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Post by the other mark williams on Nov 29, 2018 20:00:38 GMT -6
Also, when playing live, I vastly prefer my combo amps to having separate heads and cabs. But when pondering this kind of solution, I wish I had heads instead.
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Post by matt on Nov 29, 2018 20:31:33 GMT -6
The Studio, while pricey, is one of the best investments I've ever made in outboard. Cool. Is it possible to record a "dry" and "wet" signal through it at the same time, in case one would want to use a plugin IR loader after the fact? I don't know how much I would actually do that, but I'm curious to know if it's even possible. If I remember correctly, you can also load 3rd-party cab IRs into it? I haven't done either, but yes, and yes- probably. I run mine mono, and it's configurable. Two Notes has a store where you can buy 3rd party IRs but I've never felt the need to wander outside of the included cabs. I do not know if you can load any IR, from anywhere- the method might be proprietary.
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Post by the other mark williams on Nov 29, 2018 20:48:30 GMT -6
Cool. Is it possible to record a "dry" and "wet" signal through it at the same time, in case one would want to use a plugin IR loader after the fact? I don't know how much I would actually do that, but I'm curious to know if it's even possible. If I remember correctly, you can also load 3rd-party cab IRs into it? I haven't done either, but yes, and yes- probably. I run mine mono, and it's configurable. Two Notes has a store where you can buy 3rd party IRs but I've never felt the need to wander outside of the included cabs. I do not know if you can load any IR, from anywhere- the method might be proprietary. Thanks so much, matt. This is great info. The Torpedo Studio might be a little pricey, but it's still a bit less than a Kemper...
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 30, 2018 21:50:51 GMT -6
Ohhhh the agony! I can’t decide what to do lol. The Kemper is more versatile and has more sounds and easier to record with effects...but I could totally use some of the UAD amps and get great results. I’ve done it before. But the Kemper is an extra $1200...and my cheapness is bothering me. Somebody convince me one way or the other...
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Post by sirthought on Nov 30, 2018 22:20:50 GMT -6
Sounds like you should sell it and move on. If you are recording (not playing out), the UAD amps should get you what you need to have a good track.
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 30, 2018 23:21:36 GMT -6
I bought the IAD Fender Tweed sim a while back. I liked it, but wasn’t blown away. I like my Kemper for its ease of use, but...
I did throw up my modded MK67->RTZ pre mic’ing my Swart AST the other day. Kemper beat the raw tone of the amp right off the bat.
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 1, 2018 1:07:56 GMT -6
I bought the IAD Fender Tweed sim a while back. I liked it, but wasn’t blown away. I like my Kemper for its ease of use, but... I did throw up my modded MK67->RTZ pre mic’ing my Swart AST the other day. Kemper beat the raw tone of the amp right off the bat. Wow, really? Seriously, tell me more. That’s a good chain you’re saying got beat by a Kemper.
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Post by ragan on Dec 1, 2018 2:05:37 GMT -6
Better yet, post clips so we can decide. I'd love to throw some into the DAW and listen blind. Maybe I'll pick the Kemper and revive the dream.
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 1, 2018 2:39:51 GMT -6
Better yet, post clips so we can decide. I'd love to throw some into the DAW and listen blind. Maybe I'll pick the Kemper and revive the dream. hahaha, yes! What is dead may never die. I’d love to be able to A/B those.
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Post by indiehouse on Dec 1, 2018 5:13:13 GMT -6
For sure. I’ll try and throw something up. The only caveat is that it was raw. I didn’t clean the mud or anything out of the raw track.
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Post by lcr on Dec 1, 2018 8:19:27 GMT -6
^^ even better
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Post by lcr on Dec 1, 2018 8:21:10 GMT -6
Still digging the free Britt Dirtly Shirley. Hey JohnK (or anybody..) can you recommend a good clean Fendery profile?
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Post by lcr on Dec 1, 2018 8:27:52 GMT -6
Of course I can scroll thru 10 million models and find a good clean sound, but JohnK emplied he might’ve put some time into finding a good one(s). I hope he made a note of which he liked everytime selling his Kemper! Lol.
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Post by lcr on Dec 1, 2018 8:29:02 GMT -6
... or maybe some of your fav cleans arent Fenders.. you mentioned the deluxe which many breakup.
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Post by ragan on Dec 1, 2018 10:39:45 GMT -6
For sure. I’ll try and throw something up. The only caveat is that it was raw. I didn’t clean the mud or anything out of the raw track. That would be cool, although the “real track is muddier” is now gonna give it away. Maybe mess with micnplacement more? I wanna not immediately know which is which. But of course it’s your time I’m messing with so whatever you’re able to post will be great. Thanks!
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 1, 2018 10:51:40 GMT -6
Better yet, post clips so we can decide. I'd love to throw some into the DAW and listen blind. Maybe I'll pick the Kemper and revive the dream. You seem to be convinced that you would pick the Kemper out every time...Maybe I’m wrong, but I just don’t think there’s a “tell” so to speak. Now, playing it, sure. I don’t think there’s near as much touch or dynamics as the real thing... I seem to learn something new every time I have one of these things...it’s always been more about me trying to find a cheaper way to get things done than my want to give it up...
