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Post by mikec on Jul 9, 2018 8:55:22 GMT -6
It would be really interesting and fun to have a realgearonline gathering of some sort to share workflow and tips and tricks we are all using. I never have my Symphony Control window open and probably don't even use it correctly when I do open it other than to set up my initial basic settings.
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Post by indiehouse on Jul 9, 2018 8:56:33 GMT -6
I have to keep my Symphony Control window open all the time anyway...I have to switch from Playback to Analog when monitoring the Sumbus. Well, that sounds annoying as hell. Wouldn't you just monitor the return post AD?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 9, 2018 9:18:42 GMT -6
One would think...that stuff confuses the hell out of me. But the only way I’ve been able to figure it out is to monitor via analog 1-2.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 9, 2018 9:20:27 GMT -6
It would be really interesting and fun to have a realgearonline gathering of some sort to share workflow and tips and tricks we are all using. I never have my Symphony Control window open and probably don't even use it correctly when I do open it other than to set up my initial basic settings. I agree. I’m SURE there’s stuff I am missing. Btw - since you aren’t monitoring with the Symphony, there would be no need to have the widow up.
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Post by ericn on Jul 9, 2018 9:30:40 GMT -6
One would think...that stuff confuses the hell out of me. But the only way I’ve been able to figure it out is to monitor via analog 1-2. Somebody needs to talk to his gearpimp about a monitor controller or simple switcher. Of course talking to yourself out load can lead to people thinking you need to seek professional help😎 Here you go www.colemanaudio.com/prodimages/LS3altlarge.jpgI know this guy with a this forum who will cut you a great deal😁
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Post by mikec on Jul 9, 2018 9:32:58 GMT -6
It would be really interesting and fun to have a realgearonline gathering of some sort to share workflow and tips and tricks we are all using. I never have my Symphony Control window open and probably don't even use it correctly when I do open it other than to set up my initial basic settings. I agree. I’m SURE there’s stuff I am missing. Btw - since you aren’t monitoring with the Symphony, there would be no need to have the widow up. I KNOW there is stuff I must be missing. Since I added the 2x6 card to my Symphony I sold the Dangerous Source and do all my monitoring via 2 of the six analog outs on the 2x6 module which has streamlined my system a little more. I still never have the Symphony control window open so I am probably missing out on something. I do use an Apogee remote for monitor control and switching between monitors and headphones which is really slick.
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Post by ragan on Jul 9, 2018 9:42:05 GMT -6
I agree. I’m SURE there’s stuff I am missing. Btw - since you aren’t monitoring with the Symphony, there would be no need to have the widow up. I KNOW there is stuff I must be missing. Since I added the 2x6 card to my Symphony I sold the Dangerous Source and do all my monitoring via 2 of the six analog outs on the 2x6 module which has streamlined my system a little more. I still never have the Symphony control window open so I am probably missing out on something. I do use an Apogee remote for monitor control and switching between monitors and headphones which is really slick. What signal do you monitor in the cans, while tracking?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 9, 2018 11:18:47 GMT -6
One would think...that stuff confuses the hell out of me. But the only way I’ve been able to figure it out is to monitor via analog 1-2. Somebody needs to talk to his gearpimp about a monitor controller or simple switcher. Of course talking to yourself out load can lead to people thinking you need to seek professional help😎 Here you go www.colemanaudio.com/prodimages/LS3altlarge.jpgI know this guy with a this forum who will cut you a great deal😁 Not really any different than pushing a button on the screen, right?
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Post by ericn on Jul 9, 2018 11:20:57 GMT -6
Somebody needs to talk to his gearpimp about a monitor controller or simple switcher. Of course talking to yourself out load can lead to people thinking you need to seek professional help😎 Here you go www.colemanaudio.com/prodimages/LS3altlarge.jpgI know this guy with a this forum who will cut you a great deal😁 Not really any different than pushing a button on the screen, right? Well your not using any Computer HP for the simple switch and monitoring output, only a problem with lots of plugins.
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Post by matt on Jul 9, 2018 12:55:11 GMT -6
I have to keep my Symphony Control window open all the time anyway...I have to switch from Playback to Analog when monitoring the Sumbus. I have to do the same thing on the Symphony MK1 to monitor the Sigma.
