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Post by yotonic on Aug 10, 2018 1:25:48 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Aug 10, 2018 9:46:40 GMT -6
It’s crazy though, just when you think one mic is absolutely fantastic, you will inevitably record someone that sounds like Ass on it. Yes! As I said earlier this year, I put a bunch of mics up for a female singer I'd already done one record with, and the winner was an AKG 414B-ULS that I've owned 20 years, and never once has it been used on a lead vocal for anyone else. It always lost! I found the SM7, while it was guaranteed to be ok for 97% of rock band sessions, sounded incredibly broken on the 3%, more broken than anything I've ever heard, like there was a cable or patchbay failure. Yep and that’s always been what going to a studio is about, having the choice and know how to find the mic for that voice. |
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Post by ericn on Aug 10, 2018 9:59:10 GMT -6
Nope but as a Sennheiser- Neumann endorsee who did visit and was part of a few meeting about marketing in that company. Neumann is doing his own thing, and Sennheiser there's. And Neumann Engineer got all the old Blueprint about the Neumann microphone, don't worry some might don't like the Neumann tone these days , but they know what there doing, like it or not . !!!!!! Nobody's claiming they don't know what they're doing (I admit...I skip some posts...) but reissuing a classic microphone is going to draw attention. I think the fact that Klaus felt like you could get it identical with a little tweak here and there is astoundingly positive. In fact, I would be much more likely to buy one now that he's given what is essentially approval. Nailed it! He wasn’t disappointed by the tube with the reality that a large company wouldn’t be able to mine the vintage market, but admitted it sounded better with a good vintage tube. The cable is a fairly cheap fix , the PSU could be better, but is still better than other modern Neumann tube mic PSU’s and well they had to meet the realities of UL and CA. The big dispointment was the capsule consistentcy, OK send it to Shannon. Since they didn’t quite nail it this review will send the price of vintage higher so the cost of a new one plus the tweaks will still be less. I’ll bet 90% of the buyers are happy with it out of the box and 50% of those have never heard a virgin track of a decent. 67! Neumann made a decent mic, probably the closest clone of a vintage 67. but it’s going to cost more if you want it to sound exactly like a vintage one. |
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 10, 2018 10:30:33 GMT -6
Nope but as a Sennheiser- Neumann endorsee who did visit and was part of a few meeting about marketing in that company. Neumann is doing his own thing, and Sennheiser there's. And Neumann Engineer got all the old Blueprint about the Neumann microphone, don't worry some might don't like the Neumann tone these days , but they know what there doing, like it or not . !!!!!! The blueprints don't show everything. And assembly techniques have changed quite a bit since the old days.
You atternded meetings about marketing - do you actually believe that they share all the details about production with you? I would guess that there's a LOT of details that they specifically do NOT share with you because they're considered "trade secrets".
The keeping of trade secrets is common in many industries - these are critical details that are NOT found in the patents and blueprints because such documentation is, by law, shared with the public. And since trade secrets are not usually documented, instead being passed from master craftsman to successors, this is precisely the type of critical knowledge that gets lost over time unless it happens to be passed down from the original craftsmen to people like Klaus and (the late) Oliver Archut, often in violation of nondisclosure agreements.
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 10, 2018 10:45:13 GMT -6
ericn how many fine watches these days do you think are made by hand?  It depends on what you consider a "fine watch."
To a true connoisseur there's a difference between truly "fine" and merely expensive.
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Post by drbill on Aug 10, 2018 10:55:24 GMT -6
It's funny. Those who have used Klaus or have worked with his mics line up in support. Those who don't know him from the next salesman at GC line up to throw stones. As much as he can be grating on the nerves at times, there is ZERO doubt that he has more experience with these mics than virtually anyone else on the planet. Look at any other mic repair / tech / modder and you will find mixed experience. I'm not sure I've EVER heard of someone getting back a KH maintained / modded mic and not being over the moon with it.
When your outrigger and LCR set of M50's is acting up, who are you going to send them to? No one but Klaus.
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Post by matt@IAA on Aug 10, 2018 11:09:39 GMT -6
ericn how many fine watches these days do you think are made by hand? It depends on what you consider a "fine watch."
To a true connoisseur there's a difference between truly "fine" and merely expensive.
