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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 16, 2018 8:42:02 GMT -6
What’s the old saying? Trust but verify.
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Post by c0rtland on Sept 5, 2018 9:00:01 GMT -6
So I bought an '08 Tlm 67. My intention was to use the capsule in my m269c. However, the headstock is not directly replaceable between the Tlm 67 and the m269. It is however directly replaceable with the u67 reissue.
The og cap from the u67 sounds awesome. But, I found the Tlm capsule sounds even better. Smoother. (Confirmation bias?)
The difference between the u67 mic and the Tlm 67 regardless of capsule is the Tlm sounds flat 2D and the u67 sounds 3D with depth and openness. Not subtle.
So now I'm looking for another '08 Tlm for the m269. I've sent it to shannon two times and it's just not cutting it. First it was pinched and nasally, now it is just nasally and light on the bass. Kinda bummed about that, but the '08 cap sounds so good it may be worth it to just go that route.
I'm about to have two Tlm 67 bodies up for sale if anyone wants 'em... or maybe I'll just swap out the m269 cap with the reissue 67 cap. Decisions decisions
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Post by jakeharris on Sept 11, 2018 21:36:38 GMT -6
If it made any difference, they would have spent the €1/pc on the shorter rubber capsule post. Anyone who really wants the smaller post, you can buy them in single pieces for €3.
The fatalistic narrative would also be valid if these mics were sold on a lottery basis. But until then, if you don't like what you hear, or believe you have a 'poor' capsule, just send it back and get another. Keep doing this until you get exactly the performance you want. You never have to settle for a 'poor' capsule; if you can afford this mic to begin with, you can afford a few shipping fees to get it right.
No need to question what you hear either, just because KH says it's something or another. Trust your own ears.
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Post by Omicron9 on Sept 12, 2018 4:18:18 GMT -6
<snip>... No need to question what you hear either, just because KH says it's something or another. Trust your own ears. ^ This.
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Post by Omicron9 on Sept 12, 2018 4:22:19 GMT -6
Let's think about this for a just a moment. Someone that makes their living from modding Neumann mics proclaims in public that the new Neumann 67 isn't perfect and needs... modifications. Possible conflict of interest, anyone?
Just a thought.
-09
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Post by EmRR on Sept 12, 2018 6:28:25 GMT -6
Let's think about this for a just a moment. Someone that makes their living from modding Neumann mics proclaims in public that the new Neumann 67 isn't perfect and needs... modifications. Possible conflict of interest, anyone? Just a thought. -09 Nah, that's already and easily shot down.
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Post by indiehouse on Sept 12, 2018 7:49:46 GMT -6
So I bought an '08 Tlm 67. My intention was to use the capsule in my m269c. However, the headstock is not directly replaceable between the Tlm 67 and the m269. It is however directly replaceable with the u67 reissue. The og cap from the u67 sounds awesome. But, I found the Tlm capsule sounds even better. Smoother. (Confirmation bias?) The difference between the u67 mic and the Tlm 67 regardless of capsule is the Tlm sounds flat 2D and the u67 sounds 3D with depth and openness. Not subtle. So now I'm looking for another '08 Tlm for the m269. I've sent it to shannon two times and it's just not cutting it. First it was pinched and nasally, now it is just nasally and light on the bass. Kinda bummed about that, but the '08 cap sounds so good it may be worth it to just go that route. I'm about to have two Tlm 67 bodies up for sale if anyone wants 'em... or maybe I'll just swap out the m269 cap with the reissue 67 cap. Decisions decisions How can I date my TLM67?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 12, 2018 7:57:00 GMT -6
I'm curious if they were they made any differently 10 years ago?
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Post by c0rtland on Sept 12, 2018 8:12:36 GMT -6
So I bought an '08 Tlm 67. My intention was to use the capsule in my m269c. However, the headstock is not directly replaceable between the Tlm 67 and the m269. It is however directly replaceable with the u67 reissue. The og cap from the u67 sounds awesome. But, I found the Tlm capsule sounds even better. Smoother. (Confirmation bias?) The difference between the u67 mic and the Tlm 67 regardless of capsule is the Tlm sounds flat 2D and the u67 sounds 3D with depth and openness. Not subtle. So now I'm looking for another '08 Tlm for the m269. I've sent it to shannon two times and it's just not cutting it. First it was pinched and nasally, now it is just nasally and light on the bass. Kinda bummed about that, but the '08 cap sounds so good it may be worth it to just go that route. I'm about to have two Tlm 67 bodies up for sale if anyone wants 'em... or maybe I'll just swap out the m269 cap with the reissue 67 cap. Decisions decisions How can I date my TLM67? Get Serial number send to Neumann.