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Post by ragan on Jul 9, 2018 12:59:55 GMT -6
I have to keep my Symphony Control window open all the time anyway...I have to switch from Playback to Analog when monitoring the Sumbus. I have to do the same thing on the Symphony MK1 to monitor the Sigma. How is this scenario any different than Apollo/Console? And can't you just create an Aux with the proper line inputs in the DAW and not use the direct monitoring of Control/Console, since the latency won't matter while mixing?
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Post by mikec on Jul 9, 2018 13:12:23 GMT -6
I KNOW there is stuff I must be missing. Since I added the 2x6 card to my Symphony I sold the Dangerous Source and do all my monitoring via 2 of the six analog outs on the 2x6 module which has streamlined my system a little more. I still never have the Symphony control window open so I am probably missing out on something. I do use an Apogee remote for monitor control and switching between monitors and headphones which is really slick. What signal do you monitor in the cans, while tracking? For the most part when tracking I've been setting my DAW so everything outputs to channels 1&2 so I monitor the out of my first two channels on the the 2x6 SE module. I've also been experimenting with tracking through the 2Bus+ and monitoring the summed output during tracking and I am starting to like this method since I already have things stemmed out to the 16 channels of the 2Bus+ when I'm ready to start mixing. I use the two input channels of the 2x6SE for the summed signal from my 2Bus+ so I am monitoring everything though the 2x6SE module.
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Post by ragan on Jul 9, 2018 13:20:39 GMT -6
What signal do you monitor in the cans, while tracking? For the most part when tracking I've been setting my DAW so everything outputs to channels 1&2 so I monitor the out of my first two channels on the the 2x6 SE module. I've also been experimenting with tracking through the 2Bus+ and monitoring the summed output during tracking and I am starting to like this method since I already have things stemmed out to the 16 channels of the 2Bus+ when I'm ready to start mixing. I use the two input channels of the 2x6SE for the summed signal from my 2Bus+ so I am monitoring everything though the 2x6SE module. Yeah I just wasn't quite getting why you (or Johnkenn) would need to use Control/Console apps to monitor the summing. An aux in the DAW with the correct inputs would work just fine, wouldn't it? No need to keep the other app open all the time?
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Post by mikec on Jul 9, 2018 14:42:07 GMT -6
For the most part when tracking I've been setting my DAW so everything outputs to channels 1&2 so I monitor the out of my first two channels on the the 2x6 SE module. I've also been experimenting with tracking through the 2Bus+ and monitoring the summed output during tracking and I am starting to like this method since I already have things stemmed out to the 16 channels of the 2Bus+ when I'm ready to start mixing. I use the two input channels of the 2x6SE for the summed signal from my 2Bus+ so I am monitoring everything though the 2x6SE module. Yeah I just wasn't quite getting why you (or Johnkenn ) would need to use Control/Console apps to monitor the summing. An aux in the DAW with the correct inputs would work just fine, wouldn't it? No need to keep the other app open all the time? That's why I was wondering if I was missing something because I never have the Apogee console open and have never used it after the initial setup. I guess I would need to have it open to control monitoring volume if I was too far away from the Symphony but since I use the Apogee remote I never need to open the apogee console.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 9, 2018 14:57:44 GMT -6
Maybe I am just misunderstanding these problems, but the apogee console/ controller has 2 basic settings, mixer for tracking (with or without plugs) , it sees all your I/O and playback for mixing your session.
While tracking, you can set the relative volume levels of your tracks using the mixer faders.
You have 4 mixers for 4 different monitor mixes if you want them ?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 9, 2018 16:13:50 GMT -6
Actually - I think it gets screwy if you have Low Latency on.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 9, 2018 16:20:11 GMT -6
Ah, what gets screwy, as the whole point of the mixer window is like Apollo’s low latency?
Now I don’t track with plugs but do use my ob pres and comps and have a mv iv I can patch in for verb if I want.
I am not using a monitor controller, other DA,, etc.. One of the things I like about apogee symph mkii is that it is self contained? One control knob for cans and speakers, one I/o etc..?
