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Post by Ward on Oct 28, 2018 11:30:53 GMT -6
Really want to hear this mic. Listen to John's samples, and I'd say you just did! I'd like to hear it about 12-18" out from the mouth but boy howdy, that sure is awesome!!
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 28, 2018 11:34:19 GMT -6
I’ll go do it. That was about 5-7 inches away. Great proximity with this too.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 28, 2018 11:42:51 GMT -6
Ishould I get rid of those old sound files? I think this new version blows it away - and I don’t want someone coming in and only checking out the first post.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 28, 2018 12:07:45 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 28, 2018 12:21:35 GMT -6
Here's an Acoustic Guitar sample. 10' ish off 12th fret in beginning strumming. Got a little closer for the picking part and then mic was closer to soundhole on the following 4 bars of so of strumming and then on like the 9th fret in the last 4 bars of strumming. I'm also doing all of this right in front of my computer screen, so it's not even in an optimal position... TF08 Acoustic - drive.google.com/open?id=1z4RA_Fdz9eP480QndZC130hzlzMmQwu4
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Post by ericn on Oct 28, 2018 13:49:47 GMT -6
Ishould I get rid of those old sound files? I think this new version blows it away - and I don’t want someone coming in and only checking out the first post. Nahshows proximity effect.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 28, 2018 14:13:02 GMT -6
Ishould I get rid of those old sound files? I think this new version blows it away - and I don’t want someone coming in and only checking out the first post. Nahshows proximity effect. Well, the proximity of the first mic. Not this one
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Post by ragan on Oct 28, 2018 14:49:31 GMT -6
Ishould I get rid of those old sound files? I think this new version blows it away - and I don’t want someone coming in and only checking out the first post. Nahshows proximity effect. He means from the other mic, at the top of the thread. From like a year ago.
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Post by ericn on Oct 28, 2018 15:03:30 GMT -6
Nahshows proximity effect. He means from the other mic, at the top of the thread. From like a year ago. Yeah I missed that
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Post by Ward on Oct 28, 2018 17:44:01 GMT -6
Now that was very revealing, thank you! Easy to make a sale with a demo like that.
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Post by Ward on Oct 28, 2018 17:45:28 GMT -6
Here's an Acoustic Guitar sample. 10' ish off 12th fret in beginning strumming. Got a little closer for the picking part and then mic was closer to soundhole on the following 4 bars of so of strumming and then on like the 9th fret in the last 4 bars of strumming. I'm also doing all of this right in front of my computer screen, so it's not even in an optimal position... TF08 Acoustic - drive.google.com/open?id=1z4RA_Fdz9eP480QndZC130hzlzMmQwu4It's not a KM84, but it is very very usable!! Thanks again.
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Post by hadaja on Oct 28, 2018 23:33:59 GMT -6
I like this mic. I cant see if its transformer equipped or transformerless from the reviews and write up. I am guessing from the pic of the housing is not really big enough for a transformer but Mark is pretty well known for his own transformers so i am womderimg if its a little one in there?
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Post by donr on Oct 29, 2018 2:00:13 GMT -6
Sounds great. Sounds like John.
Great job Mark.
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Post by markfouxman on Oct 29, 2018 17:59:35 GMT -6
I like this mic. I cant see if its transformer equipped or transformerless from the reviews and write up. I am guessing from the pic of the housing is not really big enough for a transformer but Mark is pretty well known for his own transformers so i am womderimg if its a little one in there? This version is transformerless. We make only high end transformers, so for this price point we just would not be able to include transformer into the circuit. While it might look like the body is not very large, the inside layout has been designed so that it can accommodate a full sized transformer, should we one day decide to offer such version... Best, M
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 29, 2018 18:25:55 GMT -6
You ever thinking about a tube mic with transformer?
