Has a built in DI and is two stage. Its not like a normal VP28 from what I've heard. Its got a smoothness to it while remaining punchy. Way different than the regular 28 imo. I love mine. Interesting...I need a CAPI experience
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Post by guitfiddler on Nov 7, 2018 5:49:50 GMT -6
Aren’t those P1’s just a hair different than a Great River NV?
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Post by drbill on Nov 7, 2018 9:48:22 GMT -6
You should look at the Platinum VP28 from CAPI. Has a built in DI and is two stage. Its not like a normal VP28 from what I've heard. Its got a smoothness to it while remaining punchy. Way different than the regular 28 imo. I love mine. Hey John! Did you sell your originals then, or are you keeping them - and how would you describe the differences? Thx.
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Post by Blackdawg on Nov 7, 2018 9:55:52 GMT -6
Way different than the regular 28 imo. I love mine. Hey John! Did you sell your originals then, or are you keeping them - and how would you describe the differences? Thx. You should DL the PT session Jeff made with all the preamps. It's pretty cool to hear them all.
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Post by BradM on Nov 7, 2018 10:43:46 GMT -6
Aren’t those P1’s just a hair different than a Great River NV? The P1 is essentially a 500 series Pacifica, but with a different output transformer. This is Quad Eight heritage. I use them interchangeably in my studio. The Great River is a Neve inspired design. I feel like they are different textures entirely. The Great River is more weighty and smooth. The P1 has more presence to my ears. Brad
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 7, 2018 11:46:25 GMT -6
Way different than the regular 28 imo. I love mine. Hey John! Did you sell your originals then, or are you keeping them - and how would you describe the differences? Thx. I did...but just so I could float buying these. I would say these have more bottom end and are smoother in the mid and top. Thick with the API breakup when pushed
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Post by guitfiddler on Nov 7, 2018 13:14:26 GMT -6
Aren’t those P1’s just a hair different than a Great River NV? The P1 is essentially a 500 series Pacifica, but with a different output transformer. This is Quad Eight heritage. I use them interchangeably in my studio. The Great River is a Neve inspired design. I feel like they are different textures entirely. The Great River is more weighty and smooth. The P1 has more presence to my ears. Brad I liked both preamps, but never had them next to each other for comparison.
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Post by Mister Chase on Nov 7, 2018 15:22:16 GMT -6
I've heard plenty of Great River recordings but never used one. I use to own two P1's. The GR's always sounded rich and a bit soft but still punchy.
The P1's have an airy extended top that is wonderful a lot of times and annoying others. It's a very smooth pre with a slight smear to the sound. Very pretty sounding, still warm. I miss the pair I had sometimes but I just didn't find myself using them as a default, more of a specialty thing for me. I tend to favor the Neve or API flavors over the P1. Apparently the top they added was their own twist on the Q8 design. I may have liked them more without it.
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Post by guitfiddler on Nov 8, 2018 17:13:55 GMT -6
I’ve had really amazing results with Great River. I was always really interested in the P1 though.
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Post by M57 on Nov 8, 2018 17:31:25 GMT -6
The P1 is essentially a 500 series Pacifica, but with a different output transformer. This is Quad Eight heritage. I use them interchangeably in my studio. The Great River is a Neve inspired design. I feel like they are different textures entirely. The Great River is more weighty and smooth. The P1 has more presence to my ears. Brad I liked both preamps, but never had them next to each other for comparison. I have a P1 and an NV and I tracked a complete vocal with both just to compare. Paradoxically, I agree with everyone.. I ended up comping from both of them in the final mix and I'd have a hard time telling you which is where, if at all - they are that close. But when it comes to splitting hairs, and listening to the tracks soloed, I agree with Brad that the NV had more heft, and I would also say the Great River was a tad darker - but my ears are nowhere near refined as Brad's, so what I perceive as minute might be like getting slapped in face for some of you.
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Post by Blackdawg on Nov 8, 2018 17:51:45 GMT -6
Have you looked at the Hairball Lola preamps? Those are pretty interesting preamps. Not quite Neve..not quite API..great drum preamps.
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Post by drsax on Nov 8, 2018 21:53:19 GMT -6
I’ve used both the NV and P1 a lot. Both Great, but I almost always gave the edge to the GR NV, I really like it a lot. I sold the P1 to buy a second NV and use the NV pair a ton. What a great pre. I love Neve flavors and I think the NV is one of the most useful and flattering on so many sources... Neve-ish but more open and less congested in the midrange.
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Post by M57 on Nov 9, 2018 5:56:26 GMT -6
I’ve used both the NV and P1 a lot. Both Great, but I almost always gave the edge to the GR NV, I really like it a lot. I sold the P1 to buy a second NV and use the NV pair a ton. What a great pre. I love Neve flavors and I think the NV is one of the most useful and flattering on so many sources... Neve-ish but more open and less congested in the midrange. I ended up with the NV locked and loaded in my vocal chain, and the P1's pretty much stay on a stereo pair of SDCs for my piano.
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Post by drsax on Nov 9, 2018 8:58:49 GMT -6
I’ve used both the NV and P1 a lot. Both Great, but I almost always gave the edge to the GR NV, I really like it a lot. I sold the P1 to buy a second NV and use the NV pair a ton. What a great pre. I love Neve flavors and I think the NV is one of the most useful and flattering on so many sources... Neve-ish but more open and less congested in the midrange. I ended up with the NV locked and loaded in my vocal chain, and the P1's pretty much stay on a stereo pair of SDCs for my piano. Sweet. Both really great Pres!
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Post by Tommy Harron on Nov 9, 2018 9:41:28 GMT -6
I ended up with the NV locked and loaded in my vocal chain, and the P1's pretty much stay on a stereo pair of SDCs for my piano. Sweet. Both really great Pres! I wish either the P1 or Electrodyne 501 had the line-in option. Would really love to add that flavor, but alas.
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Post by BradM on Nov 9, 2018 12:13:07 GMT -6
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Post by Mister Chase on Nov 9, 2018 12:27:30 GMT -6
The electrodyne 501 is interesting to me because the P1 and 501 sound so totally different to me. The 501 is very fat and round. I tested this against Vintech Neve styles, I think Pacifica and some others in a studio. Wow is it fat.
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Post by joseph on Nov 9, 2018 12:35:09 GMT -6
The electrodyne 501 is interesting to me because the P1 and 501 sound so totally different to me. The 501 is very fat and round. I tested this against Vintech Neve styles, I think Pacifica and some others in a studio. Wow is it fat. Yes it really sounds very different. I love the transformer-coupled DI in the electrodyne. Sounds really good on synths too, not just pbass (where if I'm being honest I prefer amp anyway).
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Post by Tommy Harron on Nov 9, 2018 14:56:28 GMT -6
Thank you, Brad. That would help with some situations, but not with my incoming Cranborne 500ADAT, where the audio can travel back and forth via ADAT.
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Post by Tommy Harron on Nov 9, 2018 14:56:58 GMT -6
The electrodyne 501 is interesting to me because the P1 and 501 sound so totally different to me. The 501 is very fat and round. I tested this against Vintech Neve styles, I think Pacifica and some others in a studio. Wow is it fat. Yes it really sounds very different. I love the transformer-coupled DI in the electrodyne. Sounds really good on synths too, not just pbass (where if I'm being honest I prefer amp anyway). Good to know, as I'm a pbass guy.
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