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Post by Ward on Jan 30, 2018 8:13:44 GMT -6
I like the 170, & 89, a lot but feel The 87 has always had this "nasal" quality to It. You are describing the "GACK". We all hate the GACK on its own, but in the mix, the GACK makes it work. Without the GACK, it isn't a U87. I like the 170, & 89, a lot but feel The 87 has always had this "nasal" quality to It. Interesting. I've heard times when it's magic. I guess I can see that though. Love my 170s but they can be a little too sparkly sometimes. Every mic has it's downfalls depending on whats in front of it. The U89 is the perfect blend between the TLM170 and U87. The 'Gack' is gone, plenty of sparkle but not hyped and perhaps the most beautiful sounding mic since the U67. It is no Neumann's "poor cousin". It is magic on many tenors and sopranos. U89 is the natural successor to the U67 insomuch as the U87 is the natural successor to the U47. weirdly speaking...
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 30, 2018 8:28:06 GMT -6
You're completely right Vincent, it was as you say. One of the issues with vintage mics is it's difficult to accurately compare anything because of the variables time has introduced. The 67 you tried could be different enough to account for our differing experiences. Of course, it could just be our voices pair better with different mics.
This is one reason I really like when new mics like the Redd and Neumann U67 are produced, you can make a truer comparison. My friend just bout a Lewitt mic for a little under $700. I'd take it over a an AKG 414, I think, but then there were a dozen versions of the 414, so I'd need to find one that's considered a benchmark and is available to make a fair comparison.
It's complicated, for sure.
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Post by adamjbrass on Jan 30, 2018 9:20:39 GMT -6
looking forward to this one! Who's buying!?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 30, 2018 11:10:57 GMT -6
frontendaudio dot com have a 15% off today, use the code SAVE15NOW and you can pre order for just under 6 Grand!! cheers Wiz (no I didn't order one) Thanks wiz. That pushed me over the edge. March seems like a far way off now. Wish you guys would have checked with me...although, at 15%, you guys should have ordered. lol.
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Post by joseph on Jan 30, 2018 11:21:56 GMT -6
I saw that a couple days ago. If I'm being honest, it seriously tempted me for a minute. But then I came to my senses and realized that it's still six thousand dollars. I have no business owning a $6K mic. I'd buy the REDD way before that. Also, I have that MK67. And if the people who say the MK67 sounds just like a U67, then that makes even less sense to me. I mean, am I right? (Seriously, someone please validate my decision to not buy this mic!) I can totally see that. I never considered it myself but can see how someone would. Neumann claims its not just temporary either. So it is a regular product again. So if you are dying for one the road I am sure you can get one. Spend that money on a bunch of other things. You can get a bunch of mics for that money. Some really nice ones too. Cool, good to know. I'd like to get one of these eventually. Maybe next year or the year after. Other dream purchases would be Bricasti (maybe the cheaper one when it comes out) or that new Waldorf Quantum. Also aren't U89s and TLM170s and even TLM67s used a lot for opera and lieder/song recordings these days, along with Schoeps, U87s and M49s?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 30, 2018 12:03:53 GMT -6
I saw that a couple days ago. If I'm being honest, it seriously tempted me for a minute. But then I came to my senses and realized that it's still six thousand dollars. I have no business owning a $6K mic. I'd buy the REDD way before that. Also, I have that MK67. And if the people who say the MK67 sounds just like a U67, then that makes even less sense to me. I mean, am I right? (Seriously, someone please validate my decision to not buy this mic!) Neumann claims its not just temporary either. So it is a regular product again. Where did you see that? I was under the impression this would be a limited run.
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Post by Mister Chase on Jan 30, 2018 13:23:01 GMT -6
Neumann claims its not just temporary either. So it is a regular product again. Where did you see that? I was under the impression this would be a limited run. Prepare to download in your pants. "Now it is in reissue and it is not limited as in normal product again"
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Post by c0rtland on Jan 30, 2018 13:36:26 GMT -6
Where did you see that? I was under the impression this would be a limited run. Prepare to download in your pants. "Now it is in reissue and it is not limited as in normal product again" such good news.
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Post by Mister Chase on Jan 30, 2018 13:38:45 GMT -6
Prepare to download in your pants. "Now it is in reissue and it is not limited as in normal product again" such good news. I mean, why wouldn't they? Sure it's a PITA, but they are charging PITA prices. I say let it run for good. People are really coming back around strong to these old mics the more time goes by.
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Post by drbill on Jan 30, 2018 13:46:59 GMT -6
I heard from a reliable source that one of the premier mic modders / builders says that after looking it and the PS over, it is not the same as a vintage 67. I suppose only time will tell. I look forward to hearing some great vintage 67's against the reissue.
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Post by c0rtland on Jan 30, 2018 13:51:28 GMT -6
Seriously.
