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Post by matt@IAA on Jul 6, 2019 13:42:27 GMT -6
mulmany I don’t think so, because it’s a level drop by the EQ circuit itself. It’s internal to the module. Anything fed by it would be affected- bus, direct out, whatever. I mean it’s possible I just never noticed. I’m not at home right now but now I kinda want to go look at the EQ circuit in detail. If I recall the low and high bands are passive, so I wonder if it just drops more than the makeup provides. I’d be really interested for a Neve smart type to explain the rationale for that. is the level drop to provide added headroom? Also, when you engage the EQ the tolerance IIRC is +- 1dB, so you can have a frequency response change of 2dB cheers Wiz Figured it out. The passive EQ design is terminated by a 5k1 resistor to set the characteristic impedance of the circuit. There is a 4ish dB drop in the EQ. However, when you switch the EQ out, you insert a 2k7 resistor into the spot where the EQ was, as well as a parallel 39k to ground. These are R58 and R72 on the original schematic. They makes a voltage divider with the 5k1, so the level stays the same. There should be no net drop in level with the EQ in and out, but there *is* a 4 dB drop in level across the EQ.
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Post by stam on Jul 6, 2019 19:43:22 GMT -6
You can do a little soldering and change that drop to 1dB , it's not perceptible
Email me if you want me to send you the steps
I am shipping all units like that now and have for a while per request
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Post by kilroyrock on Jul 10, 2019 20:58:09 GMT -6
I got my unit back from Stams guy Jeff and ran a vocal through it. Between that and the SA47 I've never had so much fun re-singing a whole song. I deleted all other takes I did. The vocal takes sat easily in the mix, and played great with the 76/2A chain. I'm really happy now.
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Post by stam on Jul 11, 2019 9:54:38 GMT -6
I got my unit back from Stams guy Jeff and ran a vocal through it. Between that and the SA47 I've never had so much fun re-singing a whole song. I deleted all other takes I did. The vocal takes sat easily in the mix, and played great with the 76/2A chain. I'm really happy now. That is wonderful news My apologies for the troubles Josh
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Post by kilroyrock on Jul 11, 2019 10:24:02 GMT -6
I got my unit back from Stams guy Jeff and ran a vocal through it. Between that and the SA47 I've never had so much fun re-singing a whole song. I deleted all other takes I did. The vocal takes sat easily in the mix, and played great with the 76/2A chain. I'm really happy now. That is wonderful news My apologies for the troubles Josh This is the true cost of the discount, in my opinion. We are opting to be the first in the world to have a new device, with that comes a cost of patience and being empirical QA for the company. We save a little, but it's our duty to be patient and provide valuable feedback for further operational efficiency. There are very few products in the world that come out with version 1, and are the "perfect" device. If that weren't true, there would be no innovation within a marketplace. Josh, I appreciate your timely response in getting down to the best available solutions with your customers when there is something to be done about it. Feel free to send me any other products you'd like me to QA
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Post by forgotteng on Jul 11, 2019 10:27:51 GMT -6
I just got my unit back today. Super fast turn around. Less than a week. Thanks Josh for excellent service. Using it in a session this afternoon.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 11, 2019 13:23:50 GMT -6
Just used mine for vocals today on an ep. definitely a buzz when inserting the eq...but Not anything that ruined takes. I’m gonna open it today and try and turn the transformer.
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Post by indiehouse on Jul 11, 2019 16:45:59 GMT -6
I sent my pair in to Jeff, Stam’s repair tech. He turned it around in a day. The fix sounds easy enough, I just didn’t have the time. It was quicker for me to send them in. Fixed yesterday, in hand today.
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Post by Ward on Jul 11, 2019 18:14:03 GMT -6
I sent my pair in to Jeff, Stam’s repair tech. He turned it around in a day. The fix sounds easy enough, I just didn’t have the time. It was quicker for me to send them in. Fixed yesterday, in hand today. That's great service! much of a cost?
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Post by indiehouse on Jul 11, 2019 19:41:33 GMT -6
I sent my pair in to Jeff, Stam’s repair tech. He turned it around in a day. The fix sounds easy enough, I just didn’t have the time. It was quicker for me to send them in. Fixed yesterday, in hand today. That's great service! much of a cost? None. Just the time it took to pack and ship.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 12:17:55 GMT -6
stams audio and sound quality is excellent and is kicking some butt with competition, but one constructive criticism is, the slight quality issues starting to worry me a bit cause us customers dont want to deal with issues on a new product. they need to do a strong "quality control" check before any shipment. these things shouldn't happen AT ALL specially after the long waits. i prefer the sound of STam OVER Heritage due to Sowter, but heritage quality control is on point with very minor complaints. on a positive note, very happy with STam bringing to the market.
