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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2018 9:58:49 GMT -6
For anyone in Europe, DV247 and a couple others are selling the KT-1176 for £170.00 and the KT-2A for £270.00..
That's not undercut your competition prices, that's slap them in the face prices.. I'm going to pick a pair just for giggles me thinks.!
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 9, 2018 12:13:56 GMT -6
Its killing the competiton prices. And thats the reason why I wont buy it. It will kill warm audio etc.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2018 12:52:59 GMT -6
I don't think it'll make much difference to near enough no compromise or upper end clone creators like Stam, IGS, Pro Replica's, Audioscape or even UA themselves.. If you're in the market for "best sounding" or next to no difference then I doubt many would go KT..
Only reason I'm interested is for live / location and backup duties, I'd much rather swallow £170.00 than a £1000.00 when people use them as coasters / or walk off with them..
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Post by lcr on Sept 9, 2018 14:08:14 GMT -6
Its killing the competiton prices. And thats the reason why I wont buy it. It will kill warm audio etc. Do you shop at Wal Mart? Target? Etc.?
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Post by ragan on Sept 9, 2018 14:19:24 GMT -6
Its killing the competiton prices. And thats the reason why I wont buy it. It will kill warm audio etc. Do you shop at Wal Mart? Target? Etc.? Or the modern equivalent, Amazon.
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 9, 2018 15:19:57 GMT -6
It’s a dilemma, in the sense we all want to stretch our gear dollar but which company do you want to support and why, can also be part of the decision ?
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Post by hadaja on Sept 9, 2018 17:12:40 GMT -6
Okay shadowamd i jumped on the wagon and secured one kt-2a . HaVe to wait a month until it arrives but lets see how it goes. Waiting a month is going to way less painful then another product i am waiting for.
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Post by ulriggribbons on Sept 9, 2018 17:48:00 GMT -6
Its killing the competiton prices. And thats the reason why I wont buy it. It will kill warm audio etc. But you are OK with Warm killing other companies prices? It's a race to the bottom, but Warm is certainly part of it. This is not a criticism, more an observation...
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Post by lcr on Sept 9, 2018 18:20:55 GMT -6
Its killing the competiton prices. And thats the reason why I wont buy it. It will kill warm audio etc. But you are OK with Warm killing other companies prices? It's a race to the bottom, but Warm is certainly part of it. This is not a criticism, more an observation... Nailed it.
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Post by M57 on Sept 9, 2018 18:36:00 GMT -6
I have no problems with businesses that can build and offer better and better decent quality products at increasing lower prices - but I detest the use of unsavory business practices to achieve those goals.
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Post by lcr on Sept 10, 2018 5:18:54 GMT -6
Do you use Apple products? Wear Nikes? Own a car?
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Post by Ward on Sept 10, 2018 7:11:08 GMT -6
Do you use Apple products? Wear Nikes? Own a car? That's kind of impertinent (cheeky) like crossing a line.
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Post by iamasound on Sept 11, 2018 1:49:15 GMT -6
Do you use Apple products? Wear Nikes? Own a car? Acually, no, no and will only buy previously owned. It's the little things that add up to a bigger thing. Am I perfect? No, but I try to pick my battles thoughyfully. A few years ago a friend and I were hanging out with someone we didn't know hardly at all and said that he was going to a certain fast food restaurant to buy what he thought was humorously put, a "rain forest burger" Well, we rained hell down upon him. I don't think that he ate there again.
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Post by wiz on Sept 11, 2018 2:07:54 GMT -6
Do you use Apple products? Wear Nikes? Own a car? Acually, no, no and will only buy previously owned. It's the little things that add up to a bigger thing. Am I perfect? No, but I try to pick my battles thoughyfully. A few years ago a friend and I were hanging out with someone we didn't know hardly at all and said that he was going to a certain fast food restaurant to buy what he thought was humorously put, a "rain forest burger" Well, we rained hell down upon him. I don't think that he ate there again. “Jewel in the crown of the Burger King “ Cheers Wiz
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Post by ericn on Sept 11, 2018 9:56:56 GMT -6
Its killing the competiton prices. And thats the reason why I wont buy it. It will kill warm audio etc. No it will drive companies like Warm to build the best they can and support their clients and gear. Behringer/ KT won’t drive the low price / high value market, they will follow because they need to see there is a market for a piece before they can justify the investment to build in the numbers they need they need to hit the price they can hit. The other Value priced clone makers may re-evaluate the use of some brand name components and put more into things like pots and switches. That’s something I hate to admit I admire about ULi and Co, they have done a fairly good job of delivering low price gear that has had few mechanical problems.
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Post by adamjbrass on Sept 11, 2018 13:29:29 GMT -6
KT-2A impressed me. I want one. Real Nice box for the cash.
