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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 13, 2018 9:17:49 GMT -6
Fake News? I saw the most amateurish performance on I've ever seen last night that was on a good stage with great lights and sound. The band's friends were cheering for a sadly off key "Singer/Songwriter", the "lead guitarist" did a solo in the wrong key, and everyone filmed it so they could post the only decent 15 seconds to look good on youtube. Here's a lovely simple recording with a C12, U47's and vocalists who can actually sing without auto-tune.
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Post by mhbunch on Jun 13, 2018 13:49:25 GMT -6
That’s video is not the actual performance of the recording. But I feel you, working at a live venue has jaded me. The quality of talent has taken a nose dive.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 13, 2018 13:56:14 GMT -6
Thanks mhbunch. I was a little skeptical too. Still, my point is this is how music was done, great mics, great studios, smart engineers, and musicians who had real talent. They were sorted out by the record company business, usually promoting the more talented artists they could find, weeding out the wheat from the chaff.
I thought people here would get a kick out of the mics and film of "the session" :-)
If friends took the best 15 seconds of that no real talent, no chops wannabe I saw last night and post it on youtube, it equalizes a completely half assed "performer'. Publishing and broadcasting used to mean it was worthy of consideration, now it's just full of people broadcasting their half-assed nonsense.
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Post by donr on Jun 13, 2018 14:03:57 GMT -6
Never knew they were Australian. Cool. Who was playing the tambourine?
The Seekers were part of the "English Invasion," but I was down with the Mersey Beat and The Zombies, Stones and the Animals, DC5 etc.
The California equivalent of the Seekers was We Five, a bunch of guys (one 12 string) with a great gal singer. "You Were On My Mind" rocks to this day.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 13, 2018 14:06:12 GMT -6
Me too Don. I was never a big fan of this kind of music, but I sure enjoyed it when it came on the radio. C list artists then were better than many A list artists now, unfortunately. "You Were On My Mind" is a great example of that. Petula Clarke's "Downtown" is another example of a great song performed well, live!
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Post by donr on Jun 13, 2018 14:10:41 GMT -6
Me too Don. I was never a big fan of this kind of music, but I enjoyed it when it came on the radio. C list artists then were better than many A list artists now, unfortunately. I just thought of Petula Clarke's song, Downtown. Not my kind of thing, but man, what a great record. Legend has it that Petula Clark insisted on singing live with the band, she didn't want to overdub to a track. All those recordings supposedly went down live all at once. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 13, 2018 14:16:39 GMT -6
I frickin' love that! Funny sidebar, my mother was a schoolmate of petula Clarke's. They were friends, and my mother said she was cool.
I guess part of my point is that I think artists should at least be capable of doing that, even if they typically multi-track. Ryan Adam's is a good example, there's lots of live tracking on his albums, even though there's plenty of overdubs I'm sure.
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Post by donr on Jun 13, 2018 14:25:27 GMT -6
"You Were On My Mind" has an interesting back story. It was written by Sylvia Fricker of Ian And Sylvia, and later covered by We Five. I will admit to having a huge crush on Beverly Bivens of We Five as a Freshman. That voice. www.cshf.ca/song/you-were-on-my-mind/ |
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Post by donr on Jun 13, 2018 14:29:52 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 13, 2018 15:03:04 GMT -6
It occurs to me that if I got my wish that the bar was set tremendously higher in all respects...I might not be able to make music lol.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jun 13, 2018 16:07:29 GMT -6
Elvs Presely insisted on singing live in the middle of the band just like he had at Sun.
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Post by matt@IAA on Jun 13, 2018 16:27:33 GMT -6
donr man you’re going to laugh but I always thought you were on my mind was a male lead singer....
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Post by donr on Jun 13, 2018 16:30:46 GMT -6
donr man you’re going to laugh but I always thought you were on my mind was a male lead singer.... Ha, no. Beverly must be almost an alto, she sounds good in low registers. Karen Carpenter had the same thing going. Sounded great down low. Think of the opening to "We've Only Just Begun." I think Karen's version of "Superstar" is the definitive recording. |
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Post by matt@IAA on Jun 13, 2018 16:48:54 GMT -6
Karen Carpenter is my all time favorite female voice. Just amazing.
But for that song, I guess I was hearing it like a Davy Jones kind of lead. Now it sounds obviously female.
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Post by jsteiger on Jun 13, 2018 16:50:21 GMT -6
Fake News? I saw the most amateurish performance on I've ever seen last night that was on a good stage with great lights and sound. The band's friends were cheering for a sadly off key "Singer/Songwriter", the "lead guitarist" did a solo in the wrong key, and everyone filmed it so they could post the only decent 15 seconds to look good on youtube. Here's a lovely simple recording with a C12, U47's and vocalists who can actually sing without auto-tune. The girl is on a C28 not a C12. |
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Post by yotonic on Jun 13, 2018 17:09:03 GMT -6
The mics in that video are props. The actual recording in the studio was done with Mexican made SM7s. On everything...  |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 13, 2018 19:51:14 GMT -6
Thanks Jsteiger, I thought that mic was a little different but wasn't sure.
Johnken said, "It occurs to me that if I got my wish that the bar was set tremendously higher in all respects...I might not be able to make music lol"
Nah, you kidding? Your bar's way high enough already, don't doubt it.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Jun 13, 2018 19:59:45 GMT -6
What venue were you at Martin?
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Post by donr on Jun 13, 2018 20:09:21 GMT -6
Karen Carpenter is my all time favorite female voice. Just amazing. But for that song, I guess I was hearing it like a Davy Jones kind of lead. Now it sounds obviously female. Well, Beverly and Davy Jones had a similar haircut.. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 13, 2018 20:12:19 GMT -6
Jeremy, I was at The Shrine, a cool music venue in Harlem. They have a nice size stage, good lighting, a good sound system and a friendly atmosphere there.
While we're at it, here's one where the people can most definitely play and sing ;-)
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Post by Guitar on Jun 13, 2018 20:26:06 GMT -6
Wow. The track sounds absolutely massive, from the acoustic guitar all the way to the stacked voices. Very cool, thanks for sharing.
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Post by johneppstein on Jun 14, 2018 23:56:17 GMT -6
It occurs to me that if I got my wish that the bar was set tremendously higher in all respects...I might not be able to make music lol. Sure you could. |
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Post by Ward on Jun 15, 2018 6:01:34 GMT -6
The mics in that video are props. The actual recording in the studio was done with Mexican made SM7s. On everything... I think they used the ones made in JINA - they're YUGE, tremendous really. BIGLY even |
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Post by ericn on Jun 18, 2018 12:03:57 GMT -6
It occurs to me that if I got my wish that the bar was set tremendously higher in all respects...I might not be able to make music lol. Sure you could. Heard they were moving production to North Korea. |
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Post by Mister Chase on Jun 21, 2018 21:55:45 GMT -6
It's possible the "talent" is different now, but maybe not. Or how much there is. Or how it is cultivated. Someone with average talent and drive to woodshed who really puts in the time practicing the right things the right way can do amazing things with music, IMO. There are plenty of people that can do what the Abbey Road video shows. It just isn't the way things are done anymore in mainstream music, for the most part.
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