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Post by mrholmes on Jan 22, 2018 5:55:01 GMT -6
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Post by matt@IAA on Jan 22, 2018 8:29:35 GMT -6
Same people oppose this as supported Net Neutrality. I'm confused, do we want a free and open internet or not?  |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jan 22, 2018 8:50:22 GMT -6
We deserve to get paid for the "content" we create. The "free and open" internet is no different than eliminating trespassing laws and making the act of putting a lock on our homes illegal. The U.S. internet monopolies have framed their arguments against private property very cleverly.
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Post by matt@IAA on Jan 22, 2018 9:39:19 GMT -6
Oh I completely agree. I just enjoy the doublespeak.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 10:22:04 GMT -6
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Post by aremos on Jan 22, 2018 12:37:51 GMT -6
Ambiguous. And the term "net neutrality" also ambiguous.
Let's be careful with how much government involvement we want.
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Post by mrholmes on Jan 22, 2018 13:56:19 GMT -6
Ambiguous. And the term "net neutrality" also ambiguous. Let's be careful with how much government involvement we want. If we want cash from our work in the digital domain we need some kind of regulation, a new deal. Otherwise everything stays like it is. Thats a fact. Tell me how you will get a new deal without your government? Google, Facebock etc. they laugh about composeres rigths.... I disagree big time they will never make a new deal, if they are not forced to do it. The old laws are not made for the internet age. |
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Post by donr on Jan 22, 2018 14:32:42 GMT -6
Yes, content creators have to be recompensed enough that creative output can be sustained. Things are changing so fast it's almost impossible to anticipate a response and regulation to the wild info age.
It'll be interesting to see how the EU regs work out. A model to emulate, or avoid.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jan 22, 2018 16:10:32 GMT -6
The internet is currently like Somalia. We need police and the ability to hold people accountable. We just don't need corruption.
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Post by mrholmes on Jan 23, 2018 2:54:26 GMT -6
The internet is currently like Somalia. We need police and the ability to hold people accountable. We just don't need corruption. Thats a good picture. And I agree on the idea with internet police. They are still discussing in Brüssel but something needs to happen. That regulation can work shows the new anti hatespeach law here in Deutschland. Facebock and all the others start to clean up otherwise they have to pay millions. It shows something can be done if there is political will to do it. |
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Post by aremos on Jan 23, 2018 8:33:13 GMT -6
What is "hatespeach"? And even if it's "hate speech", who/what determines what is "hate"? And where does freedom of speech fall in here?
And how far can a government determine what falls under the heading of hate? And can it be ammended later on to include "hate" against certain government policies.
Again, we have to be careful with how much government involvement/control we're treading on.
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Post by ericn on Jan 23, 2018 8:52:47 GMT -6
We deserve to get paid for the "content" we create. The "free and open" internet is no different than eliminating trespassing laws and making the act of putting a lock on our homes illegal. The U.S. internet monopolies have framed their arguments against private property very cleverly. Except when it comes to their patents, their intellectual property is somehow more important! |
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Post by ericn on Jan 23, 2018 8:58:57 GMT -6
What is "hatespeach"? And even if it's "hate speech", who/what determines what is "hate"? And where does freedom of speech fall in here? And how far can a government determine what falls under the heading of hate? And can it be ammended later on to include "hate" against certain government policies. Again, we have to be careful with how much government involvement/control we're treading on. I Hate Hate hate hate hate hate you ? 😎 In all seriousness some guy invented an algorithm that probably is supposed to be able to key on certain phrases and tell what is meant to be hateful or hurt, problem is the true evil haters simply adopt new code words till we will be sensored for " Warm 1176 used" then we won't be able to use the net for anything but watching porn! |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jan 23, 2018 9:00:09 GMT -6
How 'bout dat...
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Post by matt on Jan 23, 2018 9:17:57 GMT -6
To paraphrase Potter Stewart:
"I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within the shorthand description "hate speech", and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it"
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Post by matt@IAA on Jan 23, 2018 12:59:20 GMT -6
That works when everyone has a pretty similar opinion. But these days what draws the hate speech flag is sometimes as simple as "I don't like what you're saying."
