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Post by spindrift on Aug 11, 2018 15:47:20 GMT -6
I just busted my 10 year old AT ATH-M50s while tracking some acoustic guitar. It got wrapped around my swivel chair.
Cords and acoustic guitar tracking drive me crazy and cause me to swear colorfully and often!
Has anyone devised a solution for wireless HiFi headphones for tracking? It seems any search for wireless headphones turns up a consumer to prosumer options which ultimately end in unacceptably high latency for tracking (50ms or so). Do I have to go with a professional in-ear monitoring setup and devise some sort of short corded headphones which I can wear whilst wearing a receiver?
Does anyone else have any ideas? I can't believe this isn't a much more in demand product in the studio.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 11, 2018 16:13:13 GMT -6
Damn. Let’s erase this and make some
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Post by spindrift on Aug 11, 2018 16:26:07 GMT -6
Something tells me it’s not slam-dunk easy.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Aug 11, 2018 16:39:48 GMT -6
Wireless with ability to control your own cue mix with your phone. I’ll take 10% thanks!
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Post by WKG on Aug 11, 2018 21:03:40 GMT -6
Sometimes I'll use my Mipro IEM transmitter from my live rig and V-Control on my iPad.
Works nice plus as I am a klutz and prone to tripping over cords I can use the help...
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Post by M57 on Aug 12, 2018 5:55:22 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure this has been discussed on this site before. Where Wi-fi or bluetooth is concerned, fidelity, reliability and latency all seem to be insurmountable issues, leaving the standard wireless option, which means receivers, transmitters etc.. right? I never hear of studios using these, which makes me think that fidelity is an issue even here.
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 12, 2018 11:00:03 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure this has been discussed on this site before. Where Wi-fi or bluetooth is concerned, fidelity, reliability and latency all seem to be insurmountable issues, leaving the standard wireless option, which means receivers, transmitters etc.. right? I never hear of studios using these, which makes me think that fidelity is an issue even here. That, and the fact that you really don't want gratuitous radio sources floating around your studio. |
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Post by ericn on Aug 12, 2018 11:06:11 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure this has been discussed on this site before. Where Wi-fi or bluetooth is concerned, fidelity, reliability and latency all seem to be insurmountable issues, leaving the standard wireless option, which means receivers, transmitters etc.. right? I never hear of studios using these, which makes me think that fidelity is an issue even here. That, and the fact that you really don't want gratuitous radio sources floating around your studio. Add in that RF means companding, it’s something most of gotten used to with IEM’s but I really don’t want anybody I’m tracking having to deal with the slight dynamic changes of a compression- expansion system. To this day I still say the $10K wireless systems they use on Broadway are at their absolute best a shitty substute for a crappy $10 cable! |
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Post by WKG on Aug 12, 2018 12:46:02 GMT -6
I'll use it for myself occasionally as a matter of convenience, never for others. Also new digital unit has no companding and latency is not an issue.
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Post by Blackdawg on Aug 12, 2018 13:18:00 GMT -6
Problem is data stream and range. Really WiFi is the only thing that can support the data streams. But there will be a delay. So not idea for any of that.
With Dante it could be more simple. I know already with an artist they can DL the QueMix app on their phone, join the wifi you're on for your console and they can do their own headphone mix that way or monitor mix. Super handy.
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Post by bowie on Aug 13, 2018 15:43:05 GMT -6
Just a thought, gamers have low-latency wireless headphones and some of them reportedly have decent sound. Look into the higher end "Astro" brand headsets. I've never used them so I can't attest to anything about them but I've spoken with people who have spent $300+ dollars on them to use for competitive gaming where low latency is critical. My friend walks around the house with hers on so it should be ok for the range of a studio. With the limited options out there, it may be worth looking into. Not sure if any of them would look acceptable though...
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Post by christopher on Aug 25, 2018 0:55:41 GMT -6
I was at a project studio last year that used Sennheiser wireless over ear cans. It belongs to a major label artist, their rehearsal record space. So it can be done and is pretty cool. They can rehearse with protools while wearing them. When tracking and overdubbing I can't be 100% sure the engineer chose wireless, I just wasn't paying close attention, but the rest of use wore them in the control room, I forgot to even think about latency, seemed a non issue and real time.
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Post by stormymondays on Feb 20, 2019 13:45:31 GMT -6
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Post by soundintheround on Feb 20, 2019 16:21:07 GMT -6
Duct tape professional in-ear monitor rig to the top of your Audio Technica headphones? Boom done.