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Post by indiehouse on Sept 18, 2018 9:46:17 GMT -6
Get Serial number send to Neumann. Turns out mine is a 2014. What range serial would put it at an’08, roughly?
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Post by ericn on Sept 18, 2018 10:15:11 GMT -6
Get Serial number send to Neumann. Turns out mine is a 2014. What range serial would put it at an’08, roughly? Is the TLM 67 even that old? Time flies.
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Post by c0rtland on Sept 18, 2018 11:12:40 GMT -6
Get Serial number send to Neumann. Turns out mine is a 2014. What range serial would put it at an’08, roughly? my guess is 1-700. I'm certain it goes to 550.
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 18, 2018 11:51:05 GMT -6
I know the man is highly respected but I’m all for blind tests and hard science. I’d eat my mic collection if he can prove all those opinions about the cable etc with blind testing. In my experience blind tests are mostly useful for "disproving" things that are obvious under any circumstances EXCEPT blind tests.
The methodology of even a well conceived and executed blind test (and most aren't) psychologically biases the test in the direction of doubt and confusion
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 18, 2018 12:06:06 GMT -6
It's extremely common in the higher realms of education. Doctors are especially bad at being completely egotistical and self-centered through years of filtering through the system, due to the A+ type personality it takes to persevere through the hardships of medical school and internships, and they ARE experts in a field.. yet they are also generally resistant of any opinion that might cause them to question their education and/or beliefs.. Just try telling a doctor that you were looking online and you had questions about your symptoms.. First thing you'll likely get from the doctor is a BIG SIGH, and even maybe an eye roll, before they might lightly insinuate that *they* are the doctor and know best.. At worst, they might even dismiss your symptoms altogether and give you a spiel about how their years in medical school trump a few minutes of online research.. Yet, multiple studies have shown that if you take internet information, aggregate symptoms and average out the answers to a bell curve, the most prevalent answer for your disease is likely to be more correct than any single doctor.. And then there's the classic joke.. What do you call someone who graduates from medical school with a D average? Doctor! But that's no reason to not trust your doctor either. You have to be educated on your own, but have your fears put in check by the doctor. You're also putting the doctor's ego in check with your online research too. After all, you're the one living in your body, so only you can know what's really going on. The doctor/patient relationship should be symbiotic, not adversarial. For me, it's important because it might have saved my life at one point. I had an issue, and went to the doctor. I got a completely apathetic workup and diagnosis. I took pills that made me sicker, but did not fix the issue. I went back to the doctor to only be met with admonishment for supposedly not taking my pills correctly. The doctor was so sure of himself that he did not entertain the idea that he might have been wrong. The blood tests were unspecific, etc. He put me on more pills. I got sicker. I decided to go to another doctor, which did not even do the tests the first doctor did and essentially told me that he saw nothing wrong and sent me home with a different prescription. I would get better, then worse, then better and worse over the course of a few months and finally started looking online for my symptoms. Of course the symptoms ran the gamut of psychology to cancer, but I kept on it and found something I thought was similar enough. I went to yet another doctor, who started to dismiss me once again, but I damn near cussed him out and he finally huffed and allowed me to speak my mind.. He perked up and actually said I might have been right, put me on some different pills for a few weeks and I was 100% cured. I had to force them to listen, and when they did, it worked out for both of us. Same goes for just about any role in the world where experience and knowledge meet the opposite. You have to break through that crust of egotism, but once you do, the information, education, experience you find in an expert is pure gold. Doctors are the worst about stuff like that. I have an appointment with one in a couple hours in which I'm going to have to tell her that I've been doing tests that indicate that her prescriptions that interfere with everything from my ability to sleep at night to my ability to play guitar and that I'm not taking them anymore. Not looking forward to it.
