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Post by M57 on Nov 4, 2018 8:45:29 GMT -6
So I passed up on this a few years ago when I was considering a plugin suite purchase. I ended up with the Slate Everything Bundle. I realize they are very different animals, but for the budget conscious there is a fair amount of overlap. After all, the SEB does have the VMR (which I use somewhat infrequently), but I use the Virtual Buss Compressors quite a bit and Eiosis is hands down my favorite de-esser. Nevertheless, I'm pretty confident that I will prefer the C1's hardware interface over a mouse. I've read up quite a bit on it and have watched at least an hour+ of video reviews, so I'm pretty up to speed on how it works, but I have a couple more questions..
1. In one review the reviewer said that it crashed on Mac running Logic when the computer went to sleep - requiring a reboot of the hardware and quitting and restarting of the Console 1 software. Is this still a problem? He claimed it was no big deal ..Are you kidding? Of course his review was full of nothing but superlatives, which is always a red flag for me..
2. What can I look forward to when it comes to up-charges? I can already envision that I'll want and probably even prefer the XL 9000K console emulation (My recordings are more on the acoustic side of things). Then there's the "British Class A," and "Summit Audio Grand Console Are there more? I was fast-forwarding through one video review and I got the impression that one of them has more of a pultec style EQ, which I know I'm going to covet. Not being familiar with the RL boards, I don't know which it might be.
3. One downside I can imagine: What if I want to insert a non-C1 plugin in between two C1 Modules? Can I run two instances on the same channel or does that cause some kind of routing or usage nightmare? I don't use UAD or any Softube products. Are there any other third party plugins that are supported?
I'm pretty sure this thing is fabulous and I suspect most of you will tell me that it is a miraculous game-changer, which will of course make me want it even more desperately. So if it's at all possible please dig deep and give me another reason NOT to buy it.
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Post by stormymondays on Nov 4, 2018 9:03:07 GMT -6
Short replies (on phone). Yes, buy it.
1. Yes, it happens infrequently. It really is no big deal. Unplug/plug and restart the software. If it was such a big deal I would configure Mac to never sleep.
2. You don’t need anything extra. The included SSL 4000 is amazing. I did buy the Neve and the API on some sales, but you don’t need them. The API is really good too.
3. You can’t. And you won’t need to!
It really changed my mixing and this year I won’t be renewing the Slate bundle. I just need the Slate tape (which I own), and MAYBE the buss compressors for the few times I’m entirely in the box.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 4, 2018 9:08:29 GMT -6
1. Was never an issue here , ran flawlessly with logic. 2. You will want all 4: 2 ssl, Brit and API. Remember, you can put different channel strips on different channels in same session, so API for guitars and bass, Brit on drums, Ssl 9k for clean synths or what ever.
3. The multi fx chain chain with C1 is set, but you are instantiating it in your daw so could put other plugs before or after it. I doubt you will do that much.
I think you will find st plug ins are as good as ua. I stopped using my ua completely, while using C1, no one said anything about a sound quality drop.
There is a $100 off coupon and apparently Sweetwater has dropped its price$50.
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Post by M57 on Nov 4, 2018 9:12:20 GMT -6
There is a $100 off coupon and apparently Sweetwater has dropped its price$50. That's not a reason NOT to buy it
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 4, 2018 9:13:35 GMT -6
I will leave that distinction to your monetary discretion!
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Post by jdc on Nov 4, 2018 11:28:18 GMT -6
i just switched over and love it so far. it's making me want to integrate UAD plugs just for ease of use. getting my hands on a controller has made my mixes come together much quicker (like better mixes in a quarter of the time).
i bought the neve, api and tube tech console emulations, my favorite being the api.
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Post by M57 on Nov 4, 2018 12:26:55 GMT -6
Most everywhere I look, be it at Sweetwater, other retailers, or even at the Softube site, the images for the C1 only include the first bank of track numbers (#1-20) at the top of the unit, but in this video, I see numbers for the second bank. I wonder if the current sale reflects an unloading of old stock and if there are any additional upgrades that may not be included in the older units.
