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Post by Martin John Butler on May 11, 2018 7:55:21 GMT -6
Good question cowboycoalminer. Maybe The War On Drugs' "Lost in the Dream". Ryan Adams has a few, but I'm not sure they were done in the last 5 years. Stapleton's album with "Broken Halos" has the potential to be timeless, but I don't think there are quite enough monster songs on it. Fleetwood Mac's "Rumors" had what, 9 top ten hits? All classics now. I'm not a huge fan, but I've listened to that record twice this year already. Y'now who really stands up to time, Steven Stills, that cat's catalogue sounds better than 99% of today's Alt Country.
Just an FYI, not to diminish the joy of hearing such a lovely song, this is basically a Country version of The Verve's "Bittersweet Symphony". Same chords and a huge vibe on that one too.
I'm curious, who produced "Slow Burn"? Who got writing credit.
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Post by Blackdawg on May 11, 2018 8:17:57 GMT -6
If you don't love me now...you will never love me again..... No references to back roads, nose rings, grandma's, drinkin' or tailgates needed.... Refreshingly with no twang (personal preference...) This era of music is my all time favorite. And this album in particular is as good as recorded music gets. Great writing, production, performance etc. In these days, songs were shaped and honed for months and sometimes years before they hit the record button. Not all songs were of coarse but some of the greats. It shows in the music because it is timeless. Can someone name me one timeless recording in the last 5 years? Daft Punks RAM album. that's it though I think. But this was done as you said, over years of production and Daft Punk is very well know for taking their time to find exactly what they want. And they did this whole album as an homage to the "good old days" of recording.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 11, 2018 8:31:59 GMT -6
I dunno. I'm not a massive Kacey fan but the more I hear this record the more I like it. Granted its usually when Joel is Spotifying in the other room but damn I think her vocals sound tremendous. "Spotifying"... Apple Music pays writers more...
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Post by Johnkenn on May 11, 2018 8:41:06 GMT -6
If you don't love me now...you will never love me again..... No references to back roads, nose rings, grandma's, drinkin' or tailgates needed.... Refreshingly with no twang (personal preference...) This era of music is my all time favorite. And this album in particular is as good as recorded music gets. Great writing, production, performance etc. In these days, songs were shaped and honed for months and sometimes years before they hit the record button. Not all songs were of coarse but some of the greats. It shows in the music because it is timeless. Can someone name me one timeless recording in the last 5 years? I keed...My God, I just can't comprehend that this is what passes for music these days. I get that I am approaching old people status, but I'm trying to find the redeeming qualities of this. Here's why I don't understand it. It's not a song. It has one chord. The vocals sound like shit. I can understand about every third word. (My favorite line is, "Bitch, you can't fuck with me..." OK...I admit, I just picked a spot and that's what it said.) It reflects on our culture...it's like the movie "Idiocracy." The dumber you are, the more you are admired.
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Post by Blackdawg on May 11, 2018 8:53:01 GMT -6
This era of music is my all time favorite. And this album in particular is as good as recorded music gets. Great writing, production, performance etc. In these days, songs were shaped and honed for months and sometimes years before they hit the record button. Not all songs were of coarse but some of the greats. It shows in the music because it is timeless. Can someone name me one timeless recording in the last 5 years? I keed...My God, I just can't comprehend that this is what passes for music these days. I get that I am approaching old people status, but I'm trying to find the redeeming qualities of this. Here's why I don't understand it. It's not a song. It has one chord. The vocals sound like shit. I can understand about every third word. (My favorite line is, "Bitch, you can't fuck with me..." OK...I admit, I just picked a spot and that's what it said.) It reflects on our culture...it's like the movie "Idiocracy." The dumber you are, the more you are admired. Seriously. I find myself think...wow its really happening..hollywood got it right..
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Post by schmalzy on May 11, 2018 9:53:24 GMT -6
I'm curious, who produced "Slow Burn"? Who got writing credit. According to Discogs: Slow Burn Acoustic Guitar, Electric Guitar, Banjo – Todd Lombardo Cello – Carole Rabinowitz Drums, Keyboards – Ian Fitchuk Keyboards, Bass, Backing Vocals – Daniel Tashian Mixed By – Shawn Everett Violin, Viola – David Davidson Written-By – Daniel Tashian, Ian Fitchuk, Kacey Musgraves According to Wikipedia: Musgraves co-wrote all 13 tracks and co-produced the album with Daniel Tashian and Ian Fitchuk. Credits adapted from BMI.[22] No. Title Writer(s) 1. "Slow Burn" Musgraves Ian Fitchuk Daniel Tashian 2. "Lonely Weekend" Musgraves Fitchuk Tashian 3. "Butterflies" Musgraves Natalie Hemby Luke Laird 4. "Oh, What a World" Musgraves Fitchuk Tashian 5. "Mother" Musgraves Fitchuk Tashian 6. "Love Is a Wild Thing" Musgraves Fitchuk Tashian 7. "Space Cowboy" Musgraves Laird Shane McAnally 8. "Happy & Sad" Musgraves Fitchuk Tashian 9. "Velvet Elvis" Musgraves Hemby Luke Dick 10. "Wonder Woman" Musgraves Jesse Frasure Hillary Lindsey Amy Wadge 11. "High Horse" Musgraves Trent Dabbs Tommy English 12. "Golden Hour" Musgraves Fitchuk Tashian 13. "Rainbow" Musgraves Hemby McAnally
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Post by spindrift on May 11, 2018 10:48:51 GMT -6
Mike Judge got it right for sure in Idiocracy. One of my favs
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 11, 2018 11:38:32 GMT -6
Thanks for that schmalzy.