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Post by svart on Sept 18, 2018 12:09:56 GMT -6
It's extremely common in the higher realms of education. Doctors are especially bad at being completely egotistical and self-centered through years of filtering through the system, due to the A+ type personality it takes to persevere through the hardships of medical school and internships, and they ARE experts in a field.. yet they are also generally resistant of any opinion that might cause them to question their education and/or beliefs.. Just try telling a doctor that you were looking online and you had questions about your symptoms.. First thing you'll likely get from the doctor is a BIG SIGH, and even maybe an eye roll, before they might lightly insinuate that *they* are the doctor and know best.. At worst, they might even dismiss your symptoms altogether and give you a spiel about how their years in medical school trump a few minutes of online research.. Yet, multiple studies have shown that if you take internet information, aggregate symptoms and average out the answers to a bell curve, the most prevalent answer for your disease is likely to be more correct than any single doctor.. And then there's the classic joke.. What do you call someone who graduates from medical school with a D average? Doctor! But that's no reason to not trust your doctor either. You have to be educated on your own, but have your fears put in check by the doctor. You're also putting the doctor's ego in check with your online research too. After all, you're the one living in your body, so only you can know what's really going on. The doctor/patient relationship should be symbiotic, not adversarial. For me, it's important because it might have saved my life at one point. I had an issue, and went to the doctor. I got a completely apathetic workup and diagnosis. I took pills that made me sicker, but did not fix the issue. I went back to the doctor to only be met with admonishment for supposedly not taking my pills correctly. The doctor was so sure of himself that he did not entertain the idea that he might have been wrong. The blood tests were unspecific, etc. He put me on more pills. I got sicker. I decided to go to another doctor, which did not even do the tests the first doctor did and essentially told me that he saw nothing wrong and sent me home with a different prescription. I would get better, then worse, then better and worse over the course of a few months and finally started looking online for my symptoms. Of course the symptoms ran the gamut of psychology to cancer, but I kept on it and found something I thought was similar enough. I went to yet another doctor, who started to dismiss me once again, but I damn near cussed him out and he finally huffed and allowed me to speak my mind.. He perked up and actually said I might have been right, put me on some different pills for a few weeks and I was 100% cured. I had to force them to listen, and when they did, it worked out for both of us. Same goes for just about any role in the world where experience and knowledge meet the opposite. You have to break through that crust of egotism, but once you do, the information, education, experience you find in an expert is pure gold. Doctors are the worst about stuff like that. I have an appointment with one in a couple hours in which I'm going to have to tell her that I've been doing tests that indicate that her prescriptions that interfere with everything from my ability to sleep at night to my ability to play guitar and that I'm not taking them anymore. Not looking forward to it. I read an interesting study that found that the average time from the patient starting to explain their symptoms to the first time the doctor interrupts them is around 15 seconds. After this, the doctor generally controls the discussion and the patient never finishes their descriptions of the symptoms.
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 18, 2018 12:10:16 GMT -6
Let's think about this for a just a moment. Someone that makes their living from modding Neumann mics proclaims in public that the new Neumann 67 isn't perfect and needs... modifications. Possible conflict of interest, anyone? Just a thought. -09 No. He already has more work than he can handle. He already turns customers away - from his wait list. He has absolutely no motive for doing cheap stunts to attract more.
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 18, 2018 12:20:32 GMT -6
Doctors are the worst about stuff like that. I have an appointment with one in a couple hours in which I'm going to have to tell her that I've been doing tests that indicate that her prescriptions that interfere with everything from my ability to sleep at night to my ability to play guitar and that I'm not taking them anymore. Not looking forward to it. I read an interesting study that found that the average time from the patient starting to explain their symptoms to the first time the doctor interrupts them is around 15 seconds. After this, the doctor generally controls the discussion and the patient never finishes their descriptions of the symptoms. Sounds about right - the thing is, my Dad's side of the family is filled with scientists (including two accomplished research biochemists), doctors, college professors, and "educators" of various stripes. I grew up as a "university brat". My childhood friends' dads were profs and university department heads.
I've been dealing with that particular brand of egotistical "expert" all my life.
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Post by indiehouse on Sept 18, 2018 12:56:55 GMT -6
Turns out mine is a 2014. What range serial would put it at an’08, roughly? Is the TLM 67 even that old? Time flies. TLM67 first introduced Summer NAMM 2008.
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Post by jakeharris on Sept 18, 2018 14:39:34 GMT -6
No. He already has more work than he can handle. He already turns customers away - from his wait list. He has absolutely no motive for doing cheap stunts to attract more. Guy who mods mics, says mic needs mods. Seems pretty basic.