I suppose, but I genuinely do not think any movements are made by hand any more, at any price. |
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Post by ericn on Aug 10, 2018 11:13:19 GMT -6
ericn how many fine watches these days do you think are made by hand? It depends on what you consider a "fine watch."
To a true connoisseur there's a difference between truly "fine" and merely expensive.
Yeah I was dissipointed to Learn most Cartier watches use a $350 OEM movement. |
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Post by ericn on Aug 10, 2018 11:16:55 GMT -6
It's funny. Those who have used Klaus or have worked with his mics line up in support. Those who don't know him from the next salesman at GC line up to throw stones. As much as he can be grating on the nerves at times, there is ZERO doubt that he has more experience with these mics than virtually anyone else on the planet. Look at any other mic repair / tech / modder and you will find mixed experience. I'm not sure I've EVER heard of someone getting back a KH maintained / modded mic and not being over the moon with it. When your outrigger and LCR set of M50's is acting up, who are you going to send them to? No one but Klaus. Well if you have the time and are on the list yeah Klaus, but if you want to use them this year you call Shannon! In fact personally I prefer his Modded 67 tone to stock or Klaus’s I know I’m a heritic! |
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Post by ericn on Aug 10, 2018 11:21:19 GMT -6
Nope but as a Sennheiser- Neumann endorsee who did visit and was part of a few meeting about marketing in that company. Neumann is doing his own thing, and Sennheiser there's. And Neumann Engineer got all the old Blueprint about the Neumann microphone, don't worry some might don't like the Neumann tone these days , but they know what there doing, like it or not . !!!!!! Separate engineers and production facilities yes, but who writes the checks? Sennhiser! They are the ones who say how the mic will be built and what shall be used and have final approval. It’s not a terrible thing because without it Neumann would no longer exist and neither would these reissues. |
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Post by ericn on Aug 10, 2018 11:23:58 GMT -6
It depends on what you consider a "fine watch."
To a true connoisseur there's a difference between truly "fine" and merely expensive.
I suppose, but I genuinely do not think any movements are made by hand any more, at any price. Their are a couple of $10-20k boutique brands and the Rolex perpetual movement still has a lot manual labor involved according to the rep I talked to over beers last year. |
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Post by ericn on Aug 10, 2018 11:27:24 GMT -6
Nope but as a Sennheiser- Neumann endorsee who did visit and was part of a few meeting about marketing in that company. Neumann is doing his own thing, and Sennheiser there's. And Neumann Engineer got all the old Blueprint about the Neumann microphone, don't worry some might don't like the Neumann tone these days , but they know what there doing, like it or not . !!!!!! The blueprints don't show everything. And assembly techniques have changed quite a bit since the old days.
You atternded meetings about marketing - do you actually believe that they share all the details about production with you? I would guess that there's a LOT of details that they specifically do NOT share with you because they're considered "trade secrets".
The keeping of trade secrets is common in many industries - these are critical details that are NOT found in the patents and blueprints because such documentation is, by law, shared with the public. And since trade secrets are not usually documented, instead being passed from master craftsman to successors, this is precisely the type of critical knowledge that gets lost over time unless it happens to be passed down from the original craftsmen to people like Klaus and (the late) Oliver Archut, often in violation of nondisclosure agreements.
I was told the jig for the capsule tensioning was changed when the u87ai was introduced to make it a more efficient process, but that was not an official Neumann source and I never got confirmation. |
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Post by ericn on Aug 10, 2018 11:34:59 GMT -6
Rereading Klaus’s review I think the most important fact and that nobody mentions is if you have new cable made you either need the connectors modded or need to use the connectors from the original cable!
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Post by spindrift on Aug 10, 2018 11:37:52 GMT -6
I suppose, but I genuinely do not think any movements are made by hand any more, at any price. Their are a couple of $10-20k boutique brands and the Rolex perpetual movement still has a lot manual labor involved according to the rep I talked to over beers last year. Sorry, OT. I have a friend here in my little town who makes 3-4 watches per year and they fetch somewhere around $50,000-$70,000 each. He hand builds EVERY single piece. Evidently there is a market for those types of hand built super luxury watches. I think it’s crazy, but I buy audio gear and geek out on mics....so who am I to talk?!?!  |
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Post by Mister Chase on Aug 10, 2018 11:49:08 GMT -6
It's funny. Those who have used Klaus or have worked with his mics line up in support. Those who don't know him from the next salesman at GC line up to throw stones. As much as he can be grating on the nerves at times, there is ZERO doubt that he has more experience with these mics than virtually anyone else on the planet. Look at any other mic repair / tech / modder and you will find mixed experience. I'm not sure I've EVER heard of someone getting back a KH maintained / modded mic and not being over the moon with it. When your outrigger and LCR set of M50's is acting up, who are you going to send them to? No one but Klaus.