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Post by spindrift on May 11, 2018 12:37:56 GMT -6
Here are shots of the liner from the LP. Wow, there sure are a lot of interesting credits, like: "Engineered for Mix By" and "Editing" Seems like a lot of extra effort goes into these big records. I'm used to one guy recording and mixing it and another guy mastering it. Attachments:
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Post by swurveman on May 11, 2018 13:35:59 GMT -6
This era of music is my all time favorite. And this album in particular is as good as recorded music gets. Great writing, production, performance etc. In these days, songs were shaped and honed for months and sometimes years before they hit the record button. Not all songs were of coarse but some of the greats. It shows in the music because it is timeless. Can someone name me one timeless recording in the last 5 years? I keed...My God, I just can't comprehend that this is what passes for music these days. I get that I am approaching old people status, but I'm trying to find the redeeming qualities of this. Here's why I don't understand it. It's not a song. It has one chord. The vocals sound like shit. I can understand about every third word. (My favorite line is, "Bitch, you can't fuck with me..." OK...I admit, I just picked a spot and that's what it said.) It reflects on our culture...it's like the movie "Idiocracy." The dumber you are, the more you are admired. This type of music would never have taken hold if rich, suburban college-bound kids didn't buy into it also. I think there are two reasons. (a) The attitude in the lyric - and in both poor and rich neighborhoods of our culture- is "I'm gonna get mine. Fuck you". It's more overt in the poor neighborhoods, but if you've ever had an interview in Silicon Valley (I have) you'd know there is the same attitude, only it's blurred a bit by suits, spreadsheets and skyscrapers (b) like all generations, the young kids didn't want to identity with their parents music.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 11, 2018 14:18:13 GMT -6
Here are shots of the liner from the LP. Wow, there sure are a lot of interesting credits, like: "Engineered for Mix By" and "Editing" Seems like a lot of extra effort goes into these big records. I'm used to one guy recording and mixing it and another guy mastering it. Justin Schipper, Dan Dugmore and Russ Pahl. Nice set of steel guys!
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Post by Bob Olhsson on May 11, 2018 14:40:27 GMT -6
It occurs to me that half the modern Country sound today is recycled Neil Young... From the very beginning in 1924, (the WLS National Barn Dance in Chicago) "country" has been an earlier generation's adolescent music with adult lyrics. There have always been constant complaints about each new generation's "modern country."
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Post by Johnkenn on May 11, 2018 16:15:40 GMT -6
It occurs to me that half the modern Country sound today is recycled Neil Young... From the very beginning in 1924, (the WLS National Barn Dance in Chicago) "country" has been an earlier generation's adolescent music with adult lyrics. There have always been constant complaints about each new generation's "modern country." I’m cognizant of that...and even saying his will make me sound like I don’t get it...but I’m not sure the distance between Eddie Arnold to Jim Reeves or George Jones to Alabama is quite the enormous canyon that is say - Alan Jackson to Luke Bryan. Or Diamond Rio to FGL.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 11, 2018 16:44:34 GMT -6
And just to add - I’m not a total hater...hey, I find myself humming FGL tunes. It’s just that there doesn’t seem to be any room in the market for much else.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on May 11, 2018 17:02:51 GMT -6
Popular music made some huge changes.
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Post by ericn on May 11, 2018 17:36:10 GMT -6
If you don't love me now...you will never love me again..... No references to back roads, nose rings, grandma's, drinkin' or tailgates needed.... Refreshingly with no twang (personal preference...) We will never break the chain! Even if Lindsey is gone bring out something from Rumors just isn’t playin fair! That of course coming from a huge Neil Finn fan.
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Post by ericn on May 11, 2018 17:54:53 GMT -6
Popular music made some huge changes. The son of a fairly well known rapper was over a couple of months ago and was sayin “well you know synth bass sounds like crap”. So I just had to through on Yaz Situation and Yello Oh Yeah. Next I hear “well those subs are cheating “ “No subs just the 2 little 8’s in each Quested and 25 watts a ch” My point: modern popular music seams to have decided to throw out most of what we have learned as recordist and gone it’s own way. Oh check out Richard Thompson’s take on Whoops I did it again from his history of popular music and that cover of Taylor Swifts album Ryan Adams did both show the strength of the songwriting.
