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Post by bricejchandler on Apr 4, 2020 10:28:37 GMT -6
My experience on these is I have a pair of the SA1073EQ's and have nothing but good things to say about them preferring them over other Neve clones I've had or used without question. 1 of my units from the first batch came without the phantom power working, but my customer service experience was handled very well as Stam Audio had me send the unit to their tech repair place where it was repaired and shipped back to me at their expense and it works perfectly. While the wait from purchase to arrival is usually longer than projected on Stam Audio Pieces and the length of wait may not be for everyone, the quality of the parts/build for the price is well worth the wait for me and I would order again. see this is what im talking about. little errors here n there, phantom power not working this and that. i lost interest in a brand fast if the reliability factor is missing when you invest in gear. i do understand theyre offering a great product but these slips shouldn't happen, and reading form this board, there people are reporting errors but i also seen them taking care of everything that went wrong. they need to tighten up their production quality. after waiting this long, almost every unit needs to arrive in immaculate condition. i have never encountered such issues when dealing with German built gear (not saying human error cant happen) but i havent seen it. I don't have any Stam gear and don't really see any in my future, not because of quality but because I'm a very small operation and I can't imagine having money tied up for years waiting for something! There are so many great small brands where you don't have to wait 2 years, I'm thinking Audioscape, AML, Hairball but that 's just me. But to be fair to Stam, I've had some stuff that was much more expensive than Stam Gear that arrived DOA at my studio, Sometimes a brand gets a bad batch of components that fail early, or there's a problem with shipping, it can happen to anybody I think...As long as they're quick to get the problem sorted out, it's fine by me.
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Post by woofhead on Apr 4, 2020 11:02:09 GMT -6
on a positive note, i seen the new layout of the 1073eq mk2, looks very nice. What ETA arrival are we looking at both these units. i believe Josh said, 1073eq should be shipping next month or 2?
Where can one see the new layout of the 1073eq mk2? I have 2 on order for a while and am interested to see this Thanks, Mike
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Post by phantom on Apr 4, 2020 11:32:17 GMT -6
My experience on these is I have a pair of the SA1073EQ's and have nothing but good things to say about them preferring them over other Neve clones I've had or used without question. 1 of my units from the first batch came without the phantom power working, but my customer service experience was handled very well as Stam Audio had me send the unit to their tech repair place where it was repaired and shipped back to me at their expense and it works perfectly. While the wait from purchase to arrival is usually longer than projected on Stam Audio Pieces and the length of wait may not be for everyone, the quality of the parts/build for the price is well worth the wait for me and I would order again. see this is what im talking about. little errors here n there, phantom power not working this and that. i lost interest in a brand fast if the reliability factor is missing when you invest in gear. i do understand theyre offering a great product but these slips shouldn't happen, and reading form this board, there people are reporting errors but i also seen them taking care of everything that went wrong. they need to tighten up their production quality. after waiting this long, almost every unit needs to arrive in immaculate condition. i have never encountered such issues when dealing with German built gear (not saying human error cant happen) but i havent seen it. Unfortunately this my experience with Stam gear as well. Sounds good but it always have this little errors.
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Post by mike on Apr 4, 2020 12:35:52 GMT -6
But to be fair to Stam, I've had some stuff that was much more expensive than Stam Gear that arrived DOA at my studio, Sometimes a brand gets a bad batch of components that fail early, or there's a problem with shipping, it can happen to anybody I think...As long as they're quick to get the problem sorted out, it's fine by me. I agree and was one of the points of my experience, is that my small issue was something Stam stood behind and was taken care of quickly. I don't know what more he can do than that. The other 1073EQ I was considering at the time that I thought would be comparable sonic quality was the BAE 1073 EQ which is more than 3 times the cost, but I didn't want to put 6k plus into a pair of those. If I was in the same place now as I was then, I'd make the same choice again without question knowing Stam stood behind my purchase with a warranty and return policy if I needed them, and I was happy to have paid about $1700 for a pair of his 1073EQ's rather than $6,200 for a pair of the BAE's, which allowed me to put the significant savings into additional studio gear and still have a high quality sounding 1073. ---- Again, as everyone understands the trade off is the wait, which for me has been completely worth it.