Yeh I would think professional + RF (for transmission) + Digital (for encoding) just don’t mix in general.
I actually did a college internship at AVIOM going a while back....Never heard them talking about wireless, but of course they are digital and do a pretty good job of that part. They wrote their own protocol with FPGA and don’t rely on anyone else’s chips/software tho.
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Post by soundintheround on Feb 20, 2019 16:33:46 GMT -6
Interesting video, but I think the OP was asking about wireless vs wired headphones.... not noise cancelling. I’m actually the opposite. A lot of times I take 1 ear off the headphones to hear myself a little more.....reverse noise cancelling. Lol |
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Post by soundintheround on Feb 20, 2019 16:45:32 GMT -6
Might be pretty poor quality and have no idea if would interfere with your mics/gear, but you could try this combo?...... Signstek 0.5 W 05B Dual Mode Long Range Stereo Broadcast Home FM Transmitter with Antenna and Free Audio Cable Fashion Black www.amazon.com/dp/B00CM2VPMQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_cDDBCb0EMB5DCSony SRFH4 Analog Tuning AM / FM Headphone Radio (Discontinued by Manufacturer) www.amazon.com/dp/B0001M3N7O/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_kGDBCbBTPKQJFNo idea why the Sony is so expensive ha. But I’m sure eBay has something similar and ‘vintage’ and under $25. I used to use a FM transmitter for my house before SONOS and worked fairly well. Just gotta make sure both are analog...no digital crap in them for latency. |
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Post by stormymondays on Feb 20, 2019 16:49:15 GMT -6
Yep I think I dug up the wrong thread. Wasn’t there a thread about noise cancelling headphones recently?
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Post by swurveman on Feb 20, 2019 16:53:27 GMT -6
Donr suggested the M2 Duet System with Bose QC35 series2 phones in my small control room thread. Only problem is that it's $6K |
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Post by donr on Feb 20, 2019 21:43:25 GMT -6
Donr suggested the M2 Duet System with Bose QC35 series2 phones in my small control room thread. Only problem is that it's $6K I did. And the Bose 'phones are only for noise reduction, not audio. Worn over your in-ear monitor of choice. But that was for AE monitoring. For talent monitoring, the Sennheiser or new Shure systems would be fine for the purpose. But they're not really cheap either. It might only be practical if the the talent WAS the audio engineer and had to move all over the studio and/or control room continually without tangling cables. I'd thought of using my old Sennheiser system as headphones in the studio, but the headphone cable really isn't an issue for a guy doing mostly vocals and guitars in a small room. |
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Post by ericn on Feb 20, 2019 22:31:29 GMT -6
Donr suggested the M2 Duet System with Bose QC35 series2 phones in my small control room thread. Only problem is that it's $6K I did. And the Bose 'phones are only for noise reduction, not audio. Worn over your in-ear monitor of choice. But that was for AE monitoring. For talent monitoring, the Sennheiser or new Shure systems would be fine for the purpose. But they're not really cheap either. It might only be practical if the the talent WAS the audio engineer and had to move all over the studio and/or control room continually without tangling cables. I'd thought of using my old Sennheiser system as headphones in the studio, but the headphone cable really isn't an issue for a guy doing mostly vocals and guitars in a small room. I’ll stick to a very long cable my friend! |
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Post by iamasound on Feb 21, 2019 1:22:15 GMT -6
The Audio-Technica ATH-M50xBT is $200. I haven't used them though who hasn't it's wired elder sibling for tracking at one time or another. In the control room they might be ok though not for tracking as there will be added milliseconds to the latent arrival of the signal.
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Post by lpedrum on Feb 21, 2019 12:53:19 GMT -6
Interesting video, but I think the OP was asking about wireless vs wired headphones.... not noise cancelling. I’m actually the opposite. A lot of times I take 1 ear off the headphones to hear myself a little more.....reverse noise cancelling. Lol Still, I found the Hofa video interesting. I think what they were getting at is if you're a vocalist or instrumentalist tracking at the same time and in the same room with amps or drums you can bring down the level of the other room sounds around you in your phones, therefore enabling a lower volume level in the phones--that's the take I was getting. They did mention too that you have to do it wired because using bluetooth created too much latency. |
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Post by soundintheround on Feb 21, 2019 13:10:58 GMT -6
Oh gotcha. I didn’t pick that up. Yeh overall great video and thanks for sharing.
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