I don't really know him but have heard enough about him. Now after reading that article, yes I would send a reissue straight to him. But I just won't pay 7k for a mic that needs to be sent away to match what it's reissuing, especially when that brings the price up to the original.
If I was rich, sure who cares. But money is an object. Otherwise I'd let him fix it up.
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Post by matt@IAA on Aug 10, 2018 12:30:45 GMT -6
Nope but as a Sennheiser- Neumann endorsee who did visit and was part of a few meeting about marketing in that company. Neumann is doing his own thing, and Sennheiser there's. And Neumann Engineer got all the old Blueprint about the Neumann microphone, don't worry some might don't like the Neumann tone these days , but they know what there doing, like it or not . !!!!!! The blueprints don't show everything. And assembly techniques have changed quite a bit since the old days.
You atternded meetings about marketing - do you actually believe that they share all the details about production with you? I would guess that there's a LOT of details that they specifically do NOT share with you because they're considered "trade secrets".
The keeping of trade secrets is common in many industries - these are critical details that are NOT found in the patents and blueprints because such documentation is, by law, shared with the public. And since trade secrets are not usually documented, instead being passed from master craftsman to successors, this is precisely the type of critical knowledge that gets lost over time unless it happens to be passed down from the original craftsmen to people like Klaus and (the late) Oliver Archut, often in violation of nondisclosure agreements.
That’s not true at all. Trade secrets are normally documented, they have to be in order to be able to enforce them. Otherwise how could you prove that someone stole it? You just don’t publish them, or patent them, and you have to take steps to protect them. Trade secrets are protected by law and are protected indefinitely. Unlike patents, where you disclose the invention and have protection for 20 years. However, a patent precludes someone who independently discovers something from using it, while a trade secret doesn’t. Didn’t you rag hard on that intern who supposedly stole a bunch of trade secrets from Shannon and violated his NDA? Yet here you laud people for doing the same to give information to Klaus? :/ |
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Post by matt@IAA on Aug 10, 2018 12:31:27 GMT -6
Their are a couple of $10-20k boutique brands and the Rolex perpetual movement still has a lot manual labor involved according to the rep I talked to over beers last year. Sorry, OT. I have a friend here in my little town who makes 3-4 watches per year and they fetch somewhere around $50,000-$70,000 each. He hand builds EVERY single piece. Evidently there is a market for those types of hand built super luxury watches. I think it’s crazy, but I buy audio gear and geek out on mics....so who am I to talk?!?! curious - who? He builds his own movements? |
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Post by spindrift on Aug 10, 2018 12:38:22 GMT -6
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Post by matt@IAA on Aug 10, 2018 12:44:22 GMT -6
Very cool! Not many people left that do that. I toured a factory called RGM in Pennsylvania that is similar. However. Some things he uses are bought from ETA (main spring, if I recall). I wonder if this fellow makes *all* the parts. If so, that is absolutely incredible. |
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Post by spindrift on Aug 10, 2018 12:49:20 GMT -6
Very cool! Not many people left that do that. I toured a factory called RGM in Pennsylvania that is similar. However. Some things he uses are bought from ETA (main spring, if I recall). I wonder if this fellow makes *all* the parts. If so, that is absolutely incredible. Yes, it could be. I'm pretty uneducated about that world so he could be buying some parts. I'll ask him next time I see him and let you know via PM. It sure is fun to visit his shop. He's helped me identify some replacement screws for some of my old mics with his magic microscope screw measurer thing-ama-bobber tool. |
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Post by bigbone on Aug 10, 2018 12:56:07 GMT -6
Nope but as a Sennheiser- Neumann endorsee who did visit and was part of a few meeting about marketing in that company. Neumann is doing his own thing, and Sennheiser there's. And Neumann Engineer got all the old Blueprint about the Neumann microphone, don't worry some might don't like the Neumann tone these days , but they know what there doing, like it or not . !!!!!! The blueprints don't show everything. And assembly techniques have changed quite a bit since the old days.