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Post by indiehouse on Jul 12, 2019 12:54:22 GMT -6
stams audio and sound quality is excellent and is kicking some butt with competition, but one constructive criticism is, the slight quality issues starting to worry me a bit cause us customers dont want to deal with issues on a new product. they need to do a strong "quality control" check before any shipment. these things shouldn't happen AT ALL specially after the long waits. i prefer the sound of STam OVER Heritage due to Sowter, but heritage quality control is on point with very minor complaints. on a positive note, very happy with STam bringing to the market. Shit happens. I don’t think it was very many units. No biggie. I’m betting the percentage compared to all stam units ever shipped is pretty low. Forums seem to amplify everything making it a bigger deal than it seems.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 12, 2019 12:57:22 GMT -6
I had issues with the first Heritage 1073 I had.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 13:57:54 GMT -6
stams audio and sound quality is excellent and is kicking some butt with competition, but one constructive criticism is, the slight quality issues starting to worry me a bit cause us customers dont want to deal with issues on a new product. they need to do a strong "quality control" check before any shipment. these things shouldn't happen AT ALL specially after the long waits. i prefer the sound of STam OVER Heritage due to Sowter, but heritage quality control is on point with very minor complaints. on a positive note, very happy with STam bringing to the market. Shit happens. I don’t think it was very many units. No biggie. I’m betting the percentage compared to all stam units ever shipped is pretty low. Forums seem to amplify everything making it a bigger deal than it seems. very true, shit happens. i read somewhere, that joshua stated, it can happen during shipping, so they taking extra precaution to double up on the packaging so its good, they doing that. yea i seen or dont understand constant bashing on gearslutz, i dont know whats the issue, these units are remarkable for the price point. waits can be bit long, i dont worry cause you still get quality.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 13:59:01 GMT -6
I had issues with the first Heritage 1073 I had. oh is that right? i guess it can happen to any of the equipment. btw how do you like heritage sound in comparison to stam. i heard audio samples separately online but never them heard it back to back in a shootout.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 12, 2019 20:42:09 GMT -6
I had issues with the first Heritage 1073 I had. oh is that right? i guess it can happen to any of the equipment. btw how do you like heritage sound in comparison to stam. i heard audio samples separately online but never them heard it back to back in a shootout. I’m just going by memory, but I think the Stam is much less bright. It reminds me of the bae - but I also thought - at the time - the bae was kind of flat. Looking back, I’m sure it sounded fine. I think the Sowter is a huge piece of the puzzle for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 21:18:04 GMT -6
can someone help me answer this. how does stam sa73 preamp sound vs 1073eq (preamp only)? i read in some places that the EQ version sounds better, even bypassed cause its closer to original topology, since its still running through the circuitry.... is it true or just a bunch of horse-shit? im no expert on this would like to hear from experienced engineers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 22:32:16 GMT -6
I was really debating posting about this, since I feel uncomfortable about outright criticism of another builder's product execution (though I don't make any rack gear for sale, so in this field I am just another customer). I looked inside my units as well, to see if I could find the cause of an issue I am having with my midrange control (switching frequencies also drags the boost/cut knob with it, which is not great). While I was in there, I decided to take a closer look at the circuit and parts used. I unfortunately found that, besides the transformers and, I think, the inductors and switches, the list of parts described on stam's site does not closely match what I recieved at all. In fact, it matches the list of parts that are specifically described as what should NOT be used in the unit. This is pretty upsetting to me, honestly, because I specifically ordered the unit in large part because of the described parts list. I will say, however, that the 1073MPA I have DOES match this description of the active parts (it doesn't have carbon comp resistors, either, but that doesn't particularly concern me in this voltage+current range). So, I'm actually curious to put them up head to head to see if it actually makes any difference to the sound. I should clarify point by point why I made some changes in your best interest: 3) They were unobtainable and a large batch I bought had the wrong readings, unusable and I determined they were probably counterfeit. These ones worked like a charm. 4) We ended up using metalfilm capacitors instead of Ohmite carbon resistors because it sounded better to my ears (Allen Bradley NOS should be removed from that list). Again, better for our clients. 5) Same as 3 6) Those are clearly Philips (Vishay Sprague) capacitors on the audio path. The others don't pass audio. Feel free to return the unit if you feel cheated, I will cover the return shipping as I understand I made some changes for it to sound better and failed to update the site, the new site we will have 24-7 access to. Please email me if you wish to return it Josh Joshua, be careful, i believe you shouldn't give all your design schematics to the consumers, people/competitors can steal ur ideas. doesnt matter whats used as its high quality parts and sounds good. giving basic info out for marketing purposes should be enough. whats important is that it sound close to original. suggestions is one thing but dissecting each and every component is insanity!
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Post by stam on Jul 13, 2019 13:52:12 GMT -6
Thanks for the advice
My competitors use the same parts, same as any Neve or copy
The difference is in
A) The transformers B) The capacitors
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 13, 2019 14:55:46 GMT -6
No dog in this race: am trying to remember, if anyone I know, who has one of these, doesn’t think it sounds great ? I think the answer is no ?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 17, 2019 8:39:26 GMT -6
Just sent mine off
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 17, 2019 9:14:21 GMT -6
What happened with shipping costs?
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Post by Blackdawg on Jul 17, 2019 9:38:45 GMT -6
anyone ever able to do a comparison with AML ez1073 yet?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 17, 2019 10:00:07 GMT -6
He initially asked me to pay both ways...I wrote back that it wasn’t a big deal, but it was my understanding it should be covered. Then he wrote back and said it was covered.
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Post by brenta on Jul 17, 2019 14:43:22 GMT -6
I had issues with the first Heritage 1073 I had. oh is that right? i guess it can happen to any of the equipment. btw how do you like heritage sound in comparison to stam. i heard audio samples separately online but never them heard it back to back in a shootout. I had issues with my Heritage Elite 1073 as well. The first batch all had loose tension HPF knobs because they had the wrong ones delivered, but they were in a race to get them out at the same time as Warm’s 1073 so they just shipped them anyway. My DI either died or was always dead. I tried contacting Heritage several times over a period of a couple months and never got a response. Upon posting about that on a forum, the distributor said I should contact them, but it doesn’t say that anything about that on the Heritage website. I’ve shot out the Stam mkii with Sowters against BAE and Heritage and Warm. I probably still have the clips somewhere. The Heritage and BAE have a similar tone but the BAE has more detail and life to it. The Stam is darker and smoother with more low mids. I’ve kept the Stam and BAE after owning all of those.
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