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Post by spindrift on May 6, 2018 19:18:43 GMT -6
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Post by guitfiddler on May 6, 2018 19:22:03 GMT -6
Very Good Songwriting, and yes, very enjoyable to listen to.
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Post by spindrift on May 6, 2018 20:23:37 GMT -6
Johnkenn what do you make of that vocal sound? Is that something like a 251 into a CAPI/API squished with a CL1B? Just spitballin’ here.
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Post by spindrift on May 6, 2018 20:27:55 GMT -6
And why this record isn’t near the top of the country charts is beyond me...
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Post by Johnkenn on May 7, 2018 20:31:02 GMT -6
Johnkenn what do you make of that vocal sound? Is that something like a 251 into a CAPI/API squished with a CL1B? Just spitballin’ here. Sounds like a camp wrote all the music...
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Post by spindrift on May 7, 2018 22:00:40 GMT -6
Johnkenn what do you make of that vocal sound? Is that something like a 251 into a CAPI/API squished with a CL1B? Just spitballin’ here. Sounds like a camp wrote all the music... 😂😂
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Post by yotonic on May 8, 2018 8:16:18 GMT -6
That vocal is so smashed it hurts. Love the guitars.
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Post by yotonic on May 8, 2018 8:25:25 GMT -6
I've been listening to this woman lately. She has a "Stapleton-ish" quality to her voice. Just a great instrument no effects needed.
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Post by spindrift on May 8, 2018 9:13:41 GMT -6
^^^ That was awesome!
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Post by spindrift on May 8, 2018 9:16:17 GMT -6
That vocal is so smashed it hurts. Love the guitars. That smashed sound is what I'm hearing and liking I think. It's a very Nashville sound. Her voice has a natural edge I suspect but it is accentuated in this recording/mix. I might not have made that decision but I'm no Nashville/LA baller either so what do I know
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Post by donr on May 8, 2018 9:29:31 GMT -6
> "Grandma cried when I pierced my nose"
Geez. Pop music.
It's a good recording and mix. By the third minute the loudness was making it sound choked to me, especially after the band comes in. Millenials probably don't know any better.
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Post by yotonic on May 8, 2018 9:47:06 GMT -6
That "hard almost synthesizer" sound in the upper range of the vocal is a sad artifact of pop music, pitch correction, modern conversion, and over use of compressors. It used to be an engineer rode the faders on a vocal part (like Michael Jackson) and the timber and frye of a singer's voice was protected. In this automated, auto corrected, smashed era of production the voice stops sounding like a voice and more like a hard synthetic synth part.
You have to be really careful about using plug-in compressors and certain converters to avoid that from happening. Conversely if you like that whiney sound smash in the box and use an Apogee Symphony or UA2192 converters. (Both of which I sold and will never use on a vocal). Out board 1176 and La2A compressor with a good preamp is the way to track a vocal you don't want going artificial sounding. And you will need to cycle through convertors until you find one that maintains all of the nuance and grit of the human voice. I have a couple secret weapons in that department, and they come from manufacturers who make great analog staging and preamps. And my Neve 1084 take compression on vox like no other preamp I have owned, never gets synthy or pinched sounding.
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Post by matt on May 8, 2018 10:07:38 GMT -6
How does a female (or male!) Country artist not sound formulaic these days? It's a challenge. To my ears both of these undoubtedly talented musicians seem standard-issue. Voices inflect and break at just the right moment; they sing lyrics that are personal but exhibit just the right amount of emotion- happiness/sadness, or anger, or sass, in proper portions.
I have respect for Ashley McBryde- I bow to anyone who has the guts to appear unaccompanied at the Opry, just guitar and voice. But I just wish these artists did not seem so processed by the music machine. Or do the artists effectively process themselves (beautiful wallflower, defiant tough chick, etc, etc), thinking they have to be a certain way to succeed? I suppose that's true across all genres these days. Bummer.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on May 8, 2018 10:28:17 GMT -6
I've been listening to this woman lately. She has a "Stapleton-ish" quality to her voice. Just a great instrument no effects needed. This right here is amazing. What music should be. This is a benchmark performance IMO.