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Post by svart on Sept 18, 2018 15:01:00 GMT -6
No. He already has more work than he can handle. He already turns customers away - from his wait list. He has absolutely no motive for doing cheap stunts to attract more. Guy who mods mics, says mic needs mods. Seems pretty basic. As the cliche goes, when you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
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Post by Mister Chase on Sept 18, 2018 16:02:15 GMT -6
Friggin great post, Chris. I feel the same way. There’s no contradiction in someone being both extremely experienced and knowledgeable and also being wrong in some of their pet dogmas. Actually a pretty common combo in my experience. It's extremely common in the higher realms of education. Doctors are especially bad at being completely egotistical and self-centered through years of filtering through the system, due to the A+ type personality it takes to persevere through the hardships of medical school and internships, and they ARE experts in a field.. yet they are also generally resistant of any opinion that might cause them to question their education and/or beliefs.. Just try telling a doctor that you were looking online and you had questions about your symptoms.. First thing you'll likely get from the doctor is a BIG SIGH, and even maybe an eye roll, before they might lightly insinuate that *they* are the doctor and know best.. At worst, they might even dismiss your symptoms altogether and give you a spiel about how their years in medical school trump a few minutes of online research.. Yet, multiple studies have shown that if you take internet information, aggregate symptoms and average out the answers to a bell curve, the most prevalent answer for your disease is likely to be more correct than any single doctor.. And then there's the classic joke.. What do you call someone who graduates from medical school with a D average? Doctor! But that's no reason to not trust your doctor either. You have to be educated on your own, but have your fears put in check by the doctor. You're also putting the doctor's ego in check with your online research too. After all, you're the one living in your body, so only you can know what's really going on. The doctor/patient relationship should be symbiotic, not adversarial. For me, it's important because it might have saved my life at one point. I had an issue, and went to the doctor. I got a completely apathetic workup and diagnosis. I took pills that made me sicker, but did not fix the issue. I went back to the doctor to only be met with admonishment for supposedly not taking my pills correctly. The doctor was so sure of himself that he did not entertain the idea that he might have been wrong. The blood tests were unspecific, etc. He put me on more pills. I got sicker. I decided to go to another doctor, which did not even do the tests the first doctor did and essentially told me that he saw nothing wrong and sent me home with a different prescription. I would get better, then worse, then better and worse over the course of a few months and finally started looking online for my symptoms. Of course the symptoms ran the gamut of psychology to cancer, but I kept on it and found something I thought was similar enough. I went to yet another doctor, who started to dismiss me once again, but I damn near cussed him out and he finally huffed and allowed me to speak my mind.. He perked up and actually said I might have been right, put me on some different pills for a few weeks and I was 100% cured. I had to force them to listen, and when they did, it worked out for both of us. Same goes for just about any role in the world where experience and knowledge meet the opposite. You have to break through that crust of egotism, but once you do, the information, education, experience you find in an expert is pure gold. All so true. I've been in and out with docs and mysteries all my adult life. You really start to get a picture like you mention here. As a kid, it was different in my mind. It was "trust the doctor, they know everything and will fix you".
I have a very different view after various surgeries and years trying out pills. The moment my mind totally changed was when I was riding in the back of an ambulance totally confused overdosing on Fentanyl when I was 19. Prescribed for home use. Just prior to the paramedics arriving I was losing consciousness and when I would come back I was making awful snorting noises/agonal breathing etc. I came to strongly enough out of fear to rip off the Fentanyl patch (3 days worth of meds going through the mesh too quickly, lot's of folks died) and ask for help. Heart rhythm seemed very odd as well.
I advocate for myself, because no doctor cares as much about my well being as I do. We can lock horns, that's fine. At the end of the day, if it's not working out, they can kiss my grits.
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Post by Mister Chase on Sept 18, 2018 16:04:10 GMT -6
Doctors are the worst about stuff like that. I have an appointment with one in a couple hours in which I'm going to have to tell her that I've been doing tests that indicate that her prescriptions that interfere with everything from my ability to sleep at night to my ability to play guitar and that I'm not taking them anymore. Not looking forward to it. I read an interesting study that found that the average time from the patient starting to explain their symptoms to the first time the doctor interrupts them is around 15 seconds. After this, the doctor generally controls the discussion and the patient never finishes their descriptions of the symptoms. Yes. It's so common that when I go to a doctor that just sits there and listens intently for me to speak, I almost don't know what to say.
