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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 13, 2018 13:56:27 GMT -6
Console 1 hardware controls UAD plugins. That they have in common. That's why I asked. If I'm going in with C1, it would have been nice if it could control more than just C1 elements. Unfortunately, I can't really justify going to the UAD party. My C1 landed last night, but haven't had a chance to plug it in yet. That said, I'm already thinking about getting into UAD if the tactile feel of the C1 is what I think it will be. Seems to have potential to be best of both worlds.
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Post by jdc on Nov 13, 2018 14:22:33 GMT -6
That's why I asked. If I'm going in with C1, it would have been nice if it could control more than just C1 elements. Unfortunately, I can't really justify going to the UAD party. My C1 landed last night, but haven't had a chance to plug it in yet. That said, I'm already thinking about getting into UAD if the tactile feel of the C1 is what I think it will be. Seems to have potential to be best of both worlds. This is the exact path I'm headed down now. This is the best time of year to do it from what I've read, UAD usually runs it's best sales at the end of the year. The only advice I'd give is make good use of their two week demos to try every plug you can so you know what you'll use and what you won't.
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Post by ragan on Nov 13, 2018 14:50:23 GMT -6
You guys need to stop piquing my interest on things I have zero need of and make no practical sense.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 13, 2018 15:15:25 GMT -6
Well hold on there, while certainly you know what you are doing, if you haven’t used it, how do you know, you wouldn’t appreciate the C1 workflow and channel strips: huh ??
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 13, 2018 15:20:11 GMT -6
One thing about running ua plugs with C1 is you lose the grooveyvua GUI. The fancy gui’s you see are just for the ST channel strips.
They have a more basic simplified layout that looks like the C1 itself that runs the ua plug ins and just the name is specified in a title line.
So, while it’s important to use your ears, I did like the visual feedback for the ST channel strips and missed the ua plug in GUI ‘s.
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Post by jdc on Nov 13, 2018 15:48:42 GMT -6
One thing about running ua plugs with C1 is you lose the grooveyvua GUI. The fancy gui’s you see are just for the ST channel strips. They have a more basic simplified layout that looks like the C1 itself that runs the ua plug ins and just the name is specified in a title line. So, while it’s important to use your ears, I did like the visual feedback for the ST channel strips and missed the ua plug in GUI ‘s. This is an important point. It's funny how a good GUI can make something sound better haha
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Post by Guitar on Nov 13, 2018 15:51:40 GMT -6
I'm sort of interested in the idea of learning not to lean too much on fancy graphics. I'd like to mess around with another visual interface.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 13, 2018 16:34:39 GMT -6
That’s exactly what I did, stopped using the ua plugs completely and just used softube channel strips and Reverb in my daw.
The tactile part of C1, the workflow and muscle memory comes on pretty fast and I took to it quickly.
Ultimately, though it made me curious about the full Monty ob experience though, so I got my delta and all my ob gear and sold C1.
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Post by M57 on Nov 13, 2018 16:44:26 GMT -6
That’s exactly what I did, stopped using the ua plugs completely and just used softube channel strips and Reverb in my daw. The tactile part of C1, the workflow and muscle memory comes on pretty fast and I took to it quickly. Ultimately, though it made me curious about the full Monty ob experience though, so I got my delta and all my ob gear and sold C1. Wow, so the C1 might just be another rabbit hole.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 13, 2018 16:55:36 GMT -6
Depends whether you want to stay in the box or not. C1 and the st channel strips is way cheaper, completely recallable and you can get really good results.
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Post by lcr on Nov 13, 2018 19:09:15 GMT -6
Unbelievable... so the console 1 controls UAD plugins but does not control the UAD SSL 4k E plugin.... does it just make to much sense to use a UAD SSL on kick, snare, bass and lead vox, and use Console 1 SSL on the rest of the mix and be able to control both with the hardware? Geesh...
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 13, 2018 19:19:37 GMT -6
Ah why would ST want you to use UA channel strips with C1 grasshopper ? . About 2/3rds of ua plugs have been mapped over to C1 but none of the ua channel strips and ST has the ssl 4K and 9000, Brit channel (neve) and now API, so I don’t think the ua channel strips will ever get ported ?
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Post by Mister Chase on Nov 13, 2018 21:00:31 GMT -6
Yea. I doubt they will map out the UAD strips. No real need, IMO.
The whole idea of C1 is fast hands on mixing. I don't patch in a ton of other plugs. Rather, I use the built in consoles for 90% of what I do. Maybe an 1176 on vox for instance.
I do wish Softube would do a Neve 88r and 8068. Oh and a Trident A range... oh and an SSL G series... oh and a Flickinger... Oh and an MCI... oh and also an old RCA tube desk.. oh... nevermind.
I love the Softube consoles. I use them with the Console 1. I can also track through them. The UAD stuff, unless you have Unison, you cannot. I am a happy camper.
