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Post by mrholmes on Jan 8, 2018 20:30:09 GMT -6
Just to tell another story I had profoessional acoustic designers too, but in the end doing it wrong - all bymyself - turned out to be the right way for this room. When I showed them my meassurments they did not belived it, they came back and measuerd and where very surprissed by the simple approach from the 70s "make it dead if nothing else works right". I made it dead and bang the low end and the rest was ø 200 ms. It always depends on the room. Textbook right can be wrong in realty. And there never can be too much base trappping in small places.
With the undertstanding that conventional bass trapping needs thickness to be effective at low frequencies. Typical absorptive traps need to be a minimum of 2' deep and 4' is needed to really go low. That makes them difficult to implement properly in small spaces. I personally dislike a dead sounding room. You wind up having to jump through a lot of hoops (I'm too old and fat for that) to compensate for lost ambience with artificial reverbs, etc. Whenever I'm forced to relocate, the first thing I do is walk around clapping my hands and listening. If a room doesn't sound at least reasonably right I won't rent there. You talk tracking I talk monitoring....!!! |
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Post by johneppstein on Jan 9, 2018 13:32:11 GMT -6
With the undertstanding that conventional bass trapping needs thickness to be effective at low frequencies. Typical absorptive traps need to be a minimum of 2' deep and 4' is needed to really go low. That makes them difficult to implement properly in small spaces. I personally dislike a dead sounding room. You wind up having to jump through a lot of hoops (I'm too old and fat for that) to compensate for lost ambience with artificial reverbs, etc. Whenever I'm forced to relocate, the first thing I do is walk around clapping my hands and listening. If a room doesn't sound at least reasonably right I won't rent there. You talk tracking I talk monitoring....!!! I talk both - acoustics is acoustics. Clap is less effective in the control room, but still useful, especially for flutter echos and similar problems. |
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Post by mrholmes on Jan 9, 2018 19:01:57 GMT -6
You talk tracking I talk monitoring....!!! I talk both - acoustics is acoustics. Clap is less effective in the control room, but still useful, especially for flutter echos and similar problems. John. Sorry I have to say this now becasue its all the time the same pattern with you. You always try to pull a difffrent real live expereince in a negative light. I never heard you saying .... hej I am glad it worked out for you. I thought all the nej sayers are located here in Germany. I was wrong. |
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Post by ericn on Jan 10, 2018 9:15:10 GMT -6
I talk both - acoustics is acoustics. Clap is less effective in the control room, but still useful, especially for flutter echos and similar problems. John. Sorry I have to say this now becasue its all the time the same pattern with you. You always try to pull a difffrent real live expereince in a negative light. I never heard you saying .... hej I am glad it worked out for you. I thought all the nej sayers are located here in Germany. I was wrong. Yeah John can come across that way BUT as in this case as much as it pains me to admit this he's right! Emotions and intent are often very hard to convey over the Internet . I'll admit often on first reading on want to strangle JE but when I step back and reread, when he first showed up here I thought who is this grumpy old Audio guy, then I talked to some friends and realized this guy has in fact been around the audio block a time or 2. In fact a couple of people said " think San Fran's version of you Eric" Made me rethink my own approach here, but then I realized he means well and isn't trying to be an SOB, just trying to save some from the mistakes and traps we fell into when we were young and less experienced! |
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Post by johneppstein on Jan 10, 2018 12:39:31 GMT -6
I talk both - acoustics is acoustics. Clap is less effective in the control room, but still useful, especially for flutter echos and similar problems. John. Sorry I have to say this now becasue its all the time the same pattern with you. You always try to pull a difffrent real live expereince in a negative light. I never heard you saying .... hej I am glad it worked out for you. I thought all the nej sayers are located here in Germany. I was wrong. Plaese explain to me in exactly whyat way did I say anything at all negative in this thread? All I did in the last two posts was mention my procedure when looking for a space to rent - what's negative about that? That is germane to the subject because it bears on observations involving slanted wall panels. (It should be noted that this is functionally different than non-parallel walls as employed in the design of some studios.) Then you made a crack about how you were concerned with mixing and I was with tracking - which is not true on my end. We do both at my place. I answered "acoustics is acoustics." What's wrong with that? I continued that the clap technique is more useful in larger spaces but still effective is smaller rooms, like a control room. This based entirely on experience, in particular experience with slanted walls/ceilings. In my initial post I suggested a more useful means of treatment that is commonly employed in commercial studios worldwide and is equally effective in smaller spaces. What's negative about that? Please explain to me how attempting to convey knowledge is "negative"? It seems to me that the only one being negative here is you - and it's entirely based on personality, not anything said on the subject. Please cut it out - this isn't Gearslutz. |
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