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 1, 2018 11:08:02 GMT -6
Still digging the free Britt Dirtly Shirley. Hey JohnK (or anybody..) can you recommend a good clean Fendery profile? There’s a Mbritt 65 Champ through a 3rd Power 2x12 that’s badass. Here’s a few off the top of my head. Mbritt - Pro Reverb, 74 SF Champ, 62 Deluxe, Tweed TAF - 65 Princeton, Fender EC Tremolux, 68 Deluxe Jazz modded, Fender 53 Deluxe There’s also a killer Supro 1624 and all of the Tone Junkies stuff is really good. They have some really good Milkman profiles called Dairyboy too.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 1, 2018 11:09:34 GMT -6
Well - I re-read. All of those were kind of my Fender breakup crunch tones. Try the Dairyboy for a really great clean.
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Post by ragan on Dec 1, 2018 11:10:11 GMT -6
Better yet, post clips so we can decide. I'd love to throw some into the DAW and listen blind. Maybe I'll pick the Kemper and revive the dream. You seem to be convinced that you would pick the Kemper out every time...Maybe I’m wrong, but I just don’t think there’s a “tell” so to speak. Now, playing it, sure. I don’t think there’s near as much touch or dynamics as the real thing... I seem to learn something new every time I have one of these things...it’s always been more about me trying to find a cheaper way to get things done than my want to give it up... It’s just that I have picked it out every time I try one. And in the clips other people have posted I pick it out. But that’s exactly why I always like hearing comparisons. I wanna pile up some examples where I CANT pick it out. If the Kemper did it for me sonically it would make things so easy. I’ve always rooted for it for that reason.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 1, 2018 11:15:06 GMT -6
Is it something you find plasticky or something? Do you find the Kemper to be objectively worse? Because in a tune you would only be able to hear the Kemper... I guess I’m just saying even if I found examples of a real amp vs. Kemper to be a tiny bit different, I didn’t think one was particularly better than the other. I’m sure in the room the amp has that chest thump, but the end result always sounded pretty spot on. But we all have different thresholds for what we want out of different things - my amp threshold might not be as high as yours. It’s kind of like synth stuff...when people start talking about warming up their analog synth sounds through vintage pres...I’m kindve like...er...ok, that isn’t a dramatic change to me.
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Post by ragan on Dec 1, 2018 11:53:01 GMT -6
Is it something you find plasticky or something? Do you find the Kemper to be objectively worse? Because in a tune you would only be able to hear the Kemper... I guess I’m just saying even if I found examples of a real amp vs. Kemper to be a tiny bit different, I didn’t think one was particularly better than the other. I’m sure in the room the amp has that chest thump, but the end result always sounded pretty spot on. But we all have different thresholds for what we want out of different things - my amp threshold might not be as high as yours. It’s kind of like synth stuff...when people start talking about warming up their analog synth sounds through vintage pres...I’m kindve like...er...ok, that isn’t a dramatic change to me. It's a lack of dimension. When I've owned the Kemper, I've taken tracks I'm working on, almost always with a pair of wide rhythm guitars, and swapped in Kemper tracks for the mic'd amp tracks. The Kemper tracks (MBritt are the ones I was mostly relying on) just sound flatter. Less distinct, less punchy, more similar across various types of tones. That video from the first page of this thread (which we already talked about) shows it pretty well at that time stamp I referenced in the post. The profile totally gets in the ballpark of the general tone, and like I've said, I think the Kemper is the best sounding option for amp sim. The UAD stuff and the Ox and everything else I've tried (should note I've not tried the last couple UAD sims) have fallen short of the Kemper to my ear. But for me, it just still sounds flattened and a little smeary/non-distinct. And the workflow I'm comparing it to is my isolation cab setup. There's no 'amp in the room' component. I'm only ever listening to the recorded sound coming out my monitors. Edit: and for high gain stuff, I think the Kemper very well may be totally good enough. The differences I always find are much less pronounced on the shreddier stuff, which I suspect may be the reason that 99% of the Kemper demos out there are metal-y, stunt-guitar kind of stuff. Even when not metal-y, it's still usually high gain tones you hear demo'd. Edit II: and again, I hope it's clear I don't mean to slag the Kemper. I think it's amazing and if I had more discretionary gear money I'd still have one. I think it's the best option for simulated elec guitar. That I've heard anyway.
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Post by lcr on Dec 1, 2018 12:15:22 GMT -6
Also the trade off transporting a half stack / full stack (metal) for a kemper is greater than a open back combo (many other styles of music). Metal guys need the space in the van!
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Post by lcr on Dec 1, 2018 12:17:09 GMT -6
Thanks JohnK, I’ll see if I already have any of the suggestions and report back
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Post by lcr on Dec 1, 2018 12:20:45 GMT -6
As fun as it is putting on cans and turning on some huge delay and reverb with the Kemper, I now track mono dry. I’ll use pedalboard style fx including a mono delay when needed. Getting much better results using the kemper mono with no post kemper fx. FX later in the daw.
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Post by keymod on Dec 1, 2018 12:52:50 GMT -6
Do you guys use the Kemper recording Direct with a line out off of the Kemper? How would it work if you ran that signal into a nice monitor and recorded the monitor in the room as if it were the amp itself?
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