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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 22, 2018 19:34:36 GMT -6
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Post by Blackdawg on Oct 22, 2018 19:41:59 GMT -6
Locomotive's affordable line. Cool.
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Post by guitfiddler on Oct 23, 2018 0:58:06 GMT -6
Just when you think the coast is clear...shazbot!
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Post by javamad on Oct 23, 2018 3:01:12 GMT -6
$100 surcharge for living outside the USA ... its not clear at all if this is extra shipping or what ...
I guess its a case of “Lets make America Weight again” :-)
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Post by ericn on Oct 23, 2018 6:52:03 GMT -6
$100 surcharge for living outside the USA ... its not clear at all if this is extra shipping or what ... I guess its a case of “Lets make America Weight again” :-) I get the idea that it sucks when a manufacturer up charges for sales out of country but let me make a couple of points having been a gear pimp and sold personal gear across boarders. First in this case IMHO if this thing delivers at even the non US price it still is a bargain. Now even if this isn’t including shipping, for a small manufacturer the hidden costs of selling an item even to Canada can eat at your margins, exchange rates, exchange fees, paperwork for customs just the time of dealing with it all costs money, if this fee is covering customs fees and not shipping it’s not a bad deal. There is a good chance that this is an up charge for a PSU / transformer that covers 220 v mains, I can see that as being fair if you know 90% of your sales will be domestic and you can hold the cost of the domestic market down enough. Yes it would suck to be on the other side of that kind of situation but as a seller and as a buyer I have uddenly seen my real costs on import and exports sky rocket ( try importing a new Transmission for an AMG C32 when MBUSA has none in country, god I miss that car but not the costs).
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Post by EmRR on Oct 23, 2018 7:39:40 GMT -6
$100 surcharge for living outside the USA ... its not clear at all if this is extra shipping or what ... I guess its a case of “Lets make America Weight again” :-) What ericn said, and it's a smaller discount, not a surcharge. Shipping anything out of the US on an irregular basis is a huge time and labor sucking pain.
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Post by Ward on Oct 23, 2018 8:08:39 GMT -6
I wish to God, all these preamps had some sort of VU meter than could show input and output levels.
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Post by ericn on Oct 23, 2018 8:21:48 GMT -6
I wish to God, all these preamps had some sort of VU meter than could show input and output levels. I used to be a big, I have to have a meter kind of guy, but my Dan Alexander’s , CAPI , and using a ton of gear with cool looking but in reality poorly implemented meters changed me. That said the live guy and remote recording guy in me will always relie on meters in a large scale situation for simple house keeping. I’ll also admit in those situations to leaning more towards using the same pre on everything, rather than cherry picking pres in those situations so I have the same metering on everything and know what the meter is really telling me.
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Post by donr on Oct 23, 2018 9:00:39 GMT -6
I could be happy with just LED's for signal present and clipping. If something's mis-patched and you hear nothing, at least you know if you're getting signal to the unit.
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Post by Ward on Oct 23, 2018 9:44:34 GMT -6
I could be happy with just LED's for signal present and clipping. If something's mis-patched and you hear nothing, at least you know if you're getting signal to the unit. Nailed it! Thanks Buck!!
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Post by EmRR on Oct 23, 2018 10:23:41 GMT -6
I could be happy with just LED's for signal present and clipping. If something's mis-patched and you hear nothing, at least you know if you're getting signal to the unit. The problem with that is it's as much or more circuitry than the preamp itself, and a different power supply to do it. You can add significantly to the price, or you can use one of the other downstream meters we already have. I don't think I own a preamp with metering, and have never really thought about it as a problem. 2 pieces have clip LED's, and they don't tell anything I find useful other than in loud live remote situations where you can't hear anything at all, even then they are a secondary early warning system, with the ADC levels still primary. And....it's the budget line....there's probably a Locomotive unit that does all that. That's just me....
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Post by Guitar on Oct 23, 2018 10:31:15 GMT -6
#jsteig 's new CAPI Platinum preamps all have big meters on them... pretty cool
even the kit version of the VP28 has a signal present LED... I think I'm planning to order a VP28 kit in the first week of November
if my fickle mind doesn't change by then LOL!
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Post by donr on Oct 23, 2018 12:33:57 GMT -6
I could be happy with just LED's for signal present and clipping. If something's mis-patched and you hear nothing, at least you know if you're getting signal to the unit. The problem with that is it's as much or more circuitry than the preamp itself, and a different power supply to do it. You can add significantly to the price, or you can use one of the other downstream meters we already have. I don't think I own a preamp with metering, and have never really thought about it as a problem. 2 pieces have clip LED's, and they don't tell anything I find useful other than in loud live remote situations where you can't hear anything at all, even then they are a secondary early warning system, with the ADC levels still primary. And....it's the budget line....there's probably a Locomotive unit that does all that. That's just me.... Doug, would it be a big deal to include a light showing signal present at the input of the device? That's my only beef with pre's that don't have metering.
