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Post by drbill on Jun 1, 2018 10:43:35 GMT -6
Is anyone using the JBL 708P's? Jeff Hedback recommended them - he said they were awesome, and now they have me curious. I haven't changed speakers in over a decade.....
I have a love/hate thing with JBL's. I've used them exclusively for the last 15 years or so, and also at the beginning of my career.
Right now I'm on the original LSR 28P's with the carbon fiber baffles, and I have mixed everything from music to films to IMAX features on them. They are not my most favorite "sounding" speaker for just listening, but for me, they make me work harder, and my mixes translate better. Plus, they are workhorses that will just NOT die. That's a win/win/win IMO.
Anyway, the 708P's have piqued my interest. Kind of gaudy, and a bit pricey, but I want to get some for an extended auditioning period....
Anyone have some long term experience with them?
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Post by EmRR on Jun 1, 2018 10:55:28 GMT -6
I started a thread about this last month. I auditioned 705P’s in my room and bought. No chance to audition 708’s around here. They replaced LSR28P’s. I feel they are all around better with clearer stronger bass and less box woof. I don’t need a sub at all. They sound same family, with no serious user adjustment transition. Don’t feel a need to step up to the 708’s at twice the money. They do sound brighter on first comparison, but I honestly think the top in both my LSR28P's was slowly going, it was the top in the amplifier circuit that went in one of them first, not the tweeter itself.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 1, 2018 10:56:48 GMT -6
No longer term experience. But i was pretty impressed when i heard them. Especially for their size. Actually think it was the 705s i heard.
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Post by svart on Jun 1, 2018 11:57:06 GMT -6
I use the LSR4328P, which I guess is the generation before these LSR708's. I've always wondered how the newer speakers tested against the older ones.
I love my LSR4328P's even though they aren't the most detailed monitors, they definitely get me closer to a finished product faster than anything else I've used.
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Post by mulmany on Jun 1, 2018 16:49:17 GMT -6
Don't think the 708P are in the LSR line. Doug's thread made me look in to them, very impressive spec's.
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Post by EmRR on Jun 1, 2018 16:54:57 GMT -6
Don't think the 708P are in the LSR line. Doug's thread made me look in to them, very impressive spec's. The new LSR line shouldn't be confused with the old, they are budget speakers compared to the old. The 705/8 is the continuation of the basic price point and overall quality. The similarity between the old LSR line and the 700 line is available power and the claims about the drivers. The new budget LSR has much lower power, price, and no special mention about the drivers. |
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Post by ericn on Jun 2, 2018 9:46:46 GMT -6
I keep hearing that these will be the last of the true JBL monitors, I also keep hearing them compared favorably to the new Meyers and winning shootouts because they hold their own and blow the Meyers away when you compare the price.
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Post by drbill on Jun 2, 2018 17:08:42 GMT -6
I keep hearing that these will be the last of the true JBL monitors, I also keep hearing them compared favorably to the new Meyers and winning shootouts because they hold their own and blow the Meyers away when you compare the price. I for sure know that JBL has moved their mechanical engineering to China at this point. Supposedly "acoustical" engineering remains in Northridge, but a lot is in transition at this point. |
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Post by drbill on Jun 2, 2018 17:09:19 GMT -6
Thanks to all for your input. I think I'll try to give the 8's an audition if I can pull it off....
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Post by ericn on Jun 2, 2018 19:12:40 GMT -6
Thanks to all for your input. I think I'll try to give the 8's an audition if I can pull it off.... I heard a pair with the big JBL sub for 3 min next to the mega buck project Everest, I wanted to spend more time with the 708’s and less with the project Everest if that tells you anything and you know when it comes to speakers I’m one picky old SOB! |
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Post by Guitar on Jun 3, 2018 15:36:05 GMT -6
I would love to try some. That waveguide thing they're doing on the tweeter is legitimately cool.
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Post by drbill on Aug 26, 2018 19:08:06 GMT -6
Don't think the 708P are in the LSR line. Doug's thread made me look in to them, very impressive spec's. The new LSR line shouldn't be confused with the old, they are budget speakers compared to the old. The 705/8 is the continuation of the basic price point and overall quality. The similarity between the old LSR line and the 700 line is available power and the claims about the drivers. The new budget LSR has much lower power, price, and no special mention about the drivers. Doug - to clarify more on what you mentioned - I recently hosted a buddy who works in development @ JBL and he told me that the 708/705's are not "new improved LSR" series speakers. Their tech is trickle down from JBL's M2's which some consider the best speakers in the world. (Should be at $25k).... The 7 series is direct descendent tech from the M2, and has more in common with the M2 than it does with the older LSR series. Seriously considering trading the LSR28P's for 708's..... I think with 705's I'd probably want a sub / subs, but hoping with the 708's I won't need em.... |
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Post by EmRR on Aug 26, 2018 19:37:24 GMT -6
The similarity between the old LSR line and the 700 line is available power and the claims about the drivers. Doug - to clarify more on what you mentioned - I recently hosted a buddy who works in development @ JBL and he told me that the 708/705's are not "new improved LSR" series speakers. Their tech is trickle down from JBL's M2's which some consider the best speakers in the world. (Should be at $25k).... The 7 series is direct descendent tech from the M2, and has more in common with the M2 than it does with the older LSR series. Seriously considering trading the LSR28P's for 708's..... I think with 705's I'd probably want a sub / subs, but hoping with the 708's I won't need em.... If you don't need a sub with the LSR28P's, you probably wouldn't with the 705's either. I know, it seems a big stretch, but I swear bass is bigger and tighter with the 705's than it was with the LSR28P's. Not that the 708's wouldn't be cool. Changing the highlighted quote above, that is the direct relationship if comparing 700 series to old LSR, and new LSR does not meet those specs or make those claims, at least on paper. |
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Post by drbill on Aug 26, 2018 19:42:28 GMT -6
I kinda DO need a sub with the 28P's. It's not a HUGE deal right now with the 28's, but it's better with a sub. Hedback would like to see me get 2 subs. One for the front of the room, one for the rear. Says it will smooth out room nodes.... I still kinda want to work without them....
