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Post by theshea on Feb 10, 2019 10:34:17 GMT -6
that would be very risky and not very clever in my book ... that would be like suicide if it doesn't work out in the end. nah, i think stam is an intelligent guy and doesn't work like that. So theshea from five hours ago was wrong when he said, "yeah, something i've asked myself as well. did they have the finished working prototype last may when offering it first, or did the they need the time/delay to make it work/develope it?"? it was something i asked myself. i didn't answer it. now i think you can't run a business with this strategy. maybe i am wrong.
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Post by jakeharris on Feb 10, 2019 10:37:51 GMT -6
Crowdfunding, where clients don't know they're a crowd, and don't realise they're funding.
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Post by m03 on Feb 10, 2019 10:44:16 GMT -6
We know they have staffed up, are addressing the backlog How do we know that exactly?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 10, 2019 10:51:07 GMT -6
Joshua has been upfront about this. So unless you want to go to Chile and see for yourself personally, I think you'll have to take his word for it. He's posted a few things where you can see people working at Stam Audio.
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Post by jtc111 on Feb 10, 2019 11:12:02 GMT -6
So theshea from five hours ago was wrong when he said, "yeah, something i've asked myself as well. did they have the finished working prototype last may when offering it first, or did the they need the time/delay to make it work/develope it?"? it was something i asked myself. i didn't answer it. now i think you can't run a business with this strategy. maybe i am wrong. I think you may have been more prescient than you gave yourself credit for being.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 10, 2019 12:01:54 GMT -6
We know they have staffed up, are addressing the backlog How do we know that exactly? We have been told that by Joshua multiple times. I believe he has grown from maybe below 10 staff to around 35 plus over the last business year. So, people are welcome to their personal options but either you think we are being lied to or not. I don't think are. So, we have ben honest with Joshua here about our frustration with his business model and he has apparently been reasonably transparent about what he is doing to address some of those conners. I think we would all agree that nobody setting up/running an international manufacturing company with all the supply chain challenges in real time and in rapid growth mode: doubling or trebling your work force in under a year, and trying to engage them in productive work and addressing backlogs, new product development, production of multiple business lines and launch, is a daunting management task. We all know where we have been with Joshua and none of us can change the past. So, back to my main point, Joshua has laid out an aggressive business plan for the next 2-4 quarters, including completely addressing his business back log, launching multiple new lines and continuing to grow his company and address both its internal management issues and heightening his focus on external customer communications and getting them better results issues. While the adg's are certainly late, that fact that he highlights how well ( agilely) the expanding team is now working and that we know anecdotally from comments on FB that many (not all) backlogs are getting addressed, I think bodes well for the future. Personally, if I was Joshua, I would make an itemized list of all outstanding orders and communicate with each of those customers directly, advising them exactly when they will get their order and/or explain what any ongoing challenges are. If their wait has been really long, (approaching a year or more ?), I would offer those customers a special additional offer on top of the 50% on their next order.
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Post by drbill on Feb 10, 2019 13:20:39 GMT -6
Sigh......
I hope you all get your stuff.
Soon.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 10, 2019 13:48:41 GMT -6
This is very much akin to the Ross Martin situation. I never ordered any RM stuff for this reason exactly.
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Post by Ward on Feb 10, 2019 14:11:44 GMT -6
My pair were supposed to ship 30th of January. No shipping notification yet.
Promises made, promises broken. Messages sent, emails sent, no reply.
This does not seem like a very sound business model to me either. I was a fanboy, now I'm losing faith.
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Post by drbill on Feb 10, 2019 14:25:44 GMT -6
How do we know that exactly? I believe he has grown from maybe below 10 staff to around 35 plus. I would think that with a business of 35 employees, they would be able to create at least SEMI-good communication with their buyers who are funding their salaries. I know of plenty of businesses with 1-3 employees who can pull that off. Just saying'.... Priorities always get taken care of. Plenty of new gear being designed.....and plenty of people loosing faith. Those two together don't create a long term successful enterprise. At some point, the threshold is crossed. I hope for all of you waiting on gear that the threshold is far off.... These continued threads are frustrating
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 10, 2019 14:43:35 GMT -6
All valid points, just waiting and seeing what happens next 1-3 months.
