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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 13, 2018 8:43:23 GMT -6
Superior Drummer II sounds good, but most of the snare hits are just to damn smacky. The parameters in the GUI help a little, but not much, I guess because the original samples were just hit a bit too hard. Someone online mentioned they like Waves Bass Rider on drums.
Anyone ever tried this? Any other tips for taming the whack on Superior Drummers kick and snare?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 13, 2018 8:45:02 GMT -6
Sometimes I just want the "drummer" to lighten up just a little on a second verse, but it's never quite right. I know, get a real drummer, but I still need to learn how best to improve the sounds I'm getting using SD 2.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 13, 2018 9:02:46 GMT -6
Can't you just lower the midi velocity of the hits in the second verse?
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 13, 2018 9:05:12 GMT -6
Or lower the velocity in SD3
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 13, 2018 10:04:22 GMT -6
I've tried lowering midi velocity drum hit by drum hit, and it still isn't quite right. I haven't bought SD3 yet, not sure sure if I should bother.
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Post by lcr on Sept 13, 2018 10:13:17 GMT -6
Not sure what format of music, when you say smacky I think transients. Maybe try tape sims and / or a transient designer plugin reducing the attack hoping to soften the transient? Also a dynamic EQ ducking the initial attack of the smacky frequency range?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 13, 2018 12:00:30 GMT -6
Here's an example. I did this a few years back, so I might be able to make better choices now, but I think it's just the sample itself maybe wasn't the perfect choice. Still, I like it in most parts. I hope don't have to get into replacing drum samples. I'm just so bored with all the programming instead of playing.
https%3A//soundcloud.com/martin-john-butler/somethings-coming-mix-19
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 13, 2018 12:05:11 GMT -6
I have a few transient plug-ins, but never quite wrapped my head around them.
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Post by lcr on Sept 13, 2018 12:16:31 GMT -6
Well, im def not gonna technically explain it, but the attack control increases or decreases the transient what I would describe as the smack, or attack of a sound. The sustain knobs does the same for just that, the sustain. So if you want more “crack” from the snare you would increase the attack control, if you want less you would cut.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 13, 2018 12:20:34 GMT -6
I'll give that a try next time I'm tracking, thanks LCR.
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Post by swurveman on Sept 13, 2018 16:20:35 GMT -6
Well, im def not gonna technically explain it, but the attack control increases or decreases the transient what I would describe as the smack, or attack of a sound. The sustain knobs does the same for just that, the sustain. So if you want more “crack” from the snare you would increase the attack control, if you want less you would cut. You can also work with the envelope in SD. Here's the video. That being said, I always felt the Avatar rooms were really bright and snare cracky. |
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Post by lcr on Sept 13, 2018 16:36:02 GMT -6
I am a fan of bass rider on bass and vocal rider on vocals. I havent used them for anything else.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 13, 2018 16:58:53 GMT -6
That's one thing I was curious about, to see if it works for drums. I'll give it a try over the weekend if I can.
Thanks Swurveman, that video was helpful. I tried using the envelope on the snares but couldn't quite get it right. I'll try harder next time. That Fade control in the mixer is something I wasn't aware of and could be really helpful too.
I've never used their built in plug-ins, do you guys use them?
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Post by ragan on Sept 13, 2018 17:05:26 GMT -6
I haven’t used SD2 but in SD3 you can make the hit sound pretty much like whatever you want. It’s ridiculously flexible.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 13, 2018 17:07:28 GMT -6
I probably need to get the upgrade to III, but I just keep thinking I could use that cash towards another mic. Does Toontracks ever have sales?
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Post by swurveman on Sept 13, 2018 17:32:08 GMT -6
That's one thing I was curious about, to see if it works for drums. I'll give it a try over the weekend if I can. Thanks Swurveman, that video was helpful. I tried using the envelope on the snares but couldn't quite get it right. I'll try harder next time. That Fade control in the mixer is something I wasn't aware of and could be really helpful too. I've never used their built in plug-ins, do you guys use them? I don't use their built in plugins. I always stemmed the close mics, overheads and rooms to DAW channels and used my plugins. That being said, I have found that using a real drummer and augmenting his sound with Slate trigger samples to be much more enjoyable and with better results. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 13, 2018 17:43:16 GMT -6
One of these years I'll get into triggering samples, but I'm not ready just yet.