If the 708's will give me the light lower octave extension that the 28's with Sub give me now....I think I'm golden. I just need a light extension on the bottom with the 28's. I've got the JBL 12P that go with the 12P's. Not the greatest sub, but it works.
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Post by ericn on Aug 28, 2018 8:54:18 GMT -6
I kinda DO need a sub with the 28P's. It's not a HUGE deal right now with the 28's, but it's better with a sub. Hedback would like to see me get 2 subs. One for the front of the room, one for the rear. Says it will smooth out room nodes.... I still kinda want to work without them.... If the 708's will give me the light lower octave extension that the 28's with Sub give me now....I think I'm golden. I just need a light extension on the bottom with the 28's. I've got the JBL 12P that go with the 12P's. Not the greatest sub, but it works. Those 12p’s are better than most, they don’t go down to never, never land nor the last word in definition, but they do mesh well with the other LSR’s well when set up correctly and are pretty musical plus can add quite a bit of BOOM when called for. |
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Post by drbill on Sept 25, 2018 22:00:52 GMT -6
I've decided I'm going to pull the trigger on these. Look forward to having them within 2-3 weeks. Super excited actually. 1st new speakers in over 15 years I think.....
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Post by drbill on Oct 15, 2018 19:29:30 GMT -6
OK. Got the 708P's today.
First thoughts in comparison to the LSR28P's I've been using successfully (!!!) for over a decade...
They are smaller
They are lighter
They are louder
They have more headroom
They are not as harsh when pushed REALLY loud
They are not as low mid bloated
They are cleaner and more hi-fi
They have a MUCH HUGER sweet spot (even when I set them on top of the LSR's and they were 2 feet over my head...
They sound like I already had stuff mastered
They gel'd more elegantly with my sub
They are super detailed without being clinical
...They are killing it for me. Switching back to the LSR's sounded like I was mixing in a box with the speakers RIGHT in my face. Ugly in comparison.
Super happy I did this. I actually got excited about a few pieces of music that almost moved me to tears.
What great speakers!!!
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Post by Blackdawg on Oct 15, 2018 20:10:02 GMT -6
Cool glad you like them.
The wide sweet spot was one thing that left an impression on me when I heard them.
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Post by Quint on Oct 16, 2018 7:08:32 GMT -6
What are some you guys with 705/708s liking about these two way monitors versus a three way monitor?
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Post by drbill on Oct 16, 2018 9:20:36 GMT -6
I haven't had 3 way's in...man....probably close to 25 years. What I like about the 7 series is above though.
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Post by ericn on Oct 16, 2018 10:06:16 GMT -6
I haven't had 3 way's in...man....probably close to 25 years. What I like about the 7 series is above though. I have heard from a couple of video guys that the 708’s hold their own against the far more expensive new Meyers, the 708’s win out on price every time. The only complaint is they might be a bit to “HIFI” in there voicing, but that’s a personal thing. |
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Post by drbill on Oct 16, 2018 13:47:26 GMT -6
Yes. Lots of post studio's putting these in and word on the street is that they are working really well. Even at mid-field distances. Also lots of music only studios choosing these over the usual high end suspects. Now, I completely understand why....
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Post by Quint on Oct 16, 2018 16:32:03 GMT -6
I haven't had 3 way's in...man....probably close to 25 years. What I like about the 7 series is above though. "Above though"? I didn't quite follow you. |
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Post by Quint on Oct 16, 2018 16:38:25 GMT -6
I have a pair of JBL 4410s, which are three ways. I like them, but I've been meaning to ship the crossover cards to Jim Williams and also pick up an Adcom to have him mod as well so that I can use it in place of my current amp.
I've been debating on whether or not to go this route of upgrading my JBL chain or rather leave them as is, sell my pair of Dynaudio BM5As instead, and pick up a new pair of monitors like the Dynaudio Lyd 48 or something else new like maybe these 700 series JBL.
Hence the question about the three way versus two way. I like having the mid driver on the 4410s and have thought for a while now that maybe the BM5As being two way were possibly holding me back. I guess I'm just surprised to hear that some of you prefer a two way, especially when they cost $2000 a piece.
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Post by drbill on Oct 16, 2018 16:48:56 GMT -6
I haven't had 3 way's in...man....probably close to 25 years. What I like about the 7 series is above though. "Above though"? I didn't quite follow you. Directly above I said this about the 708 series : First thoughts in comparison to the LSR28P's I've been using successfully (!!!) for over a decade...
They are smaller
They are lighter
They are louder
They have more headroom
They are not as harsh when pushed REALLY loud
They are not as low mid bloated
They are cleaner and more hi-fi
They have a MUCH HUGER sweet spot (even when I set them on top of the LSR's and they were 2 feet over my head...
They sound like I already had stuff mastered
They gel'd more elegantly with my sub
They are super detailed without being clinical
...They are killing it for me. Switching back to the LSR's sounded like I was mixing in a box with the speakers RIGHT in my face. Ugly in comparison.
Super happy I did this. I actually got excited about a few pieces of music that almost moved me to tears.
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