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Post by ericn on Sept 11, 2018 14:39:04 GMT -6
KT-2A impressed me. I want one. Real Nice box for the cash. Don’t say that, it’s going to make me grab one.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 11, 2018 15:14:13 GMT -6
How does the KT-2A sound compared to the Stam and Warm units?
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Post by adamjbrass on Sept 11, 2018 15:52:26 GMT -6
How does the KT-2A sound compared to the Stam and Warm units? I have only compared the Warm WA2A to the KT-2A, not the Stam. Don't ever plan to test out the Stam. I have no interest in this company.
With my side-by-side comparison of the WA2A and the KT2A, I found the KT2A has more "cream" to it. AKA, warmth and tone, and the compression return time is way nicer. and more like the OG sound of the LA2A. The Pre Emphasis actually does what it says it does on the KT, but on the warm its barely audible and sounds top endy and modern on any position. The KT is gooey and sweet with what appears to be +18 headroom. The Warm sounds like...too clean and lacks the tone. It sounds similar, but leaves me wanting more tone. The leveling points are way different too. the Warm sounds smaller with -10, -15db of reduction and is way too fast on the return for my taste. The Compression is more distorted on the WA2A than on the KT2A, which is quite musical and smooth up to 20db reduction. I dislike the sound of the warm past -10 db of reduction, whereas I can hammer it a bit more on the KT2A and it still sounds nice.
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Post by the other mark williams on Sept 11, 2018 15:57:30 GMT -6
How does the KT-2A sound compared to the Stam and Warm units? I have only compared to the Warm WA2A to the KT-2A, not the Stam. Don't ever plan to test out the Stam. I have no interest in this company.
With my side-by-side comparison of the WA2A and the KT2A, I found the KT2A has more "cream" to it. AKA, warmth and tone, and the compression return time is way nicer. and more like the OG sound of the LA2A. The Pre Emphasis actually does what it says it does on the KT, but on the warm its barely audible and sounds top endy and modern on any position. The KT is gooey and sweet with what appears to be +18 headroom. The Warm sounds like...too clean and lacks the tone. It sounds similar, but leaves me wanting more tone. The leveling points are way different too. the Warm sounds smaller with -10, -15db of reduction and is way too fast on the return for my taste. The Compression is more distorted on the WA2A than on the KT2A, which is quite musical and smooth up to 20db reduction. I dislike the sound of the warm past -10 db of reduction, whereas I can hammer it a bit more on the KT2A and it still sounds nice. Wow, that's a pretty big vote of support. Thanks for the review, Adam.
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Post by drbill on Sept 11, 2018 18:25:48 GMT -6
Pretty much what I've been hearing on the streets as well. Albeit different than a vintage 2a, a leading modern contender that knocks out the warm and some others. Wild.....
And available for shipping today!!! LOL What a concept.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 18:39:09 GMT -6
I still would be interested in how it sounds vs. the Stam.. They ran out of stock before I could place an order though ha.!
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Post by iamasound on Sept 12, 2018 2:18:22 GMT -6
I mean, it's not even fair. An outfit called Gear4 Music and which is listed on the London Stock Exchange is offering to me here in Switzerland on their Swiss affiliate website (with a .ch suffix), the Klark 1176-KT Fet for the absurdly low price of CHF 207 WITH a six day wait before free delivery. My local store has it in stock for CHF 629. That's 3x less! How can anybody compete with something like this? It reminds me of when I lived in Topanga and went down to the Trader Joe's in The Valley and would buy what we all called "2 Buck Chuck", a really good red wine that was waaay less than anything else. Turns out that company (my memory is a little foggy and the details might be a bit iffy) was selling at almost cost, buying vinyards going out of biz when they couldn't compete, or some thing like that. When I was told of the practice by the a wine salesman we stopped buying it.
It sure is tempting to plunk down 207 bucks for another 1176 type to put in the rack with my WA76. I would hate myself in the morning though. Their KT-2A is CHF 310 but will be available for delivery the 1st week of November. Belzabub has a devil put aside for me, for me, for MEEEEEEE!
Edit: Their EQP -KT is also CHF 206
Edit #2: The 1176-KT will be delivered in April 2019 in about 7 months from now, shades of Stam.
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Post by ericn on Sept 12, 2018 8:57:15 GMT -6
Getting product from Behringer has always been a problem, they have way to many SKU’s and their reliance on just in time inventory and long term production schedules have been a major headache when it comes to indemand products.
Trader Joe’s is part of one of the ALDI’s. My understanding is they don’t own any vineyards they simply use their huge buying power to buy cheap, but they have always been sticklers for quality for their money.
A big dealer with big dollars has always been able to place a huge order and bring down the price. This is what gave us Sear’s, Walmart, Target and Amazon.
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Post by ragan on Sept 12, 2018 9:07:56 GMT -6
Charlies Shaw (“2 Buck Chuck”) is fine. It’s $2.99 now and if you head down the aisle a little bit you can get Chilean and Spanish wines that smoke it for not much more.
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