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Post by stormymondays on Jan 24, 2018 9:28:31 GMT -6
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Post by Ward on Jan 25, 2018 7:54:38 GMT -6
So, a modular channel strip as a desktop unit/micro console? Curious!!
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Post by tasteliketape on Jan 25, 2018 8:15:06 GMT -6
But they say there trying to keep the price under 2000$ and that’s without modules . Love the idea but damn pricey
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Post by johneppstein on Jan 25, 2018 9:13:56 GMT -6
I dunno - it looks pretty useless to me - not enough channels to mix a 3 piece string band with!
Very trendy though.
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Post by m03 on Jan 25, 2018 10:51:55 GMT -6
But they say there trying to keep the price under 2000$ and that’s without modules . Love the idea but damn pricey That price seems sort of reasonable for what it is. A quality 3-slot enclosure would be in the ~$400 range, and the similar-in-concept (desktop pre with fader) Aurora Audio Stinger is $1600.
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Post by johneppstein on Jan 25, 2018 13:08:29 GMT -6
But they say there trying to keep the price under 2000$ and that’s without modules . Love the idea but damn pricey That price seems sort of reasonable for what it is. A quality 3-slot enclosure would be in the ~$400 range, and the similar-in-concept (desktop pre with fader) Aurora Audio Stinger is $1600. I just don't get one fader boxes. They seem somewhat pointless to me. The way I look at it, the whole point of using linear faders is the ability to easily see the relationships between channels and use that as a tool to make quick, accurate adjustments on the fly, as well as the ability to easily change the levels of several channels while maintaining their relationbship. A one fader box seems to me to be a sales gimmick aimed at "kids" (of all ages) who don't really mix on hardware. ("Look here kiddies - it's got a REAL FADER!" Isn't that KEWL?") Granted, Tree Audio is several cuts above the level of most companies that commonly engage is such marketing hype, but still...
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Post by matt@IAA on Jan 25, 2018 14:10:49 GMT -6
Depending on how it’s implemented a fader can be a legitimate gain staging tool.
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Post by EmRR on Jan 25, 2018 14:39:59 GMT -6
It's certainly cute. I can't imagine a use for it personally.
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Post by stormymondays on Jan 25, 2018 16:24:05 GMT -6
Riding a fader "to tape" springs to mind. For those of us that don't have a console, that is!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 13:18:29 GMT -6
I like the fact that companies are thinking above and beyond just a power supply. Lindell now do a "feed switch" to mix modules, this is taking it a bit further. Maybe soon one with more faders will come out. All we'll need as home musicians is one of these and a couple of Chromas, maybe a splice, a capi or so and boom.....
Thinking outside the LunchboX tm
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Post by johneppstein on Jan 27, 2018 1:18:09 GMT -6
Depending on how it’s implemented a fader can be a legitimate gain staging tool. There's no reason for it to be linear if it's simply being used for gain staging - and originally they weren't. The first boards used rotary faders and they worked just fine for that limited purpose. It's actually much easier and far more reliable to implement rotary faders - they don't have this huge semi-open slot for crap to fall into. It's far easier and more cost-effective to design a reliable fader with rotary contacts.
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Post by johneppstein on Jan 27, 2018 1:22:07 GMT -6
Riding a fader "to tape" springs to mind. For those of us that don't have a console, that is! Really only useful if you have a bunch of them so you can have several under the fingers of each hand. With only one you're just as well off with a rotary fader with a big knob that occupies the functionality of your whole hand.
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Post by johneppstein on Jan 27, 2018 1:24:44 GMT -6
I like the fact that companies are thinking above and beyond just a power supply. Lindell now do a "feed switch" to mix modules, this is taking it a bit further. Maybe soon one with more faders will come out. All we'll need as home musicians is one of these and a couple of Chromas, maybe a splice, a capi or so and boom..... Thinking outside the LunchboX tmThat's called a modular console. API has made 500 format modular consoles for about a half a century. It's where the format originated. You can get a mainframe and populate as needed. Really, you guys need to join the 20th century!
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Post by matt@IAA on Jan 27, 2018 11:38:58 GMT -6
Depending on how it’s implemented a fader can be a legitimate gain staging tool. There's no reason for it to be linear if it's simply being used for gain staging - and originally they weren't. The first boards used rotary faders and they worked just fine for that limited purpose. It's actually much easier and far more reliable to implement rotary faders - they don't have this huge semi-open slot for crap to fall into. It's far easier and more cost-effective to design a reliable fader with rotary contacts. Yeah I didn’t realize it had a big output knob and a fader. I didn’t even notice the fader on the left when I looked at it. Not sure what the use is for that...?
