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Post by Martin John Butler on May 18, 2018 15:20:20 GMT -6
True spindrift. The IO67 does sound like a real Neumann though, not a close but no cigar clone. I found the ioaudio 67 sounds like a U87 on steroids.
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Post by spindrift on May 18, 2018 18:38:55 GMT -6
I agree Martin. It is a dead ringer. That said, if I purchased a U67 on the classifieds and a MK67 showed up, I'd have something to say about it. So, that difference is what I'm specifying (real Neumann BV12, etc).
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Post by professorplum on Jun 17, 2018 21:18:13 GMT -6
I’ve been snooping around a bit and from what I can piece together, it’s a Tele 251 ELA M (vintage I suspect but not confirmed) and a Fairchild 670 on the vocals. Preamp unknown. Could definitely hear it being a 251. Just checked out the album for the first time, and saw that Serban Ghenea was listed on the credits as well. Wonder if he did the singles, but Shawn Everett the rest. Either way, the whole thing sounds big with some great reverb + FX throughout. Whatever the vocal chain was, it sounds pretty darn good
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Post by Ward on Jun 18, 2018 5:53:57 GMT -6
I’ve been snooping around a bit and from what I can piece together, it’s a Tele 251 ELA M (vintage I suspect but not confirmed) and a Fairchild 670 on the vocals. Preamp unknown. Could definitely hear it being a 251. Just checked out the album for the first time, and saw that Serban Ghenea was listed on the credits as well. Wonder if he did the singles, but Shawn Everett the rest. Either way, the whole thing sounds big with some great reverb + FX throughout. Whatever the vocal chain was, it sounds pretty darn good Consider the source . . . the VOICE. If Kacey Musgraves were recorded with johneppstein 's beloved Beta 58 through an ART $49 preamp, she'd still sound amazing
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Post by lordalvin on Jun 10, 2019 16:07:18 GMT -6
Considering I tracked it, I could probably tell you what you need to know.
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Post by lordalvin on Jun 10, 2019 16:10:26 GMT -6
Johnkenn what do you make of that vocal sound? Is that something like a 251 into a CAPI/API squished with a CL1B? Just spitballin’ here. 251 on figure 8 pattern-1073 no eq-Fairchild 670 or 660. Reverb was a Lexicon 224 on Small Hall with the mid rt pushed up to 35. The top and bottom rt varied a bit from song to song.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 10, 2019 16:19:04 GMT -6
Johnkenn what do you make of that vocal sound? Is that something like a 251 into a CAPI/API squished with a CL1B? Just spitballin’ here. 251 on figure 8 pattern-1073 no eq-Fairchild 670 or 660. Reverb was a Lexicon 224 on Small Hall with the mid rt pushed up to 35. The top and bottom rt varied a bit from song to song. Figure 8 just sound better? Less proximity?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 10, 2019 16:25:45 GMT -6
Just going back through this thread...RIP Ralph Murphy.
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Post by lordalvin on Jun 10, 2019 16:28:26 GMT -6
Let's play a stupid game of guess that chain: Kacey's "Love is a Wild Thing" song AGtr on the Left channel - Martin with a KM84 AGtr on the Right channel - J45 with a C451EB CK1 Other guesses? It would be fun to find out for reals someday. It was an Epiphone Texan and a Guild of some kind. The mics were Coles 4038 and Neumann KM56 blended to one track.
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Post by tskguy on Jun 10, 2019 16:40:41 GMT -6
Mr Alvin!! Welcome to RGO
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Post by lordalvin on Jun 10, 2019 16:41:15 GMT -6
People play fast and loose with what they call mics these days (like calling an ioaudio MK67 a "U67", it's close but it's not) hence my not being positive about the era of mic used. It was a real Telefunken ELA M 251. We started out with the one at Sheryl Crow's studio, but when we moved over to Sound Emporium and to my studio we rented one from Blackbird. We had to try out 4 or 5 of them to find one that matched.
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Post by lordalvin on Jun 10, 2019 16:49:06 GMT -6
251 on figure 8 pattern-1073 no eq-Fairchild 670 or 660. Reverb was a Lexicon 224 on Small Hall with the mid rt pushed up to 35. The top and bottom rt varied a bit from song to song. Figure 8 just sound better? Less proximity? More proximity. We started with it that way because she was playing acoustic and the rejection was better. When we switched over to do overdubs we found that we preferred that pattern on her because it was smoother and warmer.