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Post by ragan on Nov 4, 2018 12:49:40 GMT -6
I've always kind of toyed with the idea of trying Console 1. Never quite enough to pull the trigger.
Isn't there some channel mapping thing with Pro Tools that's annoying?
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Post by stormymondays on Nov 4, 2018 13:17:43 GMT -6
Most everywhere I look, be it at Sweetwater, other retailers, or even at the Softube site, the images for the C1 only include the first bank of track numbers (#1-20) at the top of the unit, but in this video, I see numbers for the second bank. I wonder if the current sale reflects an unloading of old stock and if there are any additional upgrades that may not be included in the older units. The older mkI units are long gone. I have one of those and it retains the same functionality as the current mkII
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Post by jdc on Nov 4, 2018 13:48:56 GMT -6
I've always kind of toyed with the idea of trying Console 1. Never quite enough to pull the trigger. Isn't there some channel mapping thing with Pro Tools that's annoying? For pro tools you need to add the instances of the plugin in the order you want them to show up inside the console 1 controller. Because of this I make sure all of my editing and preliminary processing is out of the way before console 1 gets added. New channels in pro tools will mess up your arrangement on the console 1 controller. All that being said, it's easy to rearrange the track order in console 1 if you decide to move things around, it takes less than 30 seconds to rearrange a whole session once you're comfortable.
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Post by the other mark williams on Nov 4, 2018 14:05:09 GMT -6
I've always kind of toyed with the idea of trying Console 1. Never quite enough to pull the trigger. Isn't there some channel mapping thing with Pro Tools that's annoying? ditto, except Logic... Aren't there some kind of functions only available in Studio One?
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 4, 2018 14:55:49 GMT -6
I think you are thinking about faderport having more functionality in studio one ?
I used C1 with logic and enjoyed the experience, like any piece of gear it is it’s own little world but I found using it quickly became second nature.
Most importantly, it really aligns what you are doing tactiley with what you are hearing, so mixing becomes both more focussed and more engrossing, in a good non frustrating way unlike mouse clicking.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 6, 2018 3:24:55 GMT -6
On sale at jrr and Eric normally has extra discount, if you ask nice maybe he can deal some extra consoles too ?
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 6, 2018 14:27:07 GMT -6
$355.11usd at jrrshop. $399 sale price and use discount code: Forum for 11% off. Free U.S. shipping.
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Post by M57 on Nov 10, 2018 7:54:56 GMT -6
Seeing as C1 supports a number of UAD plugs, does the UAD system require UAD hardware? Or can it be installed and run entirely native? I have the Motu 828ES. Alternatively, is it possible to use my MOTU 828 for AD/DA and routing AND have a separate dedicated box (UAD) for running plugs (on an Imac)? ..or is that a very inefficient use of funds? If so, are there any affordable third-party external devices that can run UAD plugs? I just want to know if I should even consider getting into the UAD world given that I have a MOTU box.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 10, 2018 7:58:49 GMT -6
Seeing as C1 supports a number of UAD plugs, does the UAD system require UAD hardware? Or can it be installed and run entirely native? I have the Motu 828ES. Alternatively, is it possible to use my MOTU 828 for AD/DA and routing AND have a separate dedicated box (UAD) for running plugs (on an Imac)? ..or is that a very inefficient use of funds? If so, are there any affordable third-party external devices that can run UAD plugs? I just want to know if I should even consider getting into the UAD world given that I have a MOTU box. You would need a UAD satellite, which handles the processing. They don't run native. I have a console 1 landing today. 😁😁😁
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 10, 2018 8:51:58 GMT -6
There are lots of used satellites around quad and octo ($5-800 usd) max.