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Post by spindrift on May 11, 2018 18:41:50 GMT -6
Good question cowboycoalminer. Maybe The War On Drugs' "Lost in the Dream". Ryan Adams has a few, but I'm not sure they were done in the last 5 years. Stapleton's album with "Broken Halos" has the potential to be timeless, but I don't think there are quite enough monster songs on it. Fleetwood Mac's "Rumors" had what, 9 top ten hits? All classics now. I'm not a huge fan, but I've listened to that record twice this year already. Y'now who really stands up to time, Steven Stills, that cat's catalogue sounds better than 99% of today's Alt Country. Just an FYI, not to diminish the joy of hearing such a lovely song, this is basically a Country version of The Verve's "Bittersweet Symphony". Same chords and a huge vibe on that one too. I'm curious, who produced "Slow Burn"? Who got writing credit. This is an excellent list Martin....you and I share musical tastes! Aren't we great?! Seriously though, I've always found musical taste differences to be so fascinating....that's part of the mystery of music, what turns our gears is different depending on our backgrounds, upbringing, music of our youth, experiences we had while listening to certain music. It's magic! PS-I love the "Lost in the Dream" record a lot more than the latest "A Deeper Understanding"
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Post by Johnkenn on May 11, 2018 19:07:10 GMT -6
Oh - Martin - I meant to say...I don’t hear ANY Neil Young in modern country...more Poison with bad rapping.
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Post by ericn on May 11, 2018 21:14:37 GMT -6
Oh - Martin - I meant to say...I don’t hear ANY Neil Young in modern country...more Poison with bad rapping. Bro Country is today’s version of the 80’s hair band with bad spandex.
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Post by ericn on May 11, 2018 21:15:35 GMT -6
Oh - Martin - I meant to say...I don’t hear ANY Neil Young in modern country...more Poison with bad rapping. I would listen to country if I heard more Neil Young influence.
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 11, 2018 21:35:26 GMT -6
You guys are so right, I was referring to the alt country songs I hear on Heartland Radio, so many are Neil Young-ish. Even Ryan Adams who is so often brilliant wears his Neil Young on his sleeve. Try singing Love is a Rose along with this, and you'll see what I mean..
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 11, 2018 21:39:14 GMT -6
Back to Casey Mulgraves.. I was curious about the acoustic guitar part, and I found this. It sounds a lot like the record. I'd guess this is the band on the recording. No autotune here I think:
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Post by ragan on May 11, 2018 23:42:44 GMT -6
I keed...My God, I just can't comprehend that this is what passes for music these days. I get that I am approaching old people status, but I'm trying to find the redeeming qualities of this. Here's why I don't understand it. It's not a song. It has one chord. The vocals sound like shit. I can understand about every third word. (My favorite line is, "Bitch, you can't fuck with me..." OK...I admit, I just picked a spot and that's what it said.) It reflects on our culture...it's like the movie "Idiocracy." The dumber you are, the more you are admired. This type of music would never have taken hold if rich, suburban college-bound kids didn't buy into it also. I think there are two reasons. (a) The attitude in the lyric - and in both poor and rich neighborhoods of our culture- is "I'm gonna get mine. Fuck you". It's more overt in the poor neighborhoods, but if you've ever had an interview in Silicon Valley (I have) you'd know there is the same attitude, only it's blurred a bit by suits, spreadsheets and skyscrapers (b) like all generations, the young kids didn't want to identity with their parents music. More "Last DJ", yes! Criminally underrated record. This track ^^^ ("Money Becomes King") is my fav. "We arrived there early In time to see rehearsal And John came out and lip-sync'd His new lite beer commercial And as the crowd arrived As far as I could see The faces were all different There was no one there like me They sat in golden circles And waiters served them wine And they talked through all the music And to John paid little mind And way up in the nosebleeds We watched him on the screen They'd hung between the billboards So cheaper seats could see Johnny rocked that golden circle And all those VIP's And that music that had freed us Became a tired routine And I saw his face in close-up Trying to give it all he had And sometimes his eyes betrayed him You could see that he was sad And I tried to rock on with him But I slowly became bored Could that man on stage With everything Somehow need some more? There was no use in pretending No magic left to hear All the music gave me Was a craving for lite beer As I walked out of the arena My ears began to ring And money became king" If you haven't, find an evening to watch "Runnin' Down a Dream". Long but well worth it. Really interesting how TP struggled with the business side of the music industry. He put up some legendary (and meaningful) legal fights with his labels. Won most of 'em too. RIP, TP
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Post by ericn on May 12, 2018 7:01:38 GMT -6
You guys are so right, I was referring to the alt country songs I hear on Heartland Radio, so many are Neil Young-ish. Even Ryan Adams who is so often brilliant wears his Neil Young on his sleeve. Try singing Love is a Rose along with this, and you'll see what I mean.. [br Funny enough in this house the Ryan Adams most listened to is Magic with the Cardinals and Gimmie Something Good, just like him better when he rocks.
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