This mic in particular seemed to elude the clone market. Flea apparently got a few of them (47, m49) acceptably close, bock (251)... bock will probably be the 'best' 67 clone. I will go out on a limb and say a lot of people will say they like the bock more. there hasn't been a runaway 67 clone yet to speak of though. Ok...the max mod came close.
I also see the Neumann being available for 5-6 on the used market as time goes on.
Game over.
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Post by c0rtland on Jan 30, 2018 13:57:24 GMT -6
I heard from a reliable source that one of the premier mic modders / builders says that after looking it and the PS over, it is not the same as a vintage 67. I suppose only time will tell. I look forward to hearing some great vintage 67's against the reissue. if they didn't get the psu right I'm sure someone will figure out a mod for it and make a chunk of change. I put my money on Neumann getting it right sonically. I think a lot rests on them getting it right. If they f this up I don't know if they will ever recover from the negative resonse they will receive. They have not seemed too well loved lately to say the least. However, I stand behind the m149 and fet47. Not that my opinion means much. Lol 😂
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Post by Mister Chase on Jan 30, 2018 14:10:25 GMT -6
I heard from a reliable source that one of the premier mic modders / builders says that after looking it and the PS over, it is not the same as a vintage 67. I suppose only time will tell. I look forward to hearing some great vintage 67's against the reissue. Well, that's just reality. You can't get the same parts and the parts that make up the parts anymore. But I would be willing to say that it will be as close to the vintage 67 sound as anything will ever get. It might indistinguishable in a blind test. Maybe not. We will wait and see. Someone will compare. I eagerly await this. Apparently the PSU needed modding for safety concerns. While different, we can't be sure yet if the differences will equate to things the human ear can hear. And they claim the new PSU is totally compatible with the old u67s.
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Post by drbill on Jan 30, 2018 14:12:32 GMT -6
Yeah, it was suggested that the mic guru mentioned do a "mod" for the new U67 which would include swapping out an internal part(s) and making a period correct PS. Don't know if they will do this or not, but that would no doubt make the "$7k" mic a "$9k" mic. LOL
That said, as mentioned, perhaps it's not impossible for Neumann to get it to sound the same with different parts. Again, I don't think we'll really know how close it is for another year or so. After early adopters get past the initial buyers love and get on to making records with them. I hope for the best!! Vintage prices are getting even more stupid. M269's are hitting U47 prices now. Last one I saw was $16k. That's just flat out stupid money for a mic that will no doubt need servicing sooner rather than later.
IMO, at this point, it's a collectors trust fund market for the vintage stuff. But if Neumann actually pulled it off, I'll applaud them big time!!! But.....I'll remain skeptical until I get to hear the reissues for myself. I'd love for Capitol to get 4-6 and drop them in indiscriminately with their vintage models. That would tell the tale. They have 16+ very good condition originals.
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Post by c0rtland on Jan 30, 2018 14:17:24 GMT -6
I'm sure m269c's will just keep going up.
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Post by Mister Chase on Jan 30, 2018 14:18:18 GMT -6
Yeah, it was suggested that the person in question do a "mod" for the new U67 which would include swapping out an internal part and making a period correct PS. Don't know if they will do this or not, but that would no doubt make the "$7k" mic a "$9k" mic. LOL That said, as mentioned, perhaps it's not impossible for Neumann to get it to sound the same with different parts. Again, I don't think we'll really know how close it is for another year or so. After early adopters get past the initial buyers love and get on to making records with them. I hope for the best!! Vintage prices are getting even more stupid. M269's are hitting U47 prices now. Last one I saw was $16k. That's just flat out stupid money for a mic that will no doubt need servicing sooner than later. IMO, at this point, it's a collectors trust fund market for the vintage stuff. Totally agree on all points. Maybe if I pick up some more work I'll get one on layaway and rent a 67 to compare. That's crazy talk, honestly. I bet it'll be the same great mic for all intents and purposes. Their reissue fet 47 is more fet 47 than anything else out there, isn't it? Anyways, more 67s out there is a good thing. Let's get these things making records again.
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Post by Mister Chase on Jan 30, 2018 14:18:35 GMT -6
I'm sure m269c's will just keep going up. That damn ac701...