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Post by Mister Chase on Sept 18, 2018 16:04:56 GMT -6
It's extremely common in the higher realms of education. Doctors are especially bad at being completely egotistical and self-centered through years of filtering through the system, due to the A+ type personality it takes to persevere through the hardships of medical school and internships, and they ARE experts in a field.. yet they are also generally resistant of any opinion that might cause them to question their education and/or beliefs.. Just try telling a doctor that you were looking online and you had questions about your symptoms.. First thing you'll likely get from the doctor is a BIG SIGH, and even maybe an eye roll, before they might lightly insinuate that *they* are the doctor and know best.. At worst, they might even dismiss your symptoms altogether and give you a spiel about how their years in medical school trump a few minutes of online research.. Yet, multiple studies have shown that if you take internet information, aggregate symptoms and average out the answers to a bell curve, the most prevalent answer for your disease is likely to be more correct than any single doctor.. And then there's the classic joke.. What do you call someone who graduates from medical school with a D average? Doctor! But that's no reason to not trust your doctor either. You have to be educated on your own, but have your fears put in check by the doctor. You're also putting the doctor's ego in check with your online research too. After all, you're the one living in your body, so only you can know what's really going on. The doctor/patient relationship should be symbiotic, not adversarial. For me, it's important because it might have saved my life at one point. I had an issue, and went to the doctor. I got a completely apathetic workup and diagnosis. I took pills that made me sicker, but did not fix the issue. I went back to the doctor to only be met with admonishment for supposedly not taking my pills correctly. The doctor was so sure of himself that he did not entertain the idea that he might have been wrong. The blood tests were unspecific, etc. He put me on more pills. I got sicker. I decided to go to another doctor, which did not even do the tests the first doctor did and essentially told me that he saw nothing wrong and sent me home with a different prescription. I would get better, then worse, then better and worse over the course of a few months and finally started looking online for my symptoms. Of course the symptoms ran the gamut of psychology to cancer, but I kept on it and found something I thought was similar enough. I went to yet another doctor, who started to dismiss me once again, but I damn near cussed him out and he finally huffed and allowed me to speak my mind.. He perked up and actually said I might have been right, put me on some different pills for a few weeks and I was 100% cured. I had to force them to listen, and when they did, it worked out for both of us. Same goes for just about any role in the world where experience and knowledge meet the opposite. You have to break through that crust of egotism, but once you do, the information, education, experience you find in an expert is pure gold. Doctors are the worst about stuff like that. I have an appointment with one in a couple hours in which I'm going to have to tell her that I've been doing tests that indicate that her prescriptions that interfere with everything from my ability to sleep at night to my ability to play guitar and that I'm not taking them anymore. Not looking forward to it. Sorry to hear that, dude. I've been hanging up guitar a lot myself for some years now and it breaks my heart. Hope you get some help.
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 18, 2018 17:04:31 GMT -6
No. He already has more work than he can handle. He already turns customers away - from his wait list. He has absolutely no motive for doing cheap stunts to attract more. Guy who mods mics, says mic needs mods. Seems pretty basic. Klaus isn't just a "guy who mods mics". That's like saying that a Lamborghini is a compact car.
Since the death of Oliver Archut, Klaus is probably the premiere Neumann guy in the world, almost certainly better than anybody left at the factory which AFAIK has none of the original engineers left..
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Post by Ward on Oct 24, 2018 16:22:57 GMT -6
This is my comparison of my U67 reissue using differrent tubes. First of all, no compression used, just some judicious mic control which is meh Secondly, just a very rough guitar track to sing to Third, Sang one chorus, switched tubes, sang next chorus, switched tubes again and sang last chorus. Tried to be as close in performance as possible. Fare from my finest singing . . . .just a rough quick vocal take on Richie Haven's beautiful "I don't wanna know about evil" 1. Stock Tube. 2. Telefunken 806S (big S) NOS 3. Telefunken 806s (small s) NOS both the T-funks are old suckers I paid dearly for. What are your thoughts? (Pardon my nakedness) U67_Tube_comparisons.mp3 (1.19 MB)
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