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Post by drbill on Oct 23, 2018 13:03:49 GMT -6
I lobbied for Jeff to put a signal present LED on the vp28's when he was designing them. Luckily for all of us, he decided to do it. It was the first of his pre's to do that. Now he's got full metering....
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 23, 2018 14:15:48 GMT -6
I don't need metering. I'd prefer the cheaper price without the meter.
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Post by EmRR on Oct 23, 2018 14:31:36 GMT -6
The problem with that is it's as much or more circuitry than the preamp itself, and a different power supply to do it. You can add significantly to the price, or you can use one of the other downstream meters we already have. I don't think I own a preamp with metering, and have never really thought about it as a problem. 2 pieces have clip LED's, and they don't tell anything I find useful other than in loud live remote situations where you can't hear anything at all, even then they are a secondary early warning system, with the ADC levels still primary. And....it's the budget line....there's probably a Locomotive unit that does all that. That's just me.... Doug, would it be a big deal to include a light showing signal present at the input of the device? That's my only beef with pre's that don't have metering. A detector/indicator circuit like that still requires a separate power supply section for SS circuit voltages, plus the detection and LED driver circuit itself. In this sort of case I'm not sure that you don't have to have a parallel preamp circuit to raise mic level high enough to drive a detector circuit successfully. I don't know how cheaply it could be done, it certainly raises production costs, changes internal design, etc.
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Post by BradM on Oct 23, 2018 14:41:27 GMT -6
Do vintage V72's have meters? They don't even have gain knobs.
Eric is hitting a crazy good price point on this classic design. Will we care that there is one less blinking light in our studios if the sound coming out of our monitors is thick and juicy and dripping with harmonic sweetness?
Brad
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Post by wiz on Oct 23, 2018 14:47:15 GMT -6
Anyone know the tubes in it?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 23, 2018 15:02:29 GMT -6
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Post by Locomotive Audio on Oct 23, 2018 15:25:13 GMT -6
Hey All, thanks for the interest in this new pre! It has been fun to work on and finesse into its sweet spot. Also, the challenge of trying to bring the WT-72 in at a low cost for you has been exciting. Weight Tank is no mass-produced clone maker and will never be. So, having only a few hands touching, testing and listening to the units before they ship might be a little different for a product at this price point.
The presale was originally going to be N. America only, but after we've had some interest elsewhere, we've extended the invitation to our dealers outside of N. America. Because their services aren't free, this is the reason for the difference. Weight Tank can't undercut their pricing. Hope that makes sense and you still might choose to take advantage of the discount. :-)
Weight Tank is becoming its own independent brand under Locomotive and will see more products in the future that continue to offer cost-effective solutions.
All good feedback on this thread and very much appreciated.
Thanks again for your interest!
Eric
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Post by Locomotive Audio on Oct 23, 2018 15:30:22 GMT -6
Anyone know the tubes in it? Two EF86 style tubes... Either new EF86 EH tubes or NOS EF86 equivalent Svetlana Winged C 6J32P. Tubes will be selected based on their noise and performance. We will NOT be putting NOS Telefunken EF806s into these units. I promise!
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Oct 23, 2018 15:31:01 GMT -6
I'd be curious as to how they stack up. I'm using Mercury and love those. At this price, it would be great if they did. The M 72 is a boat anchor. Must be a lot of metal in there.
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Post by drbill on Oct 23, 2018 15:44:26 GMT -6
Do vintage V72's have meters? They don't even have gain knobs. Eric is hitting a crazy good price point on this classic design. Will we care that there is one less blinking light in our studios if the sound coming out of our monitors is thick and juicy and dripping with harmonic sweetness? Brad Amen to that!! ^^^
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Post by stormymondays on Oct 23, 2018 15:47:42 GMT -6
So can we preorder through a dealer in Europe? I got my Weight Tank from SX Pro in the U.K.
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Post by Locomotive Audio on Oct 23, 2018 15:52:42 GMT -6
So can we preorder through a dealer in Europe? I got my Weight Tank from SX Pro in the U.K. Yes Sir. They should have pricing on their website very soon. Weight Tank Dealers BTW: www.locomotiveaudio.com/weighttank-dealers
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