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Post by drbill on Jan 30, 2018 14:22:49 GMT -6
Yeah, it was suggested that the person in question do a "mod" for the new U67 which would include swapping out an internal part and making a period correct PS. Don't know if they will do this or not, but that would no doubt make the "$7k" mic a "$9k" mic. LOL That said, as mentioned, perhaps it's not impossible for Neumann to get it to sound the same with different parts. Again, I don't think we'll really know how close it is for another year or so. After early adopters get past the initial buyers love and get on to making records with them. I hope for the best!! Vintage prices are getting even more stupid. M269's are hitting U47 prices now. Last one I saw was $16k. That's just flat out stupid money for a mic that will no doubt need servicing sooner than later. IMO, at this point, it's a collectors trust fund market for the vintage stuff. Totally agree on all points. Maybe if I pick up some more work I'll get one on layaway and rent a 67 to compare. That's crazy talk, honestly. I bet it'll be the same great mic for all intents and purposes. Their reissue fet 47 is more fet 47 than anything else out there, isn't it? Anyways, more 67s out there is a good thing. Let's get these things making records again. The problem with comparing to vintage U67's - especially if you have only ONE to compare to is that they are quite often modded or in poor condition. That alone makes comparisons especially difficult. That's why I'd love to see Capitol get at least a pair of the new ones. They have 16+ EXCELLENT non=modded and well maintained originals that I'd love to hear them up against. IMO, the FET 47 is an exponentially easier project to pull off than a U67. The 67 is one of the only mics that cloners have not nailed. (IMO) Not that they haven't gotten CLOSE.....
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Post by drbill on Jan 30, 2018 14:25:33 GMT -6
I'm sure m269c's will just keep going up. That damn ac701... Yeah. Indeed. But from what I hear, there are still PLENTY out there. They are being held by speculators. Releasing only just a few at a time. I'm glad that I got my KM53's just in the nick of time. One had just had an AC701k put in it, so I'm feeling pretty good about those holding out for quite a long time. Lovely mics that have that magic that the 701 imparts in them.
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Post by Mister Chase on Jan 30, 2018 14:33:53 GMT -6
Totally agree on all points. Maybe if I pick up some more work I'll get one on layaway and rent a 67 to compare. That's crazy talk, honestly. I bet it'll be the same great mic for all intents and purposes. Their reissue fet 47 is more fet 47 than anything else out there, isn't it? Anyways, more 67s out there is a good thing. Let's get these things making records again. The problem with comparing to vintage U67's - especially if you have only ONE to compare to is that they are quite often modded or in poor condition. That alone makes comparisons especially difficult. That's why I'd love to see Capitol get at least a pair of the new ones. They have 16+ EXCELLENT non=modded and well maintained originals that I'd love to hear them up against. IMO, the FET 47 is an exponentially easier project to pull off than a U67. The 67 is one of the only mics that cloners have not nailed. (IMO) Not that they haven't gotten CLOSE..... Exactly. It would have to be minty well maintained originals. Sure, the FET 47 is way easier, but if it's that easy, why haven't the cloners gotten it exact? To my ears on the a/b tests, only the Neumann does the Neumann. I think if anyone can do it, it's the company that A) Made the mic originally and therefore has access to the history and documentation that no one else does and B) is a big enough company to have the money to really go the extra mile Just my thoughts...
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Post by Mister Chase on Jan 30, 2018 14:35:29 GMT -6
Yeah. Indeed. But from what I hear, there are still PLENTY out there. They are being held by speculators. Releasing only just a few at a time. I'm glad that I got my KM53's just in the nick of time. One had just had an AC701k put in it, so I'm feeling pretty good about those holding out for quite a long time. Lovely mics that have that magic that the 701 imparts in them. If that's anything like the km54 then they are crazy gorgeous. Is it weird that their tube SDCs had more detail and openness than the km84?
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Post by drbill on Jan 30, 2018 14:39:44 GMT -6
Yeah. Indeed. But from what I hear, there are still PLENTY out there. They are being held by speculators. Releasing only just a few at a time. I'm glad that I got my KM53's just in the nick of time. One had just had an AC701k put in it, so I'm feeling pretty good about those holding out for quite a long time. Lovely mics that have that magic that the 701 imparts in them. If that's anything like the km54 then they are crazy gorgeous. Is it weird that their tube SDCs had more detail and openness than the km84? I don't know if it's "weird" but yeah, they make KM84's sound extremely veiled in comparison. VERY detailed mics. I like em as well or better than KM54's because you can get in so close without the proximity.
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Post by ericn on Jan 30, 2018 15:26:52 GMT -6
PSU had to be different, to meet modern regulatory requirements, that's just a fact of life!
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Post by drbill on Jan 30, 2018 15:32:27 GMT -6
True, but some might say the PS is one of the three top most important aspects of a mic's sound.
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Post by Mister Chase on Jan 30, 2018 15:52:39 GMT -6
If that's anything like the km54 then they are crazy gorgeous. Is it weird that their tube SDCs had more detail and openness than the km84? I don't know if it's "weird" but yeah, they make KM84's sound extremely veiled in comparison. VERY detailed mics. I like em as well or better than KM54's because you can get in so close without the proximity. I love the sounds I've heard from the 53 54s. Very different to the km84. Gorgeous sound.
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