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Post by johneppstein on Jan 27, 2018 13:11:47 GMT -6
There's no reason for it to be linear if it's simply being used for gain staging - and originally they weren't. The first boards used rotary faders and they worked just fine for that limited purpose. It's actually much easier and far more reliable to implement rotary faders - they don't have this huge semi-open slot for crap to fall into. It's far easier and more cost-effective to design a reliable fader with rotary contacts. Yeah I didn’t realize it had a big output knob and a fader. I didn’t even notice the fader on the left when I looked at it. Not sure what the use is for that...? Sales.
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Post by pope on Jan 27, 2018 16:35:58 GMT -6
When you want to "ride" the fader during tracking, a potentiometer (with a big knob) is a much more controllable solution than using a fader.
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Post by johneppstein on Jan 27, 2018 17:05:40 GMT -6
When you want to "ride" the fader during tracking, a potentiometer (with a big knob) is a much more controllable solution than using a fader. Not even close, especially if you're tracking more than one thing, at which point rotaries start getting clumsy and imprecise. You can't effectively adjust, say, 5 or more channels of a drum kit simultaneously using rotaries. If you only do one thing at a time rotaries are more cost effective. I'm getting the feeling (from comments like the above) that a lot of people who don't understand ther utility of multiple linear faders on a proper console have never actually had the opportunity to work with real linear faders, just the toys you get on "prosumer" mixers which are just cheap linear pots.
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Post by pope on Jan 27, 2018 17:11:53 GMT -6
I'm describing a situation where only one fader is being used during tracking and I insist. Your hand can control little movements much more accurate with a pot. At least that's my personal experience.
I've spent years working on pro consoles.
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Post by ericn on Jan 29, 2018 9:04:14 GMT -6
When you want to "ride" the fader during tracking, a potentiometer (with a big knob) is a much more controllable solution than using a fader. Not even close, especially if you're tracking more than one thing, at which point rotaries start getting clumsy and imprecise. You can't effectively adjust, say, 5 or more channels of a drum kit simultaneously using rotaries. If you only do one thing at a time rotaries are more cost effective. I'm getting the feeling (from comments like the above) that a lot of people who don't understand ther utility of multiple linear faders on a proper console have never actually had the opportunity to work with real linear faders, just the toys you get on "prosumer" mixers which are just cheap linear pots. John he's talking single fader on a box like this thing that is designed for somebody in their bedroom, and he's right a single pot with a big ass knob will track and repeat better than any fader! There is always a trade-off and with faders it's acurracey and repeatability, hell you said it yourself earlier 😁 He's actually agreeing with you my friend!
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Post by johneppstein on Jan 29, 2018 10:22:54 GMT -6
I'm describing a situation where only one fader is being used during tracking and I insist. Your hand can control little movements much more accurate with a pot. At least that's my personal experience. I've spent years working on pro consoles. Oh, OK. I'm trying to think of a situation where I'd want to be doing fine adjustments during tracking. Seems to me that in most cases the adjustment would lag the event a bit. Maybe not. Maybe I'm thinking too much, too early in the morning. I still don't get single fader boxes. Maybe I should try to get back to sleep...
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Post by matt@IAA on Jan 29, 2018 10:41:08 GMT -6
Especially with this box. If you have a fader, what’s the huge output knob doing?
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Post by johneppstein on Jan 29, 2018 14:06:53 GMT -6
Especially with this box. If you have a fader, what’s the huge output knob doing? Duplication of function, I guess. It gives you a "choice". "Choices " are all the rage these days, y'know? Maybe they should add an input for an expression pedal as well?
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Post by pope on Jan 29, 2018 16:30:29 GMT -6
Maybe they should add an input for an expression pedal as well? [/quote]
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Post by m03 on Jan 29, 2018 17:01:00 GMT -6
Especially with this box. If you have a fader, what’s the huge output knob doing? From the image posted in the original post:
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Post by matt@IAA on Jan 29, 2018 17:27:55 GMT -6
If they’re trying to keep the price down there’s one way to save some money right there.
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