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Post by Johnkenn on May 5, 2019 8:12:13 GMT -6
I just did some testing. All have moderate input settings except the one titled Hammered and the Warm (both of those had the input cranked to the max). The KT was back to the regular Dr. Pepper settings that the first Stam had. They all seem to be doing the same stuff with the leading transient. after looking at your kt76 and my kt76 waves – both with the pepper settings – i would take all these waveforms with a grain of salt. different inputs and outputs already make a difference. attached you can see your kt76 and my kt76 waves overlaid. they don't match exactly. mine shows a big initial transient spike, yours doesn't. we could try, just out of curiosity, to match our inputs/outputs and look at the results. but i think ears are more important than eyes. although i can understand you people and your concerns about the attack beeing slow, as one should and could expect a 1176 recreation to have veeeery fast attack. thumbs.gfycat.com/TameBlaringBarasingha-size_restricted.gif
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 2:24:34 GMT -6
Hey John, I ran your file through my Pro Replicas Rev A with the same settings. I added one file with 12:1 and full Attack/Release. Just to see the limiting more. Looking at the wave form, it also seems to be faster than the Stam in the same settings. I know Robert also uses original NOS FETs for his builds. Not sure these are the ones mentioned by Stam though.
And just for the fun of it, here are some different ratios (4:1, 12:1, 20:1, All Buttons In) with the same IO settings and attack 7/ release 7.
Hope this helps!
Just a few examples. Maybe I'm crazy...and I'm mis-remembering my 1176 experience. Although the UAD 1176 will not allow the same spike through. This was the first vocal I used this on and I remember running into this here. It's right at the beginning of the phrase "I wanna feel you close." The "I" spikes. These examples are though the D Revision, but A has the same thing. When the attack is at 7 (fastest) it will finally clamp down. Maybe I just need to adjust to the attack knob being a little different.
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Post by stam on May 8, 2019 9:38:18 GMT -6
It's not a matter of speed
John will report back soon
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Post by kcatthedog on May 8, 2019 11:48:32 GMT -6
So, there’s fix and our Nashville connection is hooked up !
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Post by MorEQsThanAnswers on May 8, 2019 12:03:06 GMT -6
Damnit. Gonna have to order one of these. Too funny Incredible audio gear gets added to the market and we all scream "Damnit!"
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Post by Quint on May 8, 2019 13:50:10 GMT -6
Damnit. Gonna have to order one of these. Too funny Incredible audio gear gets added to the market and we all scream "Damnit!" Well it's now been a year since I ordered it, so my enthusiasm has somewhat waned.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 8, 2019 14:00:02 GMT -6
Ah it’s dynamics have been compressed by late transients ?
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Post by Johnkenn on May 8, 2019 14:33:32 GMT -6
Too funny Incredible audio gear gets added to the market and we all scream "Damnit!" Well it's now been a year since I ordered it, so my enthusiasm has somewhat waned. Didn’t you get it?
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Post by Quint on May 8, 2019 15:34:55 GMT -6
Well it's now been a year since I ordered it, so my enthusiasm has somewhat waned. Didn’t you get it? Nothing yet. I'm in the second batch. I don't think the first batch have even finished shipping out, so I imagine it's going to be midsummer at the earliest before I actually receive my pair of ADGs.
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Post by maldenfilms on May 8, 2019 15:36:37 GMT -6
It's not a matter of speed John will report back soon Wait, so what happened, John? Was there an issue with your unit?
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Post by Johnkenn on May 8, 2019 16:27:22 GMT -6
If you read the last several pages, there is conversation about the attack being a little slower than other units. I’m waiting on a part to see if that makes it react more like I expect. That being said, I’m kindve nervous about effing up a good thing. I’ve had killer results mixing vocals with this going into the AS V Comp.
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Post by maldenfilms on May 8, 2019 17:08:18 GMT -6
If you read the last several pages, there is conversation about the attack being a little slower than other units. I’m waiting on a part to see if that makes it react more like I expect. That being said, I’m kindve nervous about effing up a good thing. I’ve had killer results mixing vocals with this going into the AS V Comp. AH, okay. I wasn't sure by Josh's post if you had figured out the root of the issue in private yet or not. What's confusing to me is that Josh continues to stand by the fact that the attack times are equivalent to the original hardware (or at least the unit he has). So, if what he's saying is correct, then you should be able to get it to behave in such a way that it catches the transients, right? At its SLOWEST, the attack time should be 800 microseconds from what I understand. Is 0.8ms not fast enough to catch the onset transient of a snare? I feel like this shouldn't be that much of a grey area issue. It either does or doesn't have the same attack time as a proper 1176.
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Post by the1984studios on May 8, 2019 18:01:42 GMT -6
If you read the last several pages, there is conversation about the attack being a little slower than other units. I’m waiting on a part to see if that makes it react more like I expect. That being said, I’m kindve nervous about effing up a good thing. I’ve had killer results mixing vocals with this going into the AS V Comp. I'm sure that's a great sounding vocal compression chain! My 76A into V-Comp is INSANE sounding on Vocals!!!