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Post by the other mark williams on Sept 13, 2018 22:53:10 GMT -6
During the making of my last full-length album of original material, I was forced into using SD2 for most of the album. I was living on a desert island in the South Pacific at the time, and really had no other options. I learned a *lot* of tricks to get SD2 to sit right for me. I can go into them over the next couple days, Martin John Butler, but my first question is: what kit(s) are you using? Several of the expansion packs are *far* better at taming the transient attack, and require much less work to sit in the mix. One of my favorites is the "Custom & Vintage" pack. Chris Whitten did a *phenomenal* job playing those kits in a very tight, dry room. The result is very much a "Sea Change" vibe. He hit the drums in a much more real-world way, as opposed to the Nir Z 126-127 snare hits. (Don't get me wrong, Nir Z is a great drummer.) |
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Post by ragan on Sept 13, 2018 23:19:51 GMT -6
During the making of my last full-length album of original material, I was forced into using SD2 for most of the album. I was living on a desert island in the South Pacific at the time, and really had no other options. I learned a *lot* of tricks to get SD2 to sit right for me. I can go into them over the next couple days, Martin John Butler , but my first question is: what kit(s) are you using? Several of the expansion packs are *far* better at taming the transient attack, and require much less work to sit in the mix. One of my favorites is the "Custom & Vintage" pack. Chris Whitten did a *phenomenal* job playing those kits in a very tight, dry room. The result is very much a "Sea Change" vibe. He hit the drums in a much more real-world way, as opposed to the Nir Z 126-127 snare hits. (Don't get me wrong, Nir Z is a great drummer.) I've long waffled about picking up the Custom&Vintage SDX. Do you have Indiependent? There's some crossover, vibe-wise. Wondering if you've compared them much. The SDX's are on sale right now and I've been tempted to pick up C&V. Also, got a link to your record? Not just for the drums of course, I'd just like to hear it. |
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Post by theshea on Sept 14, 2018 2:46:23 GMT -6
i use xln addictive drums and it's dead easy changing the dynamics/smack for chorus/verse. i just lower the midi velocity of the hit in my daw. the snare hits have fantastic light to heavy smack touch, all simply changed by the velocity. don't think you will need much more trickery with sd ...
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Post by jeremygillespie on Sept 14, 2018 7:56:39 GMT -6
During the making of my last full-length album of original material, I was forced into using SD2 for most of the album. I was living on a desert island in the South Pacific at the time, and really had no other options. I learned a *lot* of tricks to get SD2 to sit right for me. I can go into them over the next couple days, Martin John Butler, but my first question is: what kit(s) are you using? Several of the expansion packs are *far* better at taming the transient attack, and require much less work to sit in the mix. One of my favorites is the "Custom & Vintage" pack. Chris Whitten did a *phenomenal* job playing those kits in a very tight, dry room. The result is very much a "Sea Change" vibe. He hit the drums in a much more real-world way, as opposed to the Nir Z 126-127 snare hits. (Don't get me wrong, Nir Z is a great drummer.) I tracked Nir about 8 years ago - and I have to say he sounds exactly like the superior package. It was almost impossible to get away from just because of how he tunes and hits. Great guy and great drummer. Doesn’t work for everything though. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 14, 2018 8:21:29 GMT -6
Great posts guys, thanks. Mark Williams, I'll PM you later today. A link to hear some tracks of your record would be cool.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 14, 2018 8:22:35 GMT -6
During the making of my last full-length album of original material, I was forced into using SD2 for most of the album. I was living on a desert island in the South Pacific at the time, and really had no other options. I learned a *lot* of tricks to get SD2 to sit right for me. I can go into them over the next couple days, Martin John Butler , but my first question is: what kit(s) are you using? Several of the expansion packs are *far* better at taming the transient attack, and require much less work to sit in the mix. One of my favorites is the "Custom & Vintage" pack. Chris Whitten did a *phenomenal* job playing those kits in a very tight, dry room. The result is very much a "Sea Change" vibe. He hit the drums in a much more real-world way, as opposed to the Nir Z 126-127 snare hits. (Don't get me wrong, Nir Z is a great drummer.) I tracked Nir about 8 years ago - and I have to say he sounds exactly like the superior package. It was almost impossible to get away from just because of how he tunes and hits. Great guy and great drummer. Doesn’t work for everything though. I wasn't familiar with NirZ, so I just dialed up a couple tracks from the first Meyer album, then checked out this video. He's definitely got a style/sound. Really lays into the snare and hats. Hits hard and consistent. He actually sounds programmed. I bet you could play back the audio from the Sabian video and people wouldn't believe it's a real drummer. |
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Post by jeremygillespie on Sept 14, 2018 8:30:15 GMT -6
I tracked Nir about 8 years ago - and I have to say he sounds exactly like the superior package. It was almost impossible to get away from just because of how he tunes and hits. Great guy and great drummer. Doesn’t work for everything though. I wasn't familiar with NirZ, so I just dialed up a couple tracks from the first Meyer album, then checked out this video. He's definitely got a style/sound. Really lays into the snare and hats. Hits hard and consistent. He actually sounds programmed. I bet you could play back the audio from the Sabian video and people wouldn't believe it's a real drummer. I hadn’t heard of him at the time either - he came in with a brand new GMS kit (also never knew of those drums either) and the way he set them up with eh way he tilts the drums I thought we were doing jazz. Then he started hitting and it shocked the hell outa me haha. Super consistent hitter. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 14, 2018 8:50:44 GMT -6
The cymbals in that video sound fantastic too. Any Sabian guys able to tell what that ride is? Sounds great as a crash too.
NVM...
....and apparently this cymbal doesn't even exist. No listing anywhere on the web. Haha
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