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Post by spindrift on Jun 10, 2019 16:51:33 GMT -6
Figure 8 just sound better? Less proximity? More proximity. We started with it that way because she was playing acoustic and the rejection was better. When we switched over to do overdubs we found that we preferred that pattern on her because it was smoother and warmer. CRAIG! Welcome to RGO. Kacey's record is how I became a fan of yours. So glad to see you here. Best, Keith
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Post by spindrift on Jun 10, 2019 16:54:52 GMT -6
Let's play a stupid game of guess that chain: Kacey's "Love is a Wild Thing" song AGtr on the Left channel - Martin with a KM84 AGtr on the Right channel - J45 with a C451EB CK1 Other guesses? It would be fun to find out for reals someday. It was an Epiphone Texan and a Guild of some kind. The mics were Coles 4038 and Neumann KM56 blended to one track. Craig, not BS'ing you, I was thinking about that guitar sound TODAY in fact. While I know the instrument and player made a huge difference, that "Love is a Wild Thing" acoustic sound is my gold standard reference for acoustic sounds. I've been having good luck with the 4038/KM56 combo too (running into 1066s). Thanks for that tip. PS-the artist even commented that this is the first time he's heard his recorded acoustic sound like it sounds to him while he's playing it. Attachments:
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 10, 2019 20:22:55 GMT -6
Thanks for joining in lordalvin! I've been curious about the vocal sound on Slow Burn myself. I've really enjoyed the sound and the voicing on the acoustic guitars on that track and then the bass player just kills it with some monster riffs. I felt there was some kind of edge or distortion I wasn't familiar with on the vocal which must have been the Fairchild. IT's good to know. Now I know I need a 251 type sound. I have a clone in my closet, maybe it's time to get it modded.
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Post by Ward on Jun 10, 2019 21:18:26 GMT -6
Johnkenn what do you make of that vocal sound? Is that something like a 251 into a CAPI/API squished with a CL1B? Just spitballin’ here. 251 on figure 8 pattern-1073 no eq-Fairchild 670 or 660. Reverb was a Lexicon 224 on Small Hall with the mid rt pushed up to 35. The top and bottom rt varied a bit from song to song. Nice work One of my favorite songrwriters and singers ever. You did a great job with her too.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 10, 2019 21:18:41 GMT -6
Yeah acoustic(s) sound amazing on Slow Burn. Would have never thought about a 4038 on guitar.
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Post by jacobamerritt on Jun 10, 2019 22:50:15 GMT -6
Yeah acoustic(s) sound amazing on Slow Burn. Would have never thought about a 4038 on guitar. I used a 4038 on a hollow body in the control room while tracking the amp in the live room for a song and it sounded sweet blended.
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Post by Ward on Jun 11, 2019 10:16:41 GMT -6
Yeah acoustic(s) sound amazing on Slow Burn. Would have never thought about a 4038 on guitar. I used a 4038 on a hollow body in the control room while tracking the amp in the live room for a song and it sounded sweet blended. You don't hear of that kind of tracking expericne every day. Do you have an audio sample per chance?
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Post by jacobamerritt on Jun 11, 2019 10:46:23 GMT -6
I used a 4038 on a hollow body in the control room while tracking the amp in the live room for a song and it sounded sweet blended. You don't hear of that kind of tracking expericne every day. Do you have an audio sample per chance? I'd have to hunt around. I'll try to remember though!
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Post by jsteiger on Jun 11, 2019 18:17:17 GMT -6
People play fast and loose with what they call mics these days (like calling an ioaudio MK67 a "U67", it's close but it's not) hence my not being positive about the era of mic used. It was a real Telefunken ELA M 251. We started out with the one at Sheryl Crow's studio, but when we moved over to Sound Emporium and to my studio we rented one from Blackbird. We had to try out 4 or 5 of them to find one that matched. If you and Kacey wanna checkout my Dolly 251 I'd be down. It's spectacular. I think it must be the magic spitle Dolly blew into it
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 11, 2019 19:58:03 GMT -6
lordalvin, I'm curious about the way Slow Burn was tracked. Was it the whole band live?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 11, 2019 22:08:35 GMT -6
It was a real Telefunken ELA M 251. We started out with the one at Sheryl Crow's studio, but when we moved over to Sound Emporium and to my studio we rented one from Blackbird. We had to try out 4 or 5 of them to find one that matched. If you and Kacey wanna checkout my Dolly 251 I'd be down. It's spectacular. I think it must be the magic spitle Dolly blew into it I mean...it sound ok.
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Post by christopher on Jun 12, 2019 0:21:20 GMT -6
Figure 8 just sound better? Less proximity? More proximity. We started with it that way because she was playing acoustic and the rejection was better. When we switched over to do overdubs we found that we preferred that pattern on her because it was smoother and warmer. I love and prefer Fig 8 mics. Is there something wrong with me? And to think, early ribbon mics were already figure 8 (AFAIK). Talk about a lucky break.
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Post by Ward on Jun 12, 2019 6:52:45 GMT -6
If you and Kacey wanna checkout my Dolly 251 I'd be down. It's spectacular. I think it must be the magic spitle Dolly blew into it I mean...it sound ok. How much do you think Jeff wants for that $500 mic?
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