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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 13, 2018 9:49:48 GMT -6
I haven't taken a close look at the Console 1 yet. So, it's basically a plug-in controller, switching knobs for a mouse? As for the emulations of recording consoles, that's a proprietary plug-n of Softube's?
Is it really that much nicer twisting a knob to control a parameter of a plug-in? I've never tried it.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 13, 2018 10:55:10 GMT -6
Yes but imagine a controller with like 20 built in plug ins, emulation famous consoles, with saturation and transient control built in.
All are mapped to the same controls so muscle memory happens fast and instead of intangible linod between you and the software a physical control, for user tactile awareness.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 13, 2018 12:55:05 GMT -6
I wonder sometime if between the gazillion plug-ins that come with Logic X, Dozens of UAD plug-ins for my Apollo, and all the Waves and other brand plugs I have if it will get confusing. For instance, If I instantiate a Logic, Soundtoys, Waves or Slate plug, I have to use a mouse, but for UAD and the Softube plugs, I use the Console 1? It seems it would be much cooler if it controlled every brand plug-in.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 13, 2018 15:17:43 GMT -6
Console one has no reverb nor delay I don't think so you still need those on your aux, but I think you would find that the ST plug ins are very very good and that you wouldn't use all those other plugs in. About 2/3rd of ua are mapped to C1 but not any of the ua channel strips.
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Post by Mister Chase on Dec 13, 2018 15:30:46 GMT -6
The real point of console 1 and what makes it great is the knob per function concept. There are many controllers out there that do not function that way. The c24 board where I work is not knob per function. I use the faders, solos, mutes and record arms but that's it. And the transport. There are far more buttons and knobs than that but I have to relearn how to multi function them every time. Each plugin is different.
Console one is the opposite. If I load the whole project with channels, I know that this particular knob always controls my low eq band bandwidth, this one the gain, this one the frequency.
I can quickly bounce from track to track just turning knobs to get sounds... Just like you would on a console. That's the beauty of it that no other controller gets. That's why I don't bother with any others.
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Post by mikec on Dec 13, 2018 17:40:12 GMT -6
I really liked Console One when I had it but found that there were significant number of plugins that I used religiously that Console One does not control. I think if I had started using Console One early before I had my go to plugins it would have been great and met most of my needs. I ended up selling mine only for that reason. I found now using the Avid Dock I get very good hands one knob twiddling on my most used plugins for the most part. If Console One ever becomes able to work with other third party plugins, I would be back on it in a minute.
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Post by keymod on Dec 14, 2018 4:05:11 GMT -6
Wiz, are you going all in the box?
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Post by M57 on Dec 14, 2018 5:33:13 GMT -6
I haven't pulled the trigger on a C1 yet; I guess I'm still on the fence weighing the pros and cons. One dedicated knob per function sounds very friendly, but of course you can't have your cake and eat it - the C1 doesn't control my other 'favorite' plugs. Technically, once I hit a button or two on my X-Touch, its knobs become temporarily 'dedicated' to whatever functions I want, and for pretty much any plugin. I haven't really taken the time to explore that, but right out of the box it seemed a bit cumbersome, and I feel like the way the knobs feel and function will not always right depending on the plug, so I don't use it that way. I do use it for transport and Global DAW features. I find it absolutely indispensable for zooming in and out of screens and arming/disarming tracks etc. remotely. Of course these are all things the C1 doesn't do so I understand there will be little overlap of functionality in that regard. Anyway, the bottom line is that I feel like I should be willing to commit to the quality and ability of C1's plugins, which means being willing to favor them over my current favorite channel strip plugins a good percentage of the time - otherwise I'm just throwing money away. jcoutu1 - is it still a keeper for you? Are your nits about its clunkiness fading ..or is it becoming more annoying?
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Post by wiz on Dec 14, 2018 5:38:19 GMT -6
Wiz, are you going all in the box? No way!!!!!! 8)
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 14, 2018 8:53:45 GMT -6
Trying to understand.. when using Console 1, I'm not able to use other brand plug-ins? Yes, I have some UAD plugs, could probably use some Softube plugs, but I use a few choice plug-ins from other companies all the time. Soundtoys, Slate, Waves, Relab, Liquid Sonic, among them.
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Post by mikec on Dec 14, 2018 9:00:11 GMT -6
Trying to understand.. when using Console 1, I'm not able to use other brand plug-ins? Yes, I have some UAD plugs, could probably use some Softube plugs, but I use a few choice plug-ins from other companies all the time. Soundtoys, Slate, Waves, Relab, Liquid Sonic, among them. Martin, you can use all your other plug-ins, they just can't be controlled with the Console One. You would just use them like you do now.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 14, 2018 11:46:19 GMT -6
Plus the UA plugs in that have been mapped to C1 can be controlled by it, but other 3rd party plug ins not.