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 4, 2020 13:04:08 GMT -6
Yeah I ordered a stamchild 660 and have no expectations on getting until 2021 at the earliest. Just how it is. But everyone loves the gear so wait must be worth it. Might get in on the 1073 as well
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Post by reddirt on Apr 4, 2020 17:08:30 GMT -6
FWIW, BAE prices probably reflect the cost of meticulously building a piece of gear with great componentry in the American environment with its attendant wage costs, labour regulations and the necessity to make a reasonable profit commensurate with the cost of living in the US. Talking about this re-opens a hell of a can of worms because ethically if we are not prepared to pay these costs then we should expect our wages to go down to match our desire/ability to pay. I'll stop now ; just bridling a little at the imputation that we may be getting ripped off for an unquestionably quality product. Cheers, Ross
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Post by mike on Apr 4, 2020 17:25:37 GMT -6
FWIW, BAE prices probably reflect the cost of meticulously building a piece of gear with great componentry in the American environment with its attendant wage costs, labour regulations and the necessity to make a reasonable profit commensurate with the cost of living in the US. Talking about this re-opens a hell of a can of worms because ethically if we are not prepared to pay these costs then we should expect our wages to go down to match our desire/ability to pay. I'll stop now ; just bridling a little at the imputation that we may be getting ripped off for an unquestionably quality product. Cheers, Ross
FWIW, My personal POV of BAE or their prices never sees them as a ripoff , but instead sees them always as high quality desirable products that aren't always the best value in my economic budget.
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Post by reddirt on Apr 4, 2020 19:28:55 GMT -6
Nicely put Mike Cheers, Ross
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Post by phantom on Apr 4, 2020 19:29:45 GMT -6
BAE are high quality for sure. But they can be slightly over priced sometimes as well. One thing doesn't change the other. For example, this 1073 preamp justifies the 1 thousand price tag?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2020 19:59:15 GMT -6
FWIW, BAE prices probably reflect the cost of meticulously building a piece of gear with great componentry in the American environment with its attendant wage costs, labour regulations and the necessity to make a reasonable profit commensurate with the cost of living in the US. Talking about this re-opens a hell of a can of worms because ethically if we are not prepared to pay these costs then we should expect our wages to go down to match our desire/ability to pay. I'll stop now ; just bridling a little at the imputation that we may be getting ripped off for an unquestionably quality product. Cheers, Ross there are about 12 or more companies competing using identical parts, workmanship, some US, Europe or China. Now i personally dont feel the need to pay premium when it i can be had for 1/3 of the cost.
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Post by soundintheround on Apr 4, 2020 20:17:31 GMT -6
BAE are high quality for sure. But they can be slightly over priced sometimes as well. One thing doesn't change the other. For example, this 1073 preamp justifies the 1 thousand price tag? Yes. It sounds like you haven’t had to build much DIY yourself. The components, case, power supply, transformers all add up pretty quick. The BAE also looks to require a decent tech to assemble. This is how stuff looked like in the 70’s even down to the PCBs. The STAM (love his stuff) but everything is thrown into a single common PCB to save costs.
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Post by soundintheround on Apr 4, 2020 20:26:06 GMT -6
This isn’t an iPhone. I wouldn’t worry about how cool it looks.
The BAE comes FAR closer (and sometimes if not identical) to the layout and assembly of a real Neve.
Again still love the Stam stuff, but your argument on what it looks like is flawed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 1:30:54 GMT -6
Yes. It sounds like you haven’t had to build much DIY yourself. The components, case, power supply, transformers all add up pretty quick. or this for a $1000.. i know which one ill pick. You’re forgetting to factor in a couple of things: With the Stam you’ll most likely be staring at this picture for the next year(s) and not the actual unit. In comparison to BAE and others you’ll have to lend them your money for an uncertain amount of time. And since you haven’t had the doubtful pleasure of going through a Stam customer journey, you won’t be able to imagine right now how much time and energy you will invest to keep up with what is going on. As you and others have mentioned, there are quality alternatives out there, without all this hassle. But of course: Everybody has to decide for themselves, what they deem to be important. I’m looking forward to hearing your opinion in a year or two. By the way: Where are you located?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 2:13:08 GMT -6
You’re forgetting to factor in a couple of things: With the Stam you’ll most likely be staring at this picture for the next year(s) and not the actual unit. In comparison to BAE and others you’ll have to lend them your money for an uncertain amount of time. And since you haven’t had the doubtful pleasure of going through a Stam customer journey, you won’t be able to imagine right now how much time and energy you will invest to keep up with what is going on. As you and others have mentioned, there are quality alternatives out there, without all this hassle. But of course: Everybody has to decide for themselves, what they deem to be important. I’m looking forward to hearing your opinion in a year or two. By the way: Where are you located? I completely understand what ur saying. It's a valid point on the wait times. I think they made a mistake of having too many products lines way too early. One product at a time would of solved that issue.There needs to have more accurate deadlines. But at the same token, the guy does offer very resonable and affordable pricing unlike others where you have to pay 3x times a much. It works for majority of their customers who don't have big funds available including myself. I mean someone with deep pockets, by any means get what you desire. Thrr will always be a compromise somwherr due to lower cost. From my understanding they buy in bulk and have to wait for all the orders.I honestly don't mind the wait times as long as the price is right but thrr needs to be accurate time line. My concern is over manufacturing production quality I live in Texas, originally from San Fran bayarea.You? Yeah, I get that regarding cost. All I can say is, I own BAE, AML and Don Classics in the Neve department and I like them all for their own thing. I don't perceive them as performing on a different level. Living in the EU, Don Classics and AML is even slightly cheaper priced than Stam if you factor in shipping, taxes and import duties. In case of AML I can even get them from dealers locally who deal with any potiential issues during the first two years at least. This means a lot to me.