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Post by markfouxman on Oct 29, 2018 18:46:22 GMT -6
You ever thinking about a tube mic with transformer? Sure we did! The main questions are: 1) What the market is asking for and if it can take very expensive model (as any US made tube mic inevitably would be), and 2) It is not as much topology, but all about implementation. IOW, a tube mic can be made to sound like a solid state mic, and vice versa, solid state one can be made to sound like a tube--all depends on design... Best, M
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Post by Ward on Oct 31, 2018 12:04:44 GMT -6
You ever thinking about a tube mic with transformer? Sure we did! The main questions are: 1) What the market is asking for and if it can take very expensive model (as any US made tube mic inevitably would be), and 2) It is not as much topology, but all about implementation. IOW, a tube mic can be made to sound like a solid state mic, and vice versa, solid state one can be made to sound like a tube--all depends on design... Best, M Hey Mark, Oddly, I've never heard even the finest transister mic have that certain esoteric quality, that hifi sheen, the close real feeling in tonality, that a quality tube mic has. And you can't change PNP NPN FET80 FET100 etc in a solid state mic like you can change a tube in a floating-electron microphone! I would love another tube transformer equipped LDC. Thank you! And if anything like the VL37s I bought off you, it will just crush the competition!! Best regards Ward
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Post by markfouxman on Nov 2, 2018 0:00:35 GMT -6
Hey Mark, Oddly, I've never heard even the finest transister mic have that certain esoteric quality, that hifi sheen, the close real feeling in tonality, that a quality tube mic has. And you can't change PNP NPN FET80 FET100 etc in a solid state mic like you can change a tube in a floating-electron microphone! Hi Ward, One of the reasons is off top of my head I cannot remember one single solid state mic with a nice, full sized transformer (say, like BV8)... As they say, sound is in iron--even with iconic mics the transformer change can be crucial. Good example is SM204/23--Siemens version of AKG C12, which considered the best sounding C12 version ever made. Instead of T14/1 Haufe it uses a bigger sized transformer (made by either Henry Radio, or Rohde and Schwarz). Best, M
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Post by Ward on Nov 2, 2018 6:19:06 GMT -6
Hey Mark, Oddly, I've never heard even the finest transister mic have that certain esoteric quality, that hifi sheen, the close real feeling in tonality, that a quality tube mic has. And you can't change PNP NPN FET80 FET100 etc in a solid state mic like you can change a tube in a floating-electron microphone! Hi Ward, One of the reasons is off top of my head I cannot remember one single solid state mic with a nice, full sized transformer (say, like BV8)... As they say, sound is in iron--even with iconic mics the transformer change can be crucial. Good example is SM204/23--Siemens version of AKG C12, which considered the best sounding C12 version ever made. Instead of T14/1 Haufe it uses a bigger sized transformer (made by either Henry Radio, or Rohde and Schwarz). Best, M and finding a Siemens C12 is nearly impossible!!
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Post by EmRR on Nov 28, 2018 23:45:04 GMT -6
I had a test today with a client I’d just finished a second record with.
We used the Samar MF65 on her voice for the first record, on the second record just finished, the winner was a 414-BULS in cardioid, over a U67, a UMT70-S, the MF65, a U47 clone with a Thiersh Blue capsule, and a MJE-K47H head on an Oktava MK012 body. The UMT70-S was runner up. The 414 was best for her in the way it handled some airy phlegm/nasal qualities, all the other condensers making it worse, and the MF65 lacking some treble qualities she liked. The 414 also had a good low mid thickening quality which made her sound a bit larger than the others. All of which leads to today…..
We did a pass of acoustic guitar, a vocal overdub, then the song again with both parts delivered simultaneously. The previous 414 was up along with the TF08, and I also had KM131 and MKH105 SDC omni's in there for contrast.
She liked the TF08 best of the lot for both guitar and vocal, and it handled the problem frequencies of her voice at least as well if not better than the 414. The TF08 sounded more open than the 414 which has a veiled/cloudy quality in comparison. Worked at the same distance, it has less proximity effect than the 414 so sounds thinner in an A/B, but I feel it easily wins for all qualities if the proximity effect was matched by working it closer. So now, for her voice at least, the TF08 has beat 6 other mics.
Doubtful I'd ever use a 414 for a solo acoustic guitar capture, so that's not entirely fair. The TF08 and KM131 were the winners on solo guitar, and it'd be a matter of taste and context which you picked. Also not fair I'm talking about 2 mics that not too many people have any experience with. And now 3: the MKH105 might win on a very softly played nylon string guitar, purely due to it's inherent treble boost, though the TF08 and KM131 both take EQ very well. All convey slightly different qualities of the instrument, and I hesitate to call one a clear winner within the vacuum of a comparison test. The TF08 is very open and realistic sounding, while the Neumann conveys realism with more of a mid-centric focus at the expense of some apparent top and bottom. I'd not hesitate to use it for this job.
The TF08 seems both thinner and more open than any of the others at the same working distance, suggesting proximity effect differences, bass differences for cardioid versus omni, and possibly also some treble boost not present in the 414 and KM131. If there is treble boost, it's extremely smooth and even sounding, nothing remotely harsh about it. It really has that 'open window' quality in regards to clarity and realism, and it really is the cusp between 'open' and 'boosted' which can be hard to discern specifically, with open sometimes seeming brighter, and vice versa.
I hope to report more soon.
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Post by the other mark williams on Nov 29, 2018 0:51:50 GMT -6
Thanks for all that, Doug. Grateful to read so much detail.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 29, 2018 21:33:17 GMT -6
I’m continually amazed by the quality of this mic. It’s pretty damn close to being identical to my Upton.
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Post by ericn on Nov 29, 2018 23:10:38 GMT -6
I’m continually amazed by the quality of this mic. It’s pretty damn close to being identical to my Upton. Now that’s high praise!
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Post by chessparov on Dec 4, 2018 2:38:19 GMT -6
Wow! I love the way this microphone sounds . So far so great. Are you guys going to be at NAMM/Anaheim?
BTW funny Doug should bring up the 414 B-ULS. I was thinking of buying a buddy's B-ULS, and recently found out he gifted it to his daughter for her pro VO work. I always liked their kind of tone, but really like the "openess" of this TF08. Chris
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Post by Ward on Dec 4, 2018 7:49:56 GMT -6
Yeah, that's tough. Mark made me a Blumlein mic years ago with a center body hole I can drop a DPA omni into for ambisonic steering or other tricks, works pretty well. That's fascinating!
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