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Post by Mister Chase on Dec 14, 2018 11:55:36 GMT -6
What would need to happen is C1 would need to be popular enough of an "infrastructure" that other companies would make their plugins C1 compatible. Since knob per function is the idea, they need to map at least similarly to how the C1 is laid out. I personally don't bother with but a couple UAD plugs in C1 because the beauty of channel redundancy trumps the need for various plugins. I can still use send return FX as I normally would. But EQ and comp stuff, I like to be all the same. That's part of the cohesive sound of the older days working on a board.
I sort of plan ahead when I listen to the rough mix or raw tracks. Will this need the flexibility of an SSL 4k? The punch of an API? The Neve thing? Then I go to town on it. If I really do hit a wall, then sure, I can use another strip or plugin on that channel. But it's rare.
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Post by keymod on Dec 14, 2018 12:46:41 GMT -6
Wiz, are you going all in the box? No way!!!!!! 8) Yeah Man, don't do anything that will disrupt the sound you got on Tiny Moments. That album sounds simply wonderful.
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Post by wiz on Dec 14, 2018 15:50:25 GMT -6
Yeah Man, don't do anything that will disrupt the sound you got on Tiny Moments. That album sounds simply wonderful. Thanks mate... thats really nice to hear. I played everything on that sang it and mixed and mastered it. It’s a huge amount of work and it’s lovely to get feedback on it. Gibes me a little lift up cheers Wiz
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 14, 2018 20:32:31 GMT -6
Still a keeper for me. I demo'd and purchased the API and TubeTech channels too. The Tube Tech sounds good, but is a bit clunky with the control mapping. I really like the API and SSL, sound wise and controller wise.
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Post by Mister Chase on Dec 14, 2018 23:35:56 GMT -6
Still a keeper for me. I demo'd and purchased the API and TubeTech channels too. The Tube Tech sounds good, but is a bit clunky with the control mapping. I really like the API and SSL, sound wise and controller wise. Right on. I haven't done the Tube Tech. I do have the Summit Tube that works in C1, though. It's it's own thing for sure.
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Post by keymod on Dec 15, 2018 5:13:09 GMT -6
Still a keeper for me. I demo'd and purchased the API and TubeTech channels too. The Tube Tech sounds good, but is a bit clunky with the control mapping. I really like the API and SSL, sound wise and controller wise. Jesse, are you still running everything through the Midas?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 15, 2018 6:20:58 GMT -6
Still a keeper for me. I demo'd and purchased the API and TubeTech channels too. The Tube Tech sounds good, but is a bit clunky with the control mapping. I really like the API and SSL, sound wise and controller wise. Jesse, are you still running everything through the Midas? Tracking through the Midas along with some outboard eq's and 40+ channels of compression. Mixing is all in the box.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 15, 2018 6:30:16 GMT -6
Still a keeper for me. I demo'd and purchased the API and TubeTech channels too. The Tube Tech sounds good, but is a bit clunky with the control mapping. I really like the API and SSL, sound wise and controller wise. Right on. I haven't done the Tube Tech. I do have the Summit Tube that works in C1, though. It's it's own thing for sure. I'm sure that with more use, the Tube-Tech will get more comfortable with the controller, it's just not like grabbing Pultec controls. I've also got the Summit, Trident and Fet comp, so I have a good number of flavors that I can reach for in the ecosystem.
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Post by keymod on Dec 15, 2018 7:58:38 GMT -6
Jesse, are you still running everything through the Midas? Tracking through the Midas along with some outboard eq's and 40+ channels of compression. Mixing is all in the box. Do you use the Midas for summing your ITB mixes?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 15, 2018 8:19:16 GMT -6
Tracking through the Midas along with some outboard eq's and 40+ channels of compression. Mixing is all in the box. Do you use the Midas for summing your ITB mixes? Nope. 100% ITB mixing.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 15, 2018 9:06:37 GMT -6
I'm curious if the UAD CL1B plug-in sounds any different than Softube's?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 15, 2018 9:22:07 GMT -6
I'm curious if the UAD CL1B plug-in sounds any different than Softube's? Softube made the UAD model. Softube now has an updated MKII though.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 15, 2018 9:44:47 GMT -6
So UAD hasn't followed that and still has only MK I?
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