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Post by guitfiddler on May 8, 2018 10:34:12 GMT -6
I've been listening to this woman lately. She has a "Stapleton-ish" quality to her voice. Just a great instrument no effects needed. This right here is amazing. What music should be. This is a benchmark performance IMO. 👍🏻
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Post by yotonic on May 8, 2018 11:49:55 GMT -6
I have her coming to play my venue in the fall. Looking forward to it!
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Post by spindrift on May 8, 2018 12:52:43 GMT -6
> "Grandma cried when I pierced my nose" Geez. Pop music. It's a good recording and mix. By the third minute the loudness was making it sound choked to me, especially after the band comes in. Millenials probably don't know any better. Don, that's my favorite line on the record. It communicates (to me) emotional vulnerability and honesty beyond the fake Instagram lives we can get trapped in. It sets the tone for the whole record...which at least hints at a degree of introspection. I know it's partly schtick, but I like her schtick...a hell of a lot more than beach, margaritas, and pickup truck songs. Never over-estimate the tastes of the American public.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 8, 2018 13:09:33 GMT -6
That "hard almost synthesizer" sound in the upper range of the vocal is a sad artifact of pop music, pitch correction, modern conversion, and over use of compressors. It used to be an engineer rode the faders on a vocal part (like Michael Jackson) and the timber and frye of a singer's voice was protected. In this automated, auto corrected, smashed era of production the voice stops sounding like a voice and more like a hard synthetic synth part. You have to be really careful about using plug-in compressors and certain converters to avoid that from happening. Conversely if you like that whiney sound smash in the box and use an Apogee Symphony or UA2192 converters. (Both of which I sold and will never use on a vocal). Out board 1176 and La2A compressor with a good preamp is the way to track a vocal you don't want going artificial sounding. And you will need to cycle through convertors until you find one that maintains all of the nuance and grit of the human voice. I have a couple secret weapons in that department, and they come from manufacturers who make great analog staging and preamps. You had me until the Apogee comment...I like the other stuff you're saying, but now I'm scared every time I fuck something up and I'm not happy with my recordings, I'm going to look at the Symphony and blame it lol (Because it can't be me)... As far as vocal correction - I find Melodyne is much less intrusive when done right, but I can hear that Autotune buzz on everything. I've actually had someone ask me to put it on just to get that effect. Even too much of Melodyne does it too...and I'm learning how to let go more these days in that regard.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 8, 2018 13:25:20 GMT -6
About Kacey - I actually love those two songs and the production. I agree that she/they could lay off the perfect pitch and it would be even better. That "feeling" at 13 seconds...surprised that got through. Although, who knows - that might not even be a tuning artifact - but it sounds like one to me. But it's all nitpicky - I really like this stuff and I really didn't get all the hype of the first record...like...at all. But this is like modern Fleetwood...like what others have tried but were derivative or whatever. This sounds like something new.
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Post by ragan on May 8, 2018 15:07:14 GMT -6
It’s branded/curated/produced to hell and back but no moreso than any other corporate offering, be it a personality or a beverage. Certainly more interesting to my sensibilities than most country pop-tarts.
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Post by ragan on May 8, 2018 15:12:35 GMT -6
This isn’t meant as a knock on either of the gals in this thread, I just always think of it when pop-branding comes up. Boy do I miss TP.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 8, 2018 19:00:45 GMT -6
Roger Miller’s son
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Post by swurveman on May 9, 2018 9:56:29 GMT -6
...and down the corporate, data driven content chain there is this:
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Post by Johnkenn on May 9, 2018 10:10:56 GMT -6
...and down the corporate, data driven content chain there is this: I know Ralph...nice guy. Didn't watch this video, mind you, but I remember one of his quotes (I'm paraphrasing)..."You should write a song that a woman putting on her makeup in the car while driving to work can sing to..." Man...I just don't know. That's not why I got into this business. At all. But shit - he's probably right. Probably why I don't have any cuts right now.
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Post by drbill on May 9, 2018 11:39:21 GMT -6
If you don't love me now...you will never love me again..... No references to back roads, nose rings, grandma's, drinkin' or tailgates needed.... Refreshingly with no twang (personal preference...)
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