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Post by lcr on Feb 10, 2019 15:38:38 GMT -6
I 100% agree Dr. B
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Post by lcr on Feb 10, 2019 16:13:49 GMT -6
Looks like the first one will be shipping next Wednesday! We made it in December after all Stam, So did this happen? ADG shipped in Dec? This statement is confirming that a deadline will be met in the future at the time of posting which is now the past, so was this deadline met?
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Post by reddirt on Feb 10, 2019 16:48:38 GMT -6
I would be interested in more of Josh's product but he's got to get up to date for me to consider it. I am at a loss to understand how after all the opprobrium he has not bunkered down with core designs and finished the orders. Developing one or two new products for most people would be a full time job let alone several complex ones and putting them into production; so I can't entertain any purchases under these questionable if well intentioned conditions.
I also can't see how 50 per cent off won't incur losses at the back end which are going to bite him on the bum as margins would be tiny anyway, so my feeling has to be there'll be a reckoning day some time. Dispassionate observers with no dog in the fight would at a bare minimum, advise caution. I'm sorry if that's harsh - I'd love to be proven wrong.
I wish you well Josh because I believe you must be working your pickle off but deliver as promised first and foremost and be brutally honest to yourself and thus clients as to delivery dates please, not to mention, update the website with its incorrect stock status etc. Cheers, Ross
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Post by jeremygillespie on Feb 10, 2019 18:06:30 GMT -6
I just can’t imagine taking orders for a product before building the prototype. I’d have to actually see a video of the guts and it passing audio next to a real deal vintage unit before ordering anything. The promise of “exact replica” doesn’t pass muster if you haven’t even built it yet...
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Post by jakeharris on Feb 11, 2019 0:46:37 GMT -6
My take: they need the money from pre-orders on 'new' products to pay for the manufacturing of products already sold.
House of cards.
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Post by Ward on Feb 11, 2019 9:47:13 GMT -6
My take: they need the money from pre-orders on 'new' products to pay for the manufacturing of products already sold. House of cards. A pyramid shaped house?
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Post by jtc111 on Feb 11, 2019 10:23:43 GMT -6
My take: they need the money from pre-orders on 'new' products to pay for the manufacturing of products already sold. House of cards. A pyramid shaped house? But what's in the basement?
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Post by Ward on Feb 11, 2019 10:30:04 GMT -6
I hear you, Jim.
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Post by m03 on Feb 11, 2019 11:01:37 GMT -6
How do we know that exactly? We have been told that by Joshua multiple times. I believe he has grown from maybe below 10 staff to around 35 plus over the last business year. So, people are welcome to their personal options but either you think we are being lied to or not. Businesses can be dishonest with you openly but ultimately have things work out in the end, and I don't believe anyone can read the entirety of this very thread and find that they haven't been misled. Anyway... I've seen this posted several times on the Stam Facebook page under their SA-76ADG posts, but curiously Stam never posted this statement here: Given that 1176-inspired designs with toggle-able transformers or circuits have existed for about a decade now (MoFET76, Serpent Splice), what specific aspect of the SA-76ADG do you suppose is being referred to?
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 11, 2019 11:13:32 GMT -6
It having the A, D and G circuit in one box.
@ mo3, no offence, but you are somewhat placing my comment out of context. In response to a question, I was itemizing things we have been told about what Joshua has done to improve the performance of his company. I am very aware that the adg's were promised for last July and that we have been told multiple delivery dates, none of which have been met;yet.
So, as I said, I think for a lot of us the next 1-3 months will be the litmus test to see what actually gets shipped, in terms of back log and if the newly announced gear also ships on planned dates ?
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Post by m03 on Feb 11, 2019 11:18:21 GMT -6
It having the A, D and G circuit in one box. Do you think that Mike Pildis/Serpent Audio believed that having multiple 1176 circuits in one box wouldn't be possible?
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 11, 2019 11:26:25 GMT -6
I just read it an recording gear hyperbole.
Personally, I prefer just the facts, but the real point is one having the opportunity to buy one 76 box with three circuits in it, if you want ?
I personally, am so very very tired of all this and just want my two adg units to ship this month.
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Post by drbill on Feb 11, 2019 11:45:17 GMT -6
But what's in the basement? Hahahaaa!! Great graphic. But I hope not....
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Post by stormymondays on Feb 11, 2019 13:22:19 GMT -6
The Audioscape guy did post at some forum about it. He said that there was way too much circuitry involved in building this and he would never attempt it.
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