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Post by bricejchandler on Apr 5, 2020 2:58:42 GMT -6
You’re forgetting to factor in a couple of things: With the Stam you’ll most likely be staring at this picture for the next year(s) and not the actual unit. In comparison to BAE and others you’ll have to lend them your money for an uncertain amount of time. And since you haven’t had the doubtful pleasure of going through a Stam customer journey, you won’t be able to imagine right now how much time and energy you will invest to keep up with what is going on. As you and others have mentioned, there are quality alternatives out there, without all this hassle. But of course: Everybody has to decide for themselves, what they deem to be important. I’m looking forward to hearing your opinion in a year or two. By the way: Where are you located? I completely understand what ur saying. It's a valid point on the wait times. I think they made a mistake of having too many products lines way too early. One product at a time would of solved that issue.There needs to have more accurate deadlines. But at the same token, the guy does offer very resonable and affordable pricing unlike others where you have to pay 3x times a much. It works for majority of their customers who don't have big funds available including myself. I mean someone with deep pockets, by any means get what you desire. Thrr will always be a compromise somwherr due to lower cost. From my understanding they buy in bulk and have to wait for all the orders.I honestly don't mind the wait times as long as the price is right but thrr needs to be accurate time line. My concern is over manufacturing production quality I live in Texas, originally from San Fran bayarea.You? All that and the fact that the Chilean median income is about 5 times lower than it is in the States. I highly doubt BAE is overcharging. Most brands that have cheap prices either compromise on parts, or are built overseas, most of the times both. The manufacturing of Stam products does seem better and better, some of the early circuits looked like average DIY.
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Post by soundintheround on Apr 5, 2020 9:13:19 GMT -6
or this for a $1000.. i know which one ill pick. You’re forgetting to factor in a couple of things: With the Stam you’ll most likely be staring at this picture for the next year(s) and not the actual unit. In comparison to BAE and others you’ll have to lend them your money for an uncertain amount of time. And since you haven’t had the doubtful pleasure of going through a Stam customer journey, you won’t be able to imagine right now how much time and energy you will invest to keep up with what is going on. As you and others have mentioned, there are quality alternatives out there, without all this hassle. But of course: Everybody has to decide for themselves, what they deem to be important. I’m looking forward to hearing your opinion in a year or two. By the way: Where are you located? I wasn't talking about the sound at all. Just responding to your 'claim' more work and R&D went into the Stam unit, and it looks more 'professional'. If you actually knew anything about this topic, you would realize that Brent Averill (the guy that sold the company, and did all the original R&D/cloning) spent FAR many more years and time working on both the original Neves and cloning them, than Josh. I'm sure Josh would admit this himself. Just trying to get the facts straight and not have this forum turn sour with a bunch of false info and opinions, like others out there. The stam unit very well may sound more identical to a vintage unit (I dont have either so cant say for sure), but that wasn't what I was referring to.
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Post by woofhead on Apr 5, 2020 9:48:32 GMT -6
On gs Josh mentioned that the MK2 will have "3 new really cool features". Do you member gearlust know what they are or could perhaps Josh let us know? Thanks, Mike
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 5, 2020 10:39:55 GMT -6
Quality, price, speed. Pick two.