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Post by mrholmes on Jan 23, 2018 14:14:17 GMT -6
What is "hatespeach"? And even if it's "hate speech", who/what determines what is "hate"? And where does freedom of speech fall in here? And how far can a government determine what falls under the heading of hate? And can it be ammended later on to include "hate" against certain government policies. Again, we have to be careful with how much government involvement/control we're treading on. Sorry for the wrong word ... LOL Did I say I like this hate speech law? Just for the record: I think its the most stupid law ever made by my G. becasue now I cant see anymore on FB where the Nazi-Shitheads are located. I did say - it shows that regulation for creative right holders could work too. I have the opinion that the western world G. have to do something about the missuse of creative rights in the internet. Its a big ecnomic damage for all western countries. |
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Post by m03 on Jan 23, 2018 14:15:27 GMT -6
From the article:
This is effectively an aid bill for large, established businesses. Small startups wont have access to these technologies and will be forced out of the market.
Also, small web forums and Wikis would be crushed. Imagine if this very forum was required to run all posts through a content filter that referenced established written works for instances of copyright infringement.
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Post by matt on Jan 23, 2018 14:46:35 GMT -6
Google translate does an occasionally inaccurate but very readable translation. I think the main points of the debate over upload filtering are preserved. Thanks for the link! |
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Post by mrholmes on Jan 24, 2018 7:03:32 GMT -6
Google translate does an occasionally inaccurate but very readable translation. I think the main points of the debate over upload filtering are preserved. Thanks for the link! True they still discuss the best compromise. I just wanted to let all know that someone at least tries to discuss a soloution for one problem. There is the no politics rule on this board. Best is if we stop it by now. |
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Post by donr on Jan 24, 2018 9:30:07 GMT -6
It's not political, it's philosophical. How do you impose regulation and content filtering on internet sites without disadvantaging small content creators and startups? Not even considering free expression issues. Youtube just changed their monetization ad policy for user channels, making it much harder to reach a threshold where you begin to monetize your views. Part of the reason given was to punish 'bad actors.' Yeah, and every small niche content creator. Not like the money was significant anyway unless your channel got bazillion views, but..
Big businesses in general tolerate onerous government regulation because they can afford the compliance costs whereas a small competitor and startups can't.
I'm curious to see how EU's effort works or doesn't. As an American, I'm happy to let the EU have a whack at it.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jan 24, 2018 15:49:34 GMT -6
Give small content creators and startups the right to demand the blocking of access to sites offering illegal copies of what they create. The way it is now, ONLY large corporations can profit from the internet.
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Post by johneppstein on Jan 27, 2018 1:58:25 GMT -6
It's not political, it's philosophical. How do you impose regulation and content filtering on internet sites without disadvantaging small content creators and startups? Not even considering free expression issues. Youtube just changed their monetization ad policy for user channels, making it much harder to reach a threshold where you begin to monetize your views. Part of the reason given was to punish 'bad actors.' Yeah, and every small niche content creator. Not like the money was significant anyway unless your channel got bazillion views, but.. Big businesses in general tolerate onerous government regulation because they can afford the compliance costs whereas a small competitor and startups can't. I'm curious to see how EU's effort works or doesn't. As an American, I'm happy to let the EU have a whack at it. Actually I'd really like the USA to have taken the lead on this. We're a much bigger market and, as I understand it, the EU countries laws are written in a way so that in at least some cases they don't need to pay royalties to US writers and artists in cases where US law is not compliant with theirs. |
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Post by johneppstein on Jan 27, 2018 2:03:44 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Jan 29, 2018 9:35:54 GMT -6
Give small content creators and startups the right to demand the blocking of access to sites offering illegal copies of what they create. The way it is now, ONLY large corporations can profit from the internet. I'll Ad and do it in a way that they won't go broke paying lawyers! |
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