You atternded meetings about marketing - do you actually believe that they share all the details about production with you? I would guess that there's a LOT of details that they specifically do NOT share with you because they're considered "trade secrets".
The keeping of trade secrets is common in many industries - these are critical details that are NOT found in the patents and blueprints because such documentation is, by law, shared with the public. And since trade secrets are not usually documented, instead being passed from master craftsman to successors, this is precisely the type of critical knowledge that gets lost over time unless it happens to be passed down from the original craftsmen to people like Klaus and (the late) Oliver Archut, often in violation of nondisclosure agreements.
You were not there, at the meeting, but you're assuming a lot of thing, Sure we never talk about secrest and NDA agreement,there are way's about manufacture and building mic that i don't want to know and that i'm not qualify to know..... Anyway life too short to argue about how Sennheiser run Neumann or vice verca....i'm out of here.......Have fun and enjoy your tools wathever they are. All the best |
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Post by drbill on Aug 10, 2018 13:43:18 GMT -6
It's funny. Those who have used Klaus or have worked with his mics line up in support. Those who don't know him from the next salesman at GC line up to throw stones. As much as he can be grating on the nerves at times, there is ZERO doubt that he has more experience with these mics than virtually anyone else on the planet. Look at any other mic repair / tech / modder and you will find mixed experience. I'm not sure I've EVER heard of someone getting back a KH maintained / modded mic and not being over the moon with it. When your outrigger and LCR set of M50's is acting up, who are you going to send them to? No one but Klaus. Well if you have the time and are on the list yeah Klaus, but if you want to use them this year you call Shannon! In fact personally I prefer his Modded 67 tone to stock or Klaus’s I know I’m a heritic! I was talking M50's not vocal mics. Klaus. Only Klaus. Even if it takes a couple years. |
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Post by Mister Chase on Aug 10, 2018 14:05:03 GMT -6
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 10, 2018 17:10:56 GMT -6
It depends on what you consider a "fine watch."
To a true connoisseur there's a difference between truly "fine" and merely expensive.
I suppose, but I genuinely do not think any movements are made by hand any more, at any price. If you think that you are wrong. |
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 10, 2018 17:23:59 GMT -6
The blueprints don't show everything. And assembly techniques have changed quite a bit since the old days.
You atternded meetings about marketing - do you actually believe that they share all the details about production with you? I would guess that there's a LOT of details that they specifically do NOT share with you because they're considered "trade secrets".
The keeping of trade secrets is common in many industries - these are critical details that are NOT found in the patents and blueprints because such documentation is, by law, shared with the public. And since trade secrets are not usually documented, instead being passed from master craftsman to successors, this is precisely the type of critical knowledge that gets lost over time unless it happens to be passed down from the original craftsmen to people like Klaus and (the late) Oliver Archut, often in violation of nondisclosure agreements.
That’s not true at all. Trade secrets are normally documented, they have to be in order to be able to enforce them. Otherwise how could you prove that someone stole it? You just don’t publish them, or patent them, and you have to take steps to protect them. Trade secrets are protected by law and are protected indefinitely. Unlike patents, where you disclose the invention and have protection for 20 years. However, a patent precludes someone who independently discovers something from using it, while a trade secret doesn’t. Didn’t you rag hard on that intern who supposedly stole a bunch of trade secrets from Shannon and violated his NDA? Yet here you laud people for doing the same to give information to Klaus? :/ There's a qualitative difference. Klaus collected information from former employees who had knowledge that was no longer current in the company's production, often about techniques that had been discarded by the original company. Shannon's intern obtained current information under false pretenses. Furthermore he did not use it just thjo do the work himself, he corporatized it. That's sleazy eight ways from Sunday!
There's a big difference between preserving information from being lost and sneakily stealing information under false and dishonest pretenses and using it to start a competing company with corporate backing.
I really don't get what your problem is - do you really want precious information about microphone production techniques to be irretrievably lost? Do you not understand the difference between scholarship and theft?
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