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Post by soundintheround on Apr 5, 2020 13:04:05 GMT -6
Your killing me man! First off, they aren't even the same product. One is a preamp and EQ, the other is just a preamp.
With that out of the way.....both companies (for each respective product), likely share 95% the same exact schematic between both.
But..... I'm pointing to the fact when you have point-to-point wiring and backplane style configuration like the BAE (and like the vintage one), it takes a decent tech to assemble. Vs the stam style which is just populate a PCB and then hook up wires to it....
If you don't understand this, I think you need to learn a bit more before commenting about it, sounding like you have it all figured out.
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Post by matt@IAA on Apr 5, 2020 13:05:58 GMT -6
No dog in this hunt. But.
No difference in parts between the two that I can tell. One is the mic pre only, one has the EQ (stam’s) which is why there’s “more”.
The BAE is assembled very similarly to an original desk. No idea if that makes a difference in sound or not. I’d lean towards not. Also the BAE has an external power supply, another reason there’s less going on in it.
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Post by soundintheround on Apr 5, 2020 13:08:25 GMT -6
No dog in this hunt. But. No difference in parts between the two that I can tell. One is the mic pre only, one has the EQ (stam’s) which is why there’s “more”. The BAE is assembled very similarly to an original desk. No idea if that makes a difference in sound or not. I’d lean towards not. Also the BAE has an external power supply, another reason there’s less going on in it. Finally a post that makes sense.
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Post by soundintheround on Apr 5, 2020 13:10:27 GMT -6
the gearslutz people are infiltrating!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 13:15:16 GMT -6
No dog in this hunt. But. No difference in parts between the two that I can tell. One is the mic pre only, one has the EQ (stam’s) which is why there’s “more”. The BAE is assembled very similarly to an original desk. No idea if that makes a difference in sound or not. I’d lean towards not. Also the BAE has an external power supply, another reason there’s less going on in it. look man, i dont care if brent averill wore his space suit doing his configuration lol. or Jet lee build it in some sweatshop in CHina. what matters to me is which sounds better and ofcourse the price point. in your own words its not a designing contest. This sounds as if the Stam defacto sounds better. What makes you think this? Have you tried them side by side? Do you have any files to share or can you guide me to the files you refer to? I'd like to hear them.
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Post by stam on Apr 5, 2020 13:16:35 GMT -6
Your killing me man! First off, they aren't even the same product. One is a preamp and EQ, the other is just a preamp. With that out of the way.....both companies (for each respective product), likely share 95% the same exact schematic between both. But..... I'm pointing to the fact when you have point-to-point wiring and backplane style configuration like the BAE (and like the vintage one), it takes a decent tech to assemble. Vs the stam style which is just populate a PCB and then hook up wires to it.... If you don't understand this, I think you need to learn a bit more before commenting about it, sounding like you have it all figured out. You are correct, we share the same schematic, it's very simple We also share the same capacitors, Vishay, Tantalum and Polystyrene We also share the same input transformers and output transformer (If you choose our Carnhill version), If you choose the 1073MPA with Carnhills then they sound identical, if you choose with Sowter 1777 they sound different. It takes a decent tech to solder and wire a PCB as much as it takes to do something point to point, it's just more time consuming No, it does not have any effect on the sound and neither does the wire. By the way, there is a PCB on the BAE.
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Post by soundintheround on Apr 5, 2020 13:18:35 GMT -6
Your killing me man! First off, they aren't even the same product. One is a preamp and EQ, the other is just a preamp. With that out of the way.....both companies (for each respective product), likely share 95% the same exact schematic between both. But..... I'm pointing to the fact when you have point-to-point wiring and backplane style configuration like the BAE (and like the vintage one), it takes a decent tech to assemble. Vs the stam style which is just populate a PCB and then hook up wires to it.... If you don't understand this, I think you need to learn a bit more before commenting about it, sounding like you have it all figured out. You are correct, we share the same schematic, it's very simple We also share the same capacitors, Vishay, Tantalum and Polystyrene We also share the same input transformers and output transformer (If you choose our Carnhill version), If you choose the 1073MPA with Carnhills then they sound identical, if you choose with Sowter 1777 they sound different. It takes a decent tech to solder and wire a PCB as much as it takes to do something point to point, it's just more time consuming No, it does not have any effect on the sound and neither does the wire. By the way, there is a PCB on the BAE. Agreed. Takes more time. Josh send me one of your Neves so I can check it out in further detail
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