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Post by Quint on Jul 9, 2018 17:13:52 GMT -6
Until Apogee straightens out things like using two outs for monitors, and and gets their software on par with UAD's, I'm staying where I am. Frankly, if I can get better converters at some point, I'd forget about the Symphony, which does sound super sweet to me though. UAD has an opportunity to leap ahead when they make an Apollo III. It HAS to be a real leap forward in converters and preamps, because the functionality is superb already, so the sound quality is where it will really count. Unfortunately, my best guess is UAD will make the 8 and 8P models have the "improved" converters their 16 has, and then slightly improve the interface. I so hope they don't go that way. I'd love to see one of the models be equal to the Symphony sonically, even if that premium version was $1,000 more, it would be worth it to have a truly high end one box solution. The bf 16 only has better DA and they are now like 5 years plus old as a design. I think UA has to really pull out the stops on the mkiii. They would also be implicitly expecting current owners to buy up,they better make it count ! Though I don't have any idea what they may have in the works for the Apollo MKIII, I think it should have: 1. Improved Converters 2. Web App control, a la the new Motu stuff 3. Options for internal Octo or even 16 chip dsp 4. Larger overall throughput and more flexible routing 1 and 3 are a given, I think. Adding 2 or 4 would be a step up in UA's game. Doing all four would be knocking it out of the park and is something I would likely purchase. Maybe what seems to be an apparent slowdown in the number of plugins UA is putting out lately is because they're working on a kick ass new Apollo MKIII.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 9, 2018 18:47:41 GMT -6
Well Gannon who was the go to public face of UA lots of places moved over to a prod dev job about a year ago.
No idea what he is actually doing but he is a very deep industry guy care from avid, knows SW and HW like the back of his hand, is a trained musician and has his own study, if apollo mkiii is his call, it’s in good hands.
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Post by matt on Jul 9, 2018 19:53:27 GMT -6
I have to do the same thing on the Symphony MK1 to monitor the Sigma. And can't you just create an Aux with the proper line inputs in the DAW and not use the direct monitoring of Control/Console, since the latency won't matter while mixing? Sure, it's what I do during mix. But during tracking, I need Maestro for direct HW monitoring of the inputs. So I leave it open all the time, with the inputs muted unless I need them. I'd love to have a cleaner workflow, but I haven't figured one out.
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Post by indiehouse on Jul 9, 2018 20:51:47 GMT -6
And can't you just create an Aux with the proper line inputs in the DAW and not use the direct monitoring of Control/Console, since the latency won't matter while mixing? Sure, it's what I do during mix. But during tracking, I need Maestro for direct HW monitoring of the inputs. So I leave it open all the time, with the inputs muted unless I need them. I'd love to have a cleaner workflow, but I haven't figured one out. Yeah, that’s how I track. Same workflow as UAD Console, just a bit more clunky.
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Post by guitfiddler on Jul 9, 2018 22:32:00 GMT -6
I had issues with my symphony 64 rig with routing issues and especially in advanced routing mode. I had a time getting digital in to work, then it would freak out and the window would blink and reset and I had to reboot. Then it was solid for a while. Then I would have to go back in Utility and reset my settings to what I had prior to it working. This would happen intermittently, and I took the step back to UAD. The sound quality is closer to the Apogee Symphony legacy rig with 16X's, I wouldn't say better, but different. I need more time with it, but it's good enough with the workflow.
Don't they have a plugin to fix that routing/flickering problem? lol
I'm not knocking any manufacturer, I'm just pointing out my experiences with my Legacy Symphony rig, and that I was grateful that Apogee gave us the Thunderbridge to keep the legacy stuff going with the newer computers.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 10, 2018 2:18:44 GMT -6
I keep the window open too, so you use delay comp to align the summed signal with the session tracks while mixing(playback) ?
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Post by hugostiglitz on Jul 10, 2018 2:43:30 GMT -6
I am throwing in the RME UFX
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Post by lando on Jul 10, 2018 5:45:28 GMT -6
Sorry for off topic, but what is the Svartbox? I have understood that it is a AD/DA, but is it diy? I couldn’t find a dedicated thread..!
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