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Post by schmalzy on Nov 13, 2018 21:06:52 GMT -6
Console 1 hardware controls UAD plugins. That they have in common. That's why I asked. If I'm going in with C1, it would have been nice if it could control more than just C1 elements. Unfortunately, I can't really justify going to the UAD party. Many of the Softube plugins are also useable inside the C1 channel strip. You could put the API Console 1 gate/transient designer, Trident A Range EQ, and Softube CL1B compressor on the same channel strip all controllable from the C1 control surface. ...or the British Class A Console 1 EQ and drive, the UAD Pultec EQ, and the Softube SSL 9k gate. Softube has developed a REALLY cool system. I'm glad I was able to leap into it - I'm only on the SSL4k (default) strip with a couple UAD Legacy plugs but I could see going way deeper if it makes financial sense - everything sounds good so far so I don't doubt that there's at least one more Softube or UAD plugin (or bundle) that would fit right into the way I hear things.
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Post by schmalzy on Nov 13, 2018 21:16:10 GMT -6
The whole idea of C1 is fast hands on mixing. I don't patch in a ton of other plugs. Rather, I use the built in consoles for 90% of what I do. Maybe an 1176 on vox for instance. I do wish Softube would do ... a Trident A range... I love the Softube consoles. I use them with the Console 1. I can also track through them. The UAD stuff, unless you have Unison, you cannot. I am a happy camper. I have fairly good news for you regarding the Trident. It was a thing I was just thinking about the other day so I took a quick peek: www.softube.com/index.php?id=arange"For use with VST, VST3, Audio Units, AAX Native, AAX DSP and Console 1."
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Post by Mister Chase on Nov 13, 2018 21:21:41 GMT -6
The whole idea of C1 is fast hands on mixing. I don't patch in a ton of other plugs. Rather, I use the built in consoles for 90% of what I do. Maybe an 1176 on vox for instance. I do wish Softube would do ... a Trident A range... I love the Softube consoles. I use them with the Console 1. I can also track through them. The UAD stuff, unless you have Unison, you cannot. I am a happy camper. I have fairly good news for you regarding the Trident. It was a thing I was just thinking about the other day so I took a quick peek: www.softube.com/index.php?id=arange"For use with VST, VST3, Audio Units, AAX Native, AAX DSP and Console 1." Yes indeed. They do the EQ very well. I have the UAD one currently. I am kind of hoping for the whole strip though with the drive section etc. Since the EQ is $200 and possibly a whole strip $250 04 $300, I think I will wait and see for now.
I was biting my teeth waiting on the API console and they got that one out and I snatched it up. It's great. Let's hope they will continue to double down on this hardware piece with more consoles. I love a Neve 1073 and all but I would love a more functional Neve like an 88r sometime. Love C1.
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Post by wiz on Nov 13, 2018 23:33:57 GMT -6
I just grabbed A secondhand mkii on eBay with the British console thrown in for about 330 USD
Will report back
Cheers
Wiz
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Post by ragan on Nov 13, 2018 23:38:09 GMT -6
I just grabbed A secondhand mkii on eBay with the British console thrown in for about 330 USD Will report back Cheers Wiz please do!
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Post by Mister Chase on Nov 13, 2018 23:58:31 GMT -6
I just grabbed A secondhand mkii on eBay with the British console thrown in for about 330 USD Will report back Cheers Wiz I hope you like tone.
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Post by guitfiddler on Nov 14, 2018 1:45:04 GMT -6
As soon as UAD comes out with their controller everyone will be jumping to that? You think UAD will ever come out with a controller like an analog desk with scribble strips that show you which Unison plugin you have on that channel?
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Post by lcr on Nov 14, 2018 4:15:55 GMT -6
Ah why would ST want you to use UA channel strips with C1 grasshopper ? . About 2/3rds of ua plugs have been mapped over to C1 but none of the ua channel strips and ST has the ssl 4K and 9000, Brit channel (neve) and now API, so I don’t think the ua channel strips will ever get ported ? Thanks for that enlightenment. I think its silly to not support the UAD channel strips, its a channel strip controller and they support UAD plugins, grasshopper. Believe it or not its ok for someone to feel this way. Let’s stay on track and not discuss insects or fanboys.
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Post by M57 on Nov 14, 2018 5:26:16 GMT -6
I can also track through them. (Console 1)When you say you track through them, you don't mean print, do you?
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 14, 2018 7:21:49 GMT -6
They are also software competitors and after the initial porting of some UA plug ins, it seems to have stopped or not to include the UA channel strips.
At UA forum, people still speculate that UA may be building its own controller but I don’t know any factual basis for that.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 14, 2018 7:24:30 GMT -6
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Post by Mister Chase on Nov 14, 2018 9:36:07 GMT -6
I can also track through them. (Console 1)When you say you track through them, you don't mean print, do you? In Reaper, yes. There is an input fx chain that prints.
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