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Post by jdc on Nov 10, 2018 9:27:51 GMT -6
Seeing as C1 supports a number of UAD plugs, does the UAD system require UAD hardware? Or can it be installed and run entirely native? I have the Motu 828ES. Alternatively, is it possible to use my MOTU 828 for AD/DA and routing AND have a separate dedicated box (UAD) for running plugs (on an Imac)? ..or is that a very inefficient use of funds? If so, are there any affordable third-party external devices that can run UAD plugs? I just want to know if I should even consider getting into the UAD world given that I have a MOTU box. We have motu's at the studio so I'll track there (the motu's offer quality I/O at a much more competitive price) and then i'll take everything home and mix with the Softube and UA plugs (just starting to get into UA plugs, i'm taking my time trying to learn what's worth the cost and what's not)
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Post by M57 on Nov 10, 2018 10:19:18 GMT -6
Seeing as C1 supports a number of UAD plugs, does the UAD system require UAD hardware? Or can it be installed and run entirely native? I have the Motu 828ES. Alternatively, is it possible to use my MOTU 828 for AD/DA and routing AND have a separate dedicated box (UAD) for running plugs (on an Imac)? ..or is that a very inefficient use of funds? If so, are there any affordable third-party external devices that can run UAD plugs? I just want to know if I should even consider getting into the UAD world given that I have a MOTU box. We have motu's at the studio so I'll track there (the motu's offer quality I/O at a much more competitive price) and then i'll take everything home and mix with the Softube and UA plugs (just starting to get into UA plugs, i'm taking my time trying to learn what's worth the cost and what's not) I was reading the "What's your favorite UAD plug thread" and it peaked my interest because the Console 1 is on my wish list. However, I just purchased the MOTU a few months ago after deciding that the entry level UAD didn't quite tick all the boxes. Also, at this point I'm "invested" in the Slate Bundle, and while I acknowledge that I'm only cherry-picking its wares, I find the ones I use to be indispensable. Once you purchase a UAD plug, do you have to pay for upgrades? They just seem so damn expensive.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 10, 2018 11:02:22 GMT -6
There are no UA upgrades like waves. With original plug ins when they re do them they typically map the whole circuit and then you can pay or not for the mkii.
Only buy UA stuff when it is on sale, never at full retail.
And be patient and wait for UA's bundle sales as you can pick their best plug ins and get them at 1/3rd of retail
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Post by Mister Chase on Nov 10, 2018 11:09:55 GMT -6
Will be waiting for a deal on the 480L.
Seriously, have fun with the console 1. It's a great way to work. Sounds great, too. Latency is low enough that you can track through it, if I recall.
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Post by sirthought on Nov 12, 2018 11:26:03 GMT -6
Since you are already invested in a MOTU interface and the Slate Bundle, why not just work with those? UAD plugins are really good (Apollo + Satellite owner here), but you can get professional results without them. UAD is a rabbit hole of waiting months for sales and still spending more than other options. Very good results, but not essential. A UAD Satellite is going to be a big investment before you even get the plugins. The Console 1's biggest asset is the SSL plugin you get, which has nothing to do with UAD, and you can run it native. That is a bigger value purchase. I'd say to anyone considering a new interface to seriously look at Apollo X as an option, but if you already have an interface you like, the plugins are a really huge investment. I own 32 of them and I'm still jonesing for real hardware that I probably should have invested in already.
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Post by lcr on Nov 12, 2018 18:04:23 GMT -6
Console 1 hardware controls UAD plugins. That they have in common.
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Post by M57 on Nov 12, 2018 18:51:00 GMT -6
Console 1 hardware controls UAD plugins. That they have in common. That's why I asked. If I'm going in with C1, it would have been nice if it could control more than just C1 elements. Unfortunately, I can't really justify going to the UAD party.
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Post by Guitar on Nov 13, 2018 13:55:41 GMT -6
I'm really interested in this because of how DSP heavy the UAD ssl MK II plugin is, I think my CPU could run tons of Console 1 plugins.
Also slightly interested in the hardware control element.
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