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Post by stam on May 8, 2019 22:43:12 GMT -6
If you read the last several pages, there is conversation about the attack being a little slower than other units. I’m waiting on a part to see if that makes it react more like I expect. That being said, I’m kindve nervous about effing up a good thing. I’ve had killer results mixing vocals with this going into the AS V Comp. AH, okay. I wasn't sure by Josh's post if you had figured out the root of the issue in private yet or not. What's confusing to me is that Josh continues to stand by the fact that the attack times are equivalent to the original hardware (or at least the unit he has). So, if what he's saying is correct, then you should be able to get it to behave in such a way that it catches the transients, right? At its SLOWEST, the attack time should be 800 microseconds from what I understand. Is 0.8ms not fast enough to catch the onset transient of a snare? I feel like this shouldn't be that much of a grey area issue. It either does or doesn't have the same attack time as a proper 1176. Same attack time as UREI Revision A 100-125 serial numbers. Nobody else have been making this clone. Most A's you see out othere ar AB, nothing wrong about them. You change one resistor and it becomes an AB control circuit amp. Weather you like that better or not will be to see, and don't worry John, you can always change the part back if you like the original better.
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Post by stormymondays on May 9, 2019 0:13:00 GMT -6
So the UREI rev A is defective and it’s published specs have always been wrong? Now that’s funny.
The original manual is still available online, search for it. The people who invented it really knew what they were doing. It was designed with incredibly short attack times for a reason.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 9, 2019 1:09:40 GMT -6
To me this seems a simple fix, it would be good to have a simple mod that has a faster attack time: no need for ongoing debate ?
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Post by stormymondays on May 9, 2019 1:40:56 GMT -6
To me this seems a simple fix, it would be good to have a simple mod that has a faster attack time: no need for ongoing debate ? Actually, no. a HUGE part of what makes an 1176 a 1176 is specifically its superfast and well documented attack time. It doesn't need to have a faster attack time or a slower attack time. The attack needs to be 20 microseconds (fastest) to 800 microseconds (slowest), or then it's simply not an 1176. By the way, it's the same with VU meters. There are no "slow" VU meters. They either meet the specs, or they are not a VU meter. They might have a nice bouncing needle, yes, but that's all. There's a reason that stuff is expensive.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 9, 2019 4:51:00 GMT -6
We share the same view, this was advertised as a very authentic recreation and while I love it’s tone and features, the inconsistency as to whether it conforms to factory attack spec concerns me: it either does or it doesn’t: I want it to.
A major point of the 76 is its attack speed.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 9, 2019 8:27:15 GMT -6
I get the resistors today. I will report back. Assuming I don’t f**** it up. Btw - stam, I should be able to solder this in from the top without yanking out the board right?
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Post by kcatthedog on May 9, 2019 10:07:09 GMT -6
Is it one resister you are placing ?
If you have thin needle nose plyers and grasp the close edge of the resister as you hear it’s throughhole for the pin you should be able to just lift out both legs one at a time, which means the two throughholes will just have done solder residue.
If you snip the legs, won’t be as clean ?
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Post by christopher on May 9, 2019 10:36:41 GMT -6
Since it’s at the first attack on a vocal, I wonder if it’s a detector issue that is possibly frequency related? I do wonder if this was something part of the originals, ..say program material acts fast but vocal high frequencies maybe slip through? So maybe a breath punches through without being compressed? Then I can see studio guys might prefer that for vocals, follow it up with a limiter or clipper would get you this breathy controlled vocal. It’s just a theory that I cant prove lol, so forget this comment if you want.
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Post by 000 on May 9, 2019 11:50:35 GMT -6
2:1 ratio on this thing sounds incredible on a vocal i was recording yesterday. Not audible pumping just smooth thick compression. I’m curious to see what these parts do - because this thing is just soo smooth and classy it almost seems like a waste to use as a “crush” compressor.
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Post by sean on May 9, 2019 15:47:59 GMT -6
I get the resistors today. I will report back. Assuming I don’t f**** it up. Btw - stam, I should be able to solder this in from the top without yanking out the board right? Assuming it’s a double sided circuit board, which I’m sure it is if it has through hole components. Just heat one leg, pull it out, same to the other. If you have a soldier sucker I’d clean the old stuff out and start fresh.
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Post by stam on May 9, 2019 17:17:06 GMT -6
So the UREI rev A is defective and it’s published specs have always been wrong? Now that’s funny. The original manual is still available online, search for it. The people who invented it really knew what they were doing. It was designed with incredibly short attack times for a reason. When did I ever say that? I don't need to search for anything, I have the schematic and a real unit in-front of me. Again, for the fifth time, it has nothing to do with the attack time.
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Post by jeremygillespie on May 10, 2019 5:45:37 GMT -6
So the UREI rev A is defective and it’s published specs have always been wrong? Now that’s funny. The original manual is still available online, search for it. The people who invented it really knew what they were doing. It was designed with incredibly short attack times for a reason. When did I ever say that? I don't need to search for anything, I have the schematic and a real unit in-front of me. Again, for the fifth time, it has nothing to do with the attack time. Could you explain what the resistor change is actually achieving if it’s